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Is she secretly attracted to transgender women?


As I mentioned in my last post, she doesn't just comment on them but seems obsessed with them!

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Yes, she's attracted to men.

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But we don't hear her banging on about cisgender men all the time.

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She’s defending her own gender and the psychotic push to erase it.

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But nobody's saying cisgender people cannot identify with their gender. There was the same sort of moral panic 50-60 years ago saying that if we accept homosexuality, straight people will be brainwashed to become gay.

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And it came true, drag queens are trying to brainwash our children in public every day.

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How many drag shows have been performed for children? On the other hand, we can teach children (in a non sexualised manner) that it's okay if they or anyone else finds themselves identifying as transgender and that it's not okay to pick on someone because of their gender identity.

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No, we're not letting you pedos groom kids.

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Firstly, to elaborate on my last post, I actually think it would be highly inappropriate to perform drag shows for children. But you didn't answer my question: how many drag shows have been performed for children?

Secondly, I said we can teach children concepts of tolerance and fairness towards all kinds of social groups (not just gender identity) in a NON-SEXUALISED format. So how would that equate to pedophiles grooming children?

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I haven't been counting. Click this link and count for yourself...https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok

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I found one event posted on 22 January 23 saying "all ages welcome" and like I said before, children shouldn't be exposed to adult entertainment. But I'm not sure if the event itself was trying to promote tolerance and inclusion or was just a drag show.

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You intentionally missed others like January 31, 29 and 28, then. Is scrolling down too difficult for you?

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Apologies if I've missed anything relevant. While I did find the one post I did find on 22 January that highlighted an advertisement for a drag show that was open to children, there was a lot of other content which IMO lacked any qualified discourse. Specifically I didn't find references to any reliable news sources or peer reviewed publications which qualifies the claim that trans rights equate to pedophilia. This Twitter account seems to have an undercurrent of anti-intellectualism. If a first year undergraduate cited it in an essay, they would definitely lose marks.

Anyway, like I said before, drag shows shouldn't be open to children. Assuming we both agree on that point, what else can you tell me about the posts on 28-29 and 31 January? Moreover, like I asked before, why can't we teach equality and respect in a non-sexualised manner?

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You're clearly a good, thoughtful person Tonyharrison. Don't let anyone here put you down. Just know that there are a few of us who sympathise with where you're coming from.

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Thanks once again Harvey. I've seen a number of your posts and I can see you just want others to be treated fairly.

By the way, I laughed at a new term for JK Rowling. She's not a TERF but a FART (feminist appropriating radical transphobe)! 😂

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There is literally a tv show made around children dressing in drag, for fucks sake. Don't be obtuse.

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Citation?

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https://moviechat.org/tt10451752

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It shouldn't be g-rated. Is it being broadcast on any networks?

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The Discovery Channel

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Right. I actually did a bit of reading on this controversy and like I said before, the content isn't for children but on the other hand there's no nudity, etc. https://reason.com/2022/12/29/the-fight-over-kids-at-drag-shows-is-a-classic-moral-panic/

It shouldn't have a g rating but in terms of the violent and explicit content young children can access, it's not the worst. I just don't think it's valid to conflate these productions with genuine efforts to promote equality and respect in a non-sexualised manner.

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At least you're honest about your homophobia.

A lot of transphobes like to pretend that they're on the same side as gay people. Heck, a few gay people seem to be anti-trans, forgetting the demonisation of homosexuals 30/40 years ago.

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At least your honest about your HETEROPHOBIA.

A lot of HETEROPHOBES like to pretend they just want equality, but it's clear they are groomers who want dominion.

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I *am* straight. Why would I be heterophobic?

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and they were right, because that's exactly what happened. Just look at the state we're in today with all the tranny children and kids being raised as some made up gender. we should have listened back then, I dread to think what level of control people like you will have over society in 20 years

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That's fair enough.

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Real women find fake women offensive. Especially feminists and lesbians.

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100% on point. It should be viewed as being as offensive to women as blackface is to black people.

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Agreed! Great point!

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blackface is offensive?

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It's viewed as offensive.

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it's usually for comedic effect

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FTR I don't find it offensive personally and question how a person wearing make up can cause another person harm in any way at all, and I'll maybe listen to arguments about how blackface causes harm when the movie White Chicks is treated to the same level of scrutiny (cue all the racists coming to argue how it's different when it's white people, no fuck off it's exactly the same)
My point was that a male attempting to appropriate the essence of woman by whatever means, make up, surgery whatever, and trying to force everyone else to share the delusion should receive the level of vitriol that blackface seems to currently generate, as it's far worse than blackface which as you point out is usually for comedic effect.

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Drag queens and transgender people are not the same thing; there is a condition, gender dysphoria in which people honestly identify as trangender. Blackface on the other hand, is a genre of entertainment that dehumanises black people.

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Prove gender exists and wasn't coined specifically so John Money had an excuse to experiment sexually on children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money#Controversies

Prove blackface dehumanises people.

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Nowadays medical professionals are strictly prohibited from performing gender reassignment on minors (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/05/viral-image/no-young-children-cannot-take-hormones-or-change-t/) Needless to say what John Money did was highly unethical and would be illegal nowadays.

Anyway, back to my point: gender dysphoria does exist as per consensus in current academic literature (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/#:~:text=Gender%20dysphoria%20is%20a%20term,harmful%20impact%20on%20daily%20life.)

To understand my point about blackface, I suggest you watch Bamboozled (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C45g3YP7JOk). Please note that you may find the scenes disturbing.

By the way, I hope you have a Happy New Year.

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French & Saunders do a hilarious sketch where they play fat, middle-aged, letchy men. As a man, I'm not offended. Shame there are a few snowflakes who can't handle the reverse.

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While I do find the concept of a man becoming a woman or vice versa to be hilarious it's not an equal comparison to a comedy sketch. Unless you're saying transwomen are wearing a costume and playing a character like F&S were?

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In which case, I don't understand your comparison between trans people and blackface.

I understood the comparison to be between blackface and drag performances. That would be the more accurate comparison, although unlike blackface, drag performances don't have a toxic legacy rooted in the Antebellum/segregated South.

Trans people aren't remotely comparable to blackface, because trans people aren't consciously or unconsciously seeking to demean and degrade other people. Even if you don't regard trans women as genuine women, which is a whole other argument, they are NOT seeking to put down and mock cis women. Blackface is intentionally designed to mock and degrade Black people, and it's incorporated by white people who can happily opt out of their performance any time they choose.

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I didn't compare blackface and transpeople I said the outrage should be comparable. Personally idgaf about blackface, I care about blackface as much as I care about enabling mentally ill people who think they can become the opposite sex but can't define man or woman. If blackface causes harm then go arrest RDJ, Trudeau, Sarah Silverman, Howard Stern, Ted Danson for causing people harm. But it doesn't cause any harm, it's just more grievance nonsense.

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I'm not suggesting anyone should be arrested for Blackface (also, fwiw, I think the context differs in those various cases; Justin Trudeau, for instance, was a teacher, who should have known better, and allegedly did it, not once, not twice, but on three seperate occasions, whereas RDJ was clearly mocking the entire practice of Blackface and of white people appropriating acting roles that should really go to Black people).

But, once again, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Blackface is a practice designed to mock and oppress Black people. Trans identity is much more complicated, and is about honest, good faith identification as a gender different to the one assigned an individual at birth (although I don't deny that there are many bad faith actors who aren't legitimately trans, who have tried to exploit trans acceptance for malign agendas).

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Does blackface cause harm? Then people who wear blackface should be arrested as that's what we do to people who cause others harm, right? I don't think it causes any harm, I'm just following the logic that it does cause harm to the conclusion.
It seems you are saying blackface is OK in some scenarios then. I'm not entirely convinced RDJ was mocking blackface rather than engaging in it. I mean where do you draw the line? Are impersonations of individual black people OK or is that not allowed? Is every example of someone blacking up blackface or is blackface a very specific thing to the US?

Blackface is a practice designed to mock and oppress Black people


Can we then define blackface? Is RDJ mocking and oppressing black people? If not why not?

Trans identity is much more complicated, and is about honest, good faith identification as a gender different to the one assigned an individual at birth


Gender is not assigned to an individual at birth, they are identified via biological sex. Which is something physically quantifiable unlike gender. The whole concept of gender is unfalsifiable and should be discarded as junk science thought up by a pervert. Do not confuse this with me denying body dysphoria is a thing, I'm not doing that. I AM saying enabling mentally ill people and forcing society to pretend along with them via legislation is a recipe for disaster though.

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Do they? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaK3xUeWsAECajn?format=jpg&name=medium

I don't think women need to be insecure about their own womanhood, it's not in jeopardy by the mere existence of transwomen.

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Be careful Wint3rFir3, you'll be accused of 'misogyny' (mainly by cishet men who are *actual* misogynists...)

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I'm never careful, but thanks for the warning. I don't care about name-calling much, it's just a silencing tactic and I don't register it very often.

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Thank you Win and Harvey. You are voices of reason.

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Welcome.

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Are you secretly attracted to Rowling?

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If I was, I wouldn't start foaming at the mouth and imply she and all her fans are potential rapists (see the link in one of my previous posts for details).

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Are people secretly attracted to Trump?

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The left is, for sure.

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She doesn't bring them up usually, she's just constantly having to defend her very reasonable and logical comments. It's the looney left that's obsessed with trannies, and feel the need to keep engaging her on the subject.

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Firstly, I don't think the term "trannies" is appropriate. Secondly, if she doesn't feel comfortable about transgender people, perhaps it would be better if she kept her prejudices to herself and got counselling or something instead of, for example, going on to social media and implying that transgender people should be treated as suspected rapists. In relation to my second point, it wasn't "loony left" people or anyone else who compelled her to imply that transgender people should be treated as suspected rapists.

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Firstly, I can care less you if YOU feel tranny is appropriate or not. Secondly, why is it ok for trannies to project their opinions on the matter, but not ok with people who disagree? Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn't it. And lastly, I hate to break it to you, but what she expressed regarding concerns about tranny men raping women HAS happened, so save your feigned indignation for an application that needs it.

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Why don't you care about my opinion that this term is inappropriate? I'm curious to know.

In relation to your second point, okay, while the disproportionate majority of sexual assaults are committed by straight, cisgender men, some sexual assaults are committed by other groups (including transgender women among others). But why doesn't JK Rowling cite some crime statistics? Or is she inciting irrational fear of transgender women the same way that Nick Griffin and David Duke, for example, might imply that black and Muslim men should be treated as suspected rapists? The bottom line is that if JK Rowling incites fear and prejudice like this, she can expect to be lampooned like a real life caricature of Eric Cartman.

Sure there are good and bad people in every group that's defined by gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, race and religion, etc. Sadly there are rapists lurking among all kinds of groups I've just mentioned. But statistics suggest that transgender people are far more likely to be victims, not perpetrators, of sexual assault (https://junkee.com/jk-rowling-terf-transphobic-tweet-rape/317863).

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"Trannies" is far less offensive than any more accurate description would be.

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How do you mean?

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So much of this website is left wing trolls arguing with right trolls.

It's like that fake meme story about undercover cops posing as drug dealers arresting undercover cops posing as drug dealers.

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You're right. Most of these people are disinfo. They've everywhere now. It's amazing to me how no matter where I go online, no matter what site I visit, I see and hear the exact same five talking points over and over and over again, depending on which side is posting. Blah blah blah Deathsantis blah blah Dementia Joe blah blah blah Christian Nazis blah blah blah Woke blah blah blah. You would think everyone on the planet thinks and talks like this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the comments section and forum of every site looked like a study they did of Facebook a while ago, where researches found that only 10 people or so were responsible for 99% of all the anti-vaxx comments being posted across the entire platform. Except in this case, it'll probably be something like 10,000 troll farmers from 10 think tanks, government-sanctioned disinfo programs, a few fringe groups and some subcultures responsible for all online discussions.

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For reals. I used to laugh at disinfo conspiracy theories. But really, with all these cookie-cutter bait posts, I can't see it any other way. And if ppl aren't disinfo, they're definitely sheep or just mindless internet drones.

I miss the early days of the internet where posters seemed like real people. With real opinions. But ugh. Maybe that's just nostalgia goggles.

Also, since you only had a few comments, I checked your posts to see if you were another weird bot person or something. Glad to see that, even if I don't necessarily agree with everything you wrote, you appear to be a real person lmao. Instead of someone just checking off boxes when responding to other people.

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If only it were a conspiracy theory, but they are everywhere, and I have literally caught everyone from Canadians and Brits to Japanese stalking niche forums and news sites that could only be of interest to New Yorkers.

It's not just government-sanctioned disinfo troll farmers, but various businesses and job sectors using troll tactics to destroy the competition, social engineer supporters or clamp down on whistleblowers.

Want to hear and see something funny? Ever wonder why you've started to hear weird expressions around the web, almost like Engrish or Wapanese? For instance, you might've heard and seen lily white American kids talking in "Engrish." A popular phrase right now is "fragrant," as in "stir while fragrant." I know that this is Engrish because I shop at an Asian Grocer called Say Weee, where Chinese reviews are translated into English, and "aroma" and "scent" are mistranslated as "fragrant."

Whenever you hear an American or Euro kid saying "stir while fragrant" or seeming to speak in poor English, it's because they were crowdsourced by Chinese. I know this sounds crazy, but here is a YouTube where an American or Canadian was clearly hired to read text written by a foreign entity. It's all in Engrish, because it was translated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5kJTR8REQM&t=157s

There's also some more sinister disinfo, where fake "experts" are trying to teach people how to "self diagnose as autistic". They will say stuff like, "If you tell your friends and family that you're autistic, but they tell you that you're not, just know that they're gaslighting you." I've even seen some "literature" (cough) saying stuff like if someone is suspected of being autistic, but they test negative, it's only because they're able to "cheat" when on their screening tests.

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why do liberals do this!? it's like when AOC who was all in favor of masks, lockdowns, apps to track people in NY, goes down to florida and walks around with no mask on, when she gets called out on her hypocrisy "you wanna bang her!"

no, rowling isn't attracted to dudes with wigs on, she's simply sick of the mental illness that exists in our society, where science has now become an illegal offense.

i don't even agree with her on 99% of things, but you know theres something wrong when someone who has made billions writing about magic wizards and spells, thinks the world is f-king insane!

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I'm just wondering what you mean by the comment, "science has now become an illegal offense"?

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