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Harvey crossed a line, that's why he's toast


The casting couch thing is real, this is pretty standard quid pro quo thing in Hollywood. But notice that Harvey was the only real Hollywood big wig that's in trouble? The fact that Harvey Weinstein was the only one called out about sexual assault in Hollywood leaves me to believe, Harvey was just the one that stepped over the line with his aggressive harassment.

There's others too like Bret Rattner, but he doesn't have nowhere near the amount of accusations thrown at him. There's noway he's the only studio head with that type of body count. He just got singled out for being a overzealous creep where as other studio execs wasn't as off putting and predatory/aggressive with their propositions as Harvey was.

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no he lost a lot of money

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Interesting analysis

id add to that the Weinstein Company hadnt had any of those acclaimed box office hits it was known for in a good while (maybe Kings Speech was last one in 2010) in part due to the rise of Netflix and of the mega blockbuster in cinemas which must've left Harvey in a vulnerable position/open to attack (in Hollywood ur only as good as ur last movie and a just couple of years is a long time etc)

Then there was the movement of the women he assaulted/casting couch'd etc who had been getting more mature and angry about what had happened back in the 90s when they were young, impressionable and how he made them do things in exchange for things that didn't perhaps turn out the way they wanted and also being blacklisted by him missing roles etc for rejecting him etc

and the unforeseen unprecedented rise of SM which has given a voice to everyone on the planet especially celebrities (and in HW case the women he wronged). So if some one is making noise against you accusations etc its a serious thing and if its true it can quickly gather speed (which culminated with that big article from the Sinatra boy - which destroyed him overnight)

All of which created a 'perfect storm' that utterly destroyed him - the opposite of the 'perfect storm' of good fortune that hed been riding since the mid 90s (the critically acclaimed hits, no SM etc)

Its almost like a modern day Faustian tale. I bet HW still can't quite believe what's happened/happening to him and has trouble even comprehending how far he's fallen

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I forgot to add social media, but i still suspect that his abusive over zealousness, and vindictiveness did him in too.

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Buyer's remorse is standard in women not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions. I'm a woman and I find it insulting when women want to be considered as strong and able to stand toe-to-toe with men, yet not willing to take the same hits men do. I mean some if those #metoo idiots have said, "Oooh, he touched me on my shoulder and it felt like rape." Then they get coddled for that.

The problem is these women think their vaginas are golden and think they can start telling a different story after they've "made it" and they'll be believed. Yet no one scrutinizes it when they keep going back time-after-time for jobs and no one bats an eye at that. Only ten, fifteen, twenty years later they tell their "stories" and social media eats it up.

In one such case as Sean Young and her joining in on the Chorus of the Aggrieved, she did this only after someone on her Trump loving YouTube channel made the allusion to her. Suddenly two weeks later she makes allegations against Harvey and suddenly people are flocking to this nutcase who was guilty of stalking against James Woods. Not that I care for James Woods. But this is what I'm talking about.

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Yeah, I kinda agree with most of this.

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he was a serial predator.

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So you're saying the other guys only did it one or two times then stopped?

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well Harvey had a criminal organization set up, that's basically what the Weinstein company were and that's what brought him down.,

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No I think the assumption is Hollywood's pretending weinstein was the only one and hoping no one else notices the other droves of producers and directors that were doing the same thing.

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Exactly

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Hollywood I guess figures it needs to sacrifice only one scapegoat and hope no one pays attention to the rest of the culprits.

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Hollywood I guess figures it needs to sacrifice only one scapegoat and hope no one pays attention to the rest of the culprits.
Could be something to this.

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Like what? It sounds like pure conspiratorial lunacy to me; as if everyone in Hollywood is playing for the same team, and they all had a meeting and decided to offer Harvey up as a sacrifice to the #metoo gods so it may allow the rest of them to sexually harass with impunity. That's the stuff of insane asylums.

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My point is producers and directors in hollywood have been playing this game for a long time and turned the other way but now they're acting like their appalled and had no idea this was going on. We aren't just talking about harvey where talking about how quick guilty producers are by dismissing people below them on mere allegations. Less powerful yet innocent men are being fired at the mere allegation of abuse. The men are being fired by those same producers who are the ones who allowed power abusing men to exist in the industry, and are all of a sudden pretending they give a danm about women. Its not noble of you to try to simplify my oberservation so you can straw man it by implying that I'm arguing there was a a singular meeting to conspire against harvey I never said anything like that. In fact this behavior doesn't really require conscious effort at cooperation at all. Its pretty obvious this behavior will still go in the industry where the most powerful men are not being punished unless they outright commit a crime(And the female victims bring charges forward rather then stay silent in order to protect their careers) while they fire actors and other lower status men on the bottom for mere allegations of "sexual misconduct" (An odd term by the media to use if we are actually talking about sexual assualt). From what we can tell harvey was the worst so the media was able to take him down in the court of public opinion and as there were scores of credible women speaking out against his past actions. The problem remains that those women who were sexually assaulted didn't go to the police to avoid repercussions to their careers or simply maintain the advantage maintaning friendly relationships with the producer afforded them. If you read the stories of a lot of the #meetoo movement you'll see a lot of women willfully participated in these sexual activities but now angrily regret their decisions. Harvey will be charged but he'll probably get away with it cause so many of these women waiting eons to speak out and now which allows most of the evidence to dry up. The point is women and men allowed this behavior to go on and now everyones acting shocked (Not complaining about that since at least people are reacting to the problem). My issue is the problems not being fixed. Powerful men at the top will continue their behavior while they fire people below them at the mere alligation of abuse in order to appease public opinion while still committing their deeds. Put simply women are still tolerating this behavior from the top so the top will keep doing what they are being allowed to do. Credible women need to target the top and not settle for merely getting guys on the bottom fired on allegations alone.

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" offer Harvey up as a sacrifice to the #metoo gods so it may allow the rest of them ..."
I read it as , sacrifice Harvey and stop doing it , hope thats the end of it ....
or am i being too naive?

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I think what crc32 is saying is that what Hollywood did was to throw Weinstein to the wolves in the hope that that would get #metoo off the rest of their backs. That sounds reasonable to me. Where is the flaw in the argument?

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yeah we both agree on that . I was wondering if in light of the scandal they were going to clean their act up, or once the wolves were fed full of Harvey it would be business as usual.

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yeah we both agree on that . I was wondering if in light of the scandal they were going to clean their act up, or once the wolves were fed full of Harvey it would be business as usual.
There will always be men who abuse women and girls and there will always be women and girls who will participate in hopes of advancing their careers.

Their thinking was likely that once Harvey had been tossed to the wolves, that business would resume as usual.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6249875/Actress-Rose-McGowan-triggered-Harvey-Weinsteins-downfall-says-MeToo-bull.html

Just noticed this. Not saying it's the gospel truth, but it does fit in, I believe.

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it isn't abuse if they participate.

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EXACTLY!

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The NBC News organization threw other people to the wolves instead of Harvey. They wanted to squelch the HW story to protect him, and because they had their own matt Lauer problem.

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The flaw is that there were still organizations outside the Weinstein Co that were protecting Harvey and trying to squash the story before it came out in the NYT and before Ronan Farrow published in the New Yorker.

Notably: NBC Universal.
After initially supporting Ronan Farrow (and suggesting the story in the first place), NBC news division began throwing roadblock after roadblock in his way. They went way out of their way. And it wasn’t just because they were afraid of Weinstein; it was because they were afraid the truth about Matt Lauer — and the NBC News-orchestrated cover ups and NDRs that shielded Lauer and allowed him to continue abusing women — would also come out in the wake of the Weinstein story.

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Lauer wasn't really "abusing" women tho.

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He had to be the one to blow the cover of a culture where people are forced to have sex with others to progress their career or just to keep it.

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This bugged me too, the rumors i heard was that Harvey was set up by enemies he had, over the fact someone lost money. Or he wasn't making them ENOUGH money, and or someone wanted him out of the way.

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That makes more sense.

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Good point...

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His open secret eventually blown the lid of what was essentially an industry standard.

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Yeah, it's already been mentioned but I forgot to add Social Media to the equation. That helped A LOT too, especially those newspaper articles. It's crazy how social media is shaping sociopolitical issues for better or for worse. Without SM we probably wouldn't have gotten the Arab Spring, #BlackLivesMatter, #MAGA let alone the #MeToo movement. We're living a "Brave New World" realized.

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Yup, SM changed the game in a really big way.

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Wow BLM was a thing two years ago? I guess so until GF turned it into a phenomenon.. (unlike #metoo #timesup which only emerged because of Harvey)

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BLM been around since 2015 i think.

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