Truckers for Trump!
♦️MAGA 2024♦️
shareYeah! All 10 of them. I hope they all lose their jobs.
sharewhy do you hate americans?
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Dump + Truck = Trump
NYers are in full panic exodus today. Racing to the borders for provisions. The corrupt Democrat party poked the wrong bear.
I will stop working for Trump and send him all my savings.., idiot MAGA zombies!
shareFound the libtard who enjoys inflation
shareThe entire world is experiencing inflation. The U.S. has the LOWEST rate of inflation compared to other countries due to explicit actions and major legislation done and facilitated by President Biden.
But you go right ahead being intellectually dishonest.
Those other countries are irrelevant.
shareGosh you're dumb. Other countries are relevant because it displays that the inflation that we're currently experiencing is a global phenomenon with multiple causes and no easy solutions or ways to mitigate it.
shareThose countries are irrelevant because they are not the USA.
we're currently experiencing is a global phenomenon
And yet, we didn't have that phenomenon when Trump was in office.
Would you like a drawing or diagram so you can "connect the dots"? LMAO share
What I'm not understanding is this makes it look like Trump is broke when he's not even close?? After the $360 Million staggering fine which will be appealed in the U.S Supreme Court and the $83 Million extorted from Carroll over something she consented to 35 years ago no less, he's still a Billionaire.. His Net Worth in 2024 is $2.1 Billion for Heaven's sake, so don't set up that Go Fund Me page just yet
shareAha! So now you finally see the grift!?
shareI mean, he definitely doesn't need a Go fund me page for Christ sakes, No.. The Dude definitely has $$$$ carefully stashed overseas in offshore accounts and not under his name either to ensure they can't get to it.. Musk is probably the same way as most Billionaires, even Oprah I'm sure.. But I also appreciate wholeheartedly the truck drivers taking a stand against this staggering fine for a whole lot of nothing other than trying to break the man down and people see this and they're taking a stand against NYC..
shareHe broke laws and now has to pay. Just like you or me.
shareBut $360 Million?? Seriously?? You don't have to like the guy, but admit that's a tad bit high??
shareits a corporate fine , they have to be big or companies just write them off as an operating expense and carry on doing whatever it was for.
If one guy owns the whole deal it sounds like a personal fine , but in this case its "Trump corp" being fined , i assume.
To put this into perspective: O.J Simpson lost a Civil suit after his trial in 1994 for allegedly murdering his ex-wife & boyfriend with a butcher knife and even O.J didn't have to pay a sum of $$$$$ like Trump is being forced to??
shareNot one victim in this sham. Try again.
shareUntrue Einstein, sounds like you ONLY listen to Trump
You need to learn how to READ!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/16/judge-engoron-ruling-trump-ny-civil-fraud-trial/
Yes, provide a site protected by a paywall. I wonder why?
shareSo? A victim is not required. Why do you think it matters? You ever read the law? Of course you didn't. You just seem to think that everyone is stupid enough to believe the crap you say.
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/executive-law/exc-sect-63/
The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions.
The word victim does not appear in that section of the law. Why are you so fixated on that BS? share
You cited legal codes which contain only pertinent info while often leaving out implied info. For example, from the same website here's murder in the second degree:
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/penal-law/pen-sect-125-25/
Similarly, the word victim does not appear in the section of the law. Surely you must agree that a murder requires a victim? LIkewise an act of fruad must have a victim and so the New York case is in fact a sham:
Financial fraud
In the National Crime Victimization Survey's Supplemental Fraud Survey, financial fraud is defined as acts that “intentionally and knowingly deceive the victim by misrepresenting, concealing, or omitting facts about promised goods, services, or other benefits and consequences that are nonexistent, unnecessary, never intended to be provided, or deliberately distorted for the purpose of monetary gain."
https://bjs.ojp.gov/taxonomy/term/financial-fraud#:~:text=In%20the%20National%20Crime%20Victimization,that%20are%20nonexistent%2C%20unnecessary%2C%20never
What part of NY law says that there must be a victim for fraud to occur? The cited law makes it clear that a victim is not required.
Trump was tried for a civil violation, not a criminal violation or a federal law violation. As far as I know, no other state requires that a victim be identified to be tried for the civil violation of business fraud.
I never heard of this "no victim" nonsense until people leaped to the defense of Trump. Is Trump the only person committing business fraud that is worthy of your defense?
Is Trump the only person committing business fraud that is worthy of your defense?
Trump is the only person to be fined for paying back loans with interest. share
No, Trump was fined for business fraud. Read the statute.
shareAnd yet, there was no fraud. He paid back everything with interest.
Not only were there no plaintiffs, but there were no legal precedents presented.
It is fraud even he he paid them back. The lying was the fraud part. A person cannot "unlie" once they have already completed the transaction.
shareSo according to you, paying something back with interest is fraud.
Once again, no one was defrauded or deceived. No plaintiffs and no precedents.
No, according to New York, "The word “fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions".
What part of this law do you not understand Are you going to go with the "deep state" excuse again?
So if something happens for the first time, it is fake, unjust or something else?
When was that specific law established?
share2014. Why are you asking questons that you could research for yourself? https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/EXC/63
shareWhere does it show 2014?
Btw, that form applies to other persons (plaintiffs).
Click on the date, it will show previous versions of the law. I can't hold your hand for everything.
shareI just checked every revision from 2014 to 2024 and they all apply to other person(s) (plaintiffs).
shareThe 2022 version applies to "Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on..."
The 2014 version applies to "Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on..."
How are they different? Can you quote the part that is meaningfully different?
You have seen that second degree murder in the NY code does not include the word victim. Yet, by your logic NY law makes it clear that a victim is not required for a second degree murder, nonsense!
shareYou didn't read the statute did you? It refers to the death of a person. This is the victim.
https://newyork.public.law/laws/n.y._penal_law_section_125.25
This is the victim:
"The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person."
Who were the victims in the Trump fraud case?
Why is a victim needed when the law does not say a victim is required? A person can engage in fraudulant activity without engaging in repeated fraud.
The case is about repeated fraud:
"James had been seeking $370 million from Trump, his company and its top executives, alleging “repeated and persistent fraud” that included falsifying business records and financial statements."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ny-fraud-case-damages-pay-millions-judge-engoron-rcna135283
Again, who are the victims affected by Trump's fraud?
When a person lies on their taxes, the victims are the other tax payers who have to shoulder an additional burden.
Why do you care who the victims were? Should we all be able to take turns flogging Trump? :)
Lying on taxes is tax perjury not civil fraud.
shareIt is also business fraud when related to business taxes.
shareWe don't know who or how much was defrauded. Why are simple facts missing from this case but not other fraud cases:
"Marriott pleaded guilty and admitted to filing false tax returns in tax years 2014 through 2016 that underreported income from the business. She also failed in 2016 and 2017 to declare the income she received through rental payments the company paid her on a monthly basis. DOJ said Marriott admitted to underreporting a total of $1,019,444, resulting in a loss to the government of at least $280,413."
https://www.news10.com/news/gansevoort-woman-sentenced-for-tax-fraud-underreported-more-than-1m-on-tax-returns/
There are plenty of dollar figures in the ruling. Did you read it? Deliberately misstating the value of property for tax reasons is fraud. Trump did this.
https://eddsa.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/public/452564_2022_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_v_PEOPLE_OF_THE_STATE_OF_DECISION_AFTER_TRIAL_1688.pdf
There are 92 pages. I'm not sure what you're pointing out. Here is the main supposed victim in this case:
The main alleged victim of the real estate mogul ’s fraud, Deutsche Bank, had itself not complained it had suffered any losses.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-new-york-business-fraud-lawsuit-1acac26e66862f497782350f172cf970
You can figure it out. I provided the data you claimed was not there.
shareHave you seen all the left-wing news stories the idiots on this website keep crowing about? The MSM is trying to spin the narrative that Trump's business is going under, he's going broke, and begging money off of his "gullible" followers for his legal fees and presidential campaign. It's all lies, of course. He still is a billionaire, has no need for his fans to raise money for him, and these legal fees are nothing to him. It's about as truthful as the MSM claiming that he called fallen American veterans buried in France "losers" and "refused to see their graves," when in fact what happened was, the weather was really bad and he couldn't take a chopper to get to the cemetery during that visit.
There's a reason I don't watch the lamestream news. All they talk about is how shitty the world is, and lie incessantly about Trump and anyone else their masters don't like.
Is your head on the floor again?
shareThe MSM is why there are so many stupid and low information voters.
Actually the media controls half the political power, in a way.
If the media suddenly decided to stop throwing their support to the Democrats, probably a fourth of their votes would suddenly disappear. Even a lot more than that over time.
If a politician doesn't do the media's bidding, they can make him lose an election. Even Trump was forced to tiptoe and had to alter many of his policies, trying to give the media as little as possible that they would be able to criticize him about.
Malcolm X would agree with you. Even 50 years ago, he realized how powerful a tool the press could be, and was even quoted on it.
share“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” ― Malcolm X
shareIt'd be nice of him if he let the gullible followers know he didnt need them to scrape their lunch money together then wouldnt it?
Haha! You lose... Again.
https://news.yahoo.com/chicago-ray-walks-back-trucker-003518254.html