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Officially expelled from the Academy. Why now?


"The Board continues to encourage ethical standards that require members to uphold the Academy's values of respect for human dignity," a statement from the Academy read.

Um, is this the same Academy that had like a hundred signatures on a petition to waive the charges laid out against him? Over a hundred Hollywood darlings that looked the other way to his rape of a minor because he was a Hollywood treasure? That same Academy that once protected and defended his transgressions, NOW decide to grow a conscience and disband him? How in the hell does anyone see this and think "good for them for doing the right thing!". I swear the sheer cowardice of Hollywood just jumping on the bandwagon whenever it suits them. Bunch of snot nosed hypocrites all of them.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/03/entertainment/bill-cosby-roman-pollanski/index.html

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Cause they can't kick a black man out (Cosby) and leave stink pot in there. And they're wetting themselves wanting to boot The Cos.

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So they can take advantage and get on record with the MeToo movement. But, they can't do that without booting out Polanski with Cosby. It's an easy decision,,,Polanski is getting old. No sense in holding on to his ticket. It's safe to sacrifice him and get Cosby in the jackpot.

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You may be right about the political motives.

I wonder if Weinstein, Spacey, and Bryan Singer are still members?

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Yeah, they'll preserve Spacey especially. He's got a lot of tread in those tires. "Just lay low for a couple years and we'll bring you back when the next recession hits." :(

They're hoping the law will grab Weinstein, then it's out of their hands.

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A guilty verdict in court appears to be the new standard the academy is abiding by. This is why they didn't boot Cosby before now. They had the excuse that they couldn't really do anything about unproven allegations.

They had to add Polanski as an afterthought to prevent charges of racism even though without Cosby's guilty verdict they were probably content not to have to boot Roman.

So Weinstein, Spacey, and Singer are probably all safe unless/until rendered guilty in court.

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I'm angry about Polanski, but not for the same reasons. Without condoning the deed, Polanski is indeed a national treasure and nothing is gonna stop me from saying, "You know what? Rosemary's Baby is on right now. Or Chinatown. Or The Pianist. Why don't I watch it?" Just let it go.

Rosemary's Baby is enough to make me forgive him. What the artist did isn't going to stop me from enjoying the art. I'll still watch a Weinstein movie (especially if it's Tarantino). I'll still watch the Naked Gun movies. I'll still watch Kevin Spacey's movies (I still think he's innocent, myself). Not too long ago I watched Annie Hall on TCM for the first time and loved it. I think Woody's innocent, too.

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Whatever happened to "forgive and forget"? What happens to #MeToo, #TimesUp, etc. if any accusations are proven false (such as pop singer Melanie Martinez back in December)?

I guess I'm more forgiving than most people. But seriously, he made Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown, and The Pianist, and this is the thanks he gets? Cosby and Weinstein are one thing, Polanski is another.

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Jesus Fucking Christ.

"Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?"

He pleaded guilty.

"Whatever happened to "forgive and forget"? "

Not sure that counts when you jump bail, never serve your sentence, never demonstrate regret/guilt and live a life of untold luxury.

"this is the thanks he gets?"

He won an Oscar and all those lousy hypocrites gave a standing ovation to a self confessed child drugging sex criminal.

And you forgive him because he made some good films? Tell me would you forgive him if it was your daughter he drugged and buggered?

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Here's your answer to the "jumped bail" crap. First of all he was not out on bail. He'd served his time as per the sentencing agreement by the original prosecutor Roger Gunson, Samantha Geimer the girl, and her lawyer Lawrence Silver. But I'll let her tell you what happened and how SHE sees it.



As for the Academy expelling a member who 41 years ago pleaded guilty to a single charge and served his sentence, it is an ugly and cruel action which serves only appearance. It does nothing to change the sexist culture in Hollywood today and simply proves that they will eat their own to survive. I say to Roman, good riddance to bad rubbish, the Academy has no true honor, it’s all just PR.


He'd served his sentence and all that was left was for the disgusting publicity-seeking judge to sign off on the case. Instead he was getting heat from his Hillhurst Country Club denizens' wives who were demanding he go hard on Polanski, where hardness was not needed. So he was going to sentence Polanski beyond the sentencing guidelines to from between 10-50 years, beyond what the probation report, and the three psychological examinations he underwent in Chino State Prison between December 29, 1977 to the middle of February 1978. All reports said he was not likely to reoffend, not a sexual predator, not a deviant, and should not have to register as a sex offender. He has apologized to Geimer in a letter she received. She has also said they email a lot and have seen each other once when she went to France for the documentary "Roman Polanski: Wanted & Desired".

Forensic tests from the time showed no anal sex occurred. At the time of the examination of Geimer at approximately 11:34 PM the night of March 10, 1977 at Parkwood Hospital. Dr. Larson took vaginal scrapings, and swabs from her anus, peritoneaum and vaginal lips. The forensic tech Lee Mann when giving his testimony in front of the Grand Jury stated there were no fluids at all on her. NONE! Meaning no sperm, no saliva, no nothing. So how can she have been "buggered" if there was ZERO signs of it? As for the drugging, she said in her testimony he found the tablet she identified as being Rhorer777 in the medicine chest and broke it in quarters. She said she TOOK one of her own accord. Today she supports Polanski. What do you call that?

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Ok so he didn't "jump bail" as no bail was set - he just fled the country prior to his sentencing. So much better!

He hadn't served his sentence - he had completed psychiatric evaluation prior to sentencing.

As for the judge - it doesn't matter if anyone was pressurising him. It doesn't matter if he wanted publicity. He was the trial judge and it was *his* job to set the sentence and his alone. If he wanted to make an example of Polanski then that was his right. If he did anything that broke the law or was a violation of protocol then that could be used as grounds for appeal but NOBODY gets to just run away prior to sentencing, especially someone who has just pleaded guilty to sex with a child. This is a serious crime in and of itself and one that can't possibly be denied no matter how insane you might be.

As for the buggery this comes from her own testimony. Aside from the drugs he had been giving her champagne - to a 13 year old girl. Did she just find that in the medicine cabinet as well? I mean, FFS she was there because he'd been taking naked photos of her... that alone would be enough to end most people's career yet somehow yet in your eyes its the judge that's 'disgusting' not this guy?

And as for saying she 'supports' Polanski, no she sure as hell does not.

"Straight up, what he did to me was wrong. But I wish he would return to America so the whole ordeal can be put to rest for both of us." Furthermore, "I'm sure if he could go back, he wouldn't do it again. He made a terrible mistake but he's paid for it." In 2008, Geimer stated in an interview that she wishes Polanski would be forgiven, "I think he's sorry, I think he knows it was wrong. I don't think he's a danger to society. I don't think he needs to be locked up forever and no one has ever come out ever – besides me – and accused him of anything. It was 30 years ago now. It's an unpleasant memory ... (but) I can live with it."

Plus she sued him for sexual assault which he settled!

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I'm not going to bother trying to converse with you on this case since you clearly don't know it. I have all the filings and paperwork including all three psychiatric evaluations. As for Geimer supporting him, she sure the hell does. Her continued support of him as far as clearing the case is concerned and supporting filmmaker Marina Zenovich and her TWO documentaries on the case and her "emailing him a bit" certainly does not speak to a victim. Not by a long shot.

As for the "buggery" it comes down to the evidence never supported it so she had to backtrack. Also she failed to explain why his fluids weren't where they should have been... But hey, let's not let sniggly details get in the way of a lynch mob.

If you really care to learn the facts, please avail yourself of this blog: http://polanski-oddmanout.blogspot.ca/

You'll see that Geimer changes her story quite a bit.

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Expecting people to attend sentencing to crimes they have confessed to isn't a lynch mob. Nobody is calling for him to be castrated. He should go to California and let due process be finished - just like anybody else who isn't rich enough to flee the country. If there's any improprieties in the process then he can appeal.

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Let due process happen? Yeah, right. The case could, could have been over in 1997, however, the judge in that case also sought fame in that he wanted Polanski on television. Polanski explicitly asked for the hearing to be in camera which means without the media present. That judge denied it as he knew it wouldn't give him the publicity he wanted. The same thing with Espinoza and Findler in the current case. The Circuit Court of appeals who handled the appeal from 2009/2010 said for Judge Peter Espinoza to sentence Polanski in absentia, something Geimer wanted as well as her lawyer. Both were on board with that. It was Espinoza who refused to take the remedy handed down by the higher court and wanted Polanski present in California in effect wanting the perp walk Polanski refuses to give them and the media. And yes there are a whole lot of people calling for him to be castrated. Apparently you haven't kept up. Due process would be finished if the Superior Court would accept the Circuit Court of Appeals' remedy in the absentia sentencing. Done. Over. Move on! This is all on Steve Cooley and Peter Espinoza. Cooley was running for California AG when HE politicized Polanski. The one who won that race Kamala Harris stated herself it was all political with Cooley. And now Cooley's acolyte Jackie Lacy is following suit. And this is what Samantha Geimer had to say to Lacy:

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Mrs. Samantha Geimer
c/o Silver & Field, LLC
2990 S. Sepulveda Blvd., Suite 312
Los Angeles, CA 90064

Jackie Lacey, District Attorney of Los Angeles County
Michele Hanisee, Deputy District Attorney
Major Crimes Division
210 West Temple Street, Suite 1100
Los Angeles, CA 90012-3210

RE: The State of California vs Roman Polanski & Roman Raymond Polanski vs The Superior Court of Los Angeles
District Attorney Lacey and Deputy District Attorney Hannisee:

Attached please find my correspondence to you dated over 3 years ago, January 24, 2014, along with your reply, dated over six weeks later, stating your “preparedness” to proceed if the case was again brought before you.



My wishes that you act on my behalf as the victim in this case to investigate the misconduct that occurred fell upon deaf ears, along with my request that you act upon the instructions of the Dec. 21, 2009, Opinion of the Second Appellate Court of Appeal of the State of California, Second Appellate District. In particular, the aforementioned Opinion stated that the Court is deeply concerned that these allegations of misconduct have not been addressed.



Further, “Polanski’s allegations urgently require full exploration and then, if indicated, curative action for the abuses alleged here. Time continues to pass, and the delay in addressing this matter has already removed one participant from the ranks of the available witnesses for an evidentiary hearing on the judicial and prosecutorial misdeeds that have been alleged here. The passage of more time before this case’s final resolution will further hamper the search for the truth and the delivery of any appropriate relief, and it will also prolong the agony that the lack of finality in this matter continues to cause Samantha Geimer. We all exhort all participants in this extended drama to place the integrity of the criminal justice system above the desire to punish any one individual, whether for his offense or his flight.”



I have read the PEOPLES OPPOSITION TO: (1) RENEWED MOTION TO UNSEAL THE SWORN TESTIMONY OF DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY ROGER GUNSON; AND (2) MOTION TO RECONSIDER COURT’S APRIL 3, 2017 ORDER.



I am outraged that you continue to cover up the misconduct that has occurred in this case, which began 40 years ago and continues today. I have spent 40 years with a boot on my neck filled by one powerful man after another, standing on a 13 year old rape victim’s suffering to further their own purposes and to serve themselves, and sickened that it has now been filled by women.



You refuse to investigate the truth, you seek to hide testimony and defame those who produce relevant evidence and facts with accusations of criminal activity, facts you ignore to serve yourselves. I cannot help but see the irony of behavior that mimics the despicable behavior of our new administration in Washington, DC. So, I say to you, DO YOUR JOB! Stop making excuses, stop passing the buck, stop covering up what should be investigated and the very responsibility for which you were elected.



If you will not do the right, moral and legally required thing and stop covering up and withholding facts, I can only hope when the truth comes out as it always does, that you both are still around to have your reputations suffer as they should. You and those have come before you have never protected me, you have treated me with contempt, using a crime committed against me to further your own careers. You have treated Marci’s Law as you treat the victims who you are meant to protect, with disregard and callousness.



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I know you will not help me, I know I mean nothing to you, I know the corruption in the Court and within your own department is something you have no interest in investigating. Because you are both part of it. I hope someday I will see the truth of all the egregious behavior I have had to tolerate at the hands of your predecessors and now you, will someday be known by all. Whether you feel any shame or not.

Victims and those who commit crimes are not just wins and losses, not just notches in your belts. Celebrity cases should not be misused by those like yourselves for some limelight and career advancement. We have all heard that there is special place in Hell for women who do not help other women, I hope it is true. I have no hope that you will DO YOUR JOB and investigate crimes committed by “your own”. So, I will settle for hoping that you, as we all do, will suffer the consequences for your actions and your dishonesty. This is just another sad day for what should be the greatest and most equitable judicial system in the world.

With deep regret that as a crime victim I cannot count on either of you and with sadness for all the others you will harm along your way “to the top”.

Samantha Geimer



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What is Rhorer777 ?

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That was the make of the pill. Samantha knew it because of her prior experience with it when she was nine and took a few of her sister's. Rorer 714 is like the brand of the pill similar to Tylenol, Viagra.... She knew it. And given her prior knowledge with the pill she knew how much she could take which was the quarter tab. People act like Polanski shoved it down her throat when that was not what happened. She took it from him and willingly consumed it. He did not supply it nor did he give it to her.

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Google doesn't seem to have heard of it.

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There is a Rorer 714, though.

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I was just looking at my copy of the transcript and it was Rorer 714. So she knew the brand of it.

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"Just let it go."

Is that we should say to all our rapists and pedophiles depending on how good of a job they do in their field? "Just let it go"? People would be fine "letting it go" after he pays for his crimes like he's supposed to.

"Rosemary's Baby is enough to make me forgive him."

Nice to know that's all it takes to forgive a sexual predator in your book. "Just make a good movie and you're golden bro".

"What the artist did isn't going to stop me from enjoying the art."

No one's saying it should. I don't stop watching his films either, but that doesn't mean I have to be ok with him getting away with his crime. No one should be exempt from justice.

"Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?"

Nothing. He was proven guilty.

"Whatever happened to "forgive and forget"?"

Why not just do away with the entire judicial system by that crackpot logic then? Why should any criminal serve time? Why not just forgive and forget?

"What happens to #MeToo, #TimesUp, etc. if any accusations are proven false (such as pop singer Melanie Martinez back in December)?"

Then they too get torn a new hole by the masses. You think it hasn't already happened? Look at the Aziz Ansari case. EVERYONE was on his side. The way Ashley Banfield ripped into his accuser was some of the most beautiful television I've ever seen on the news. People have a good idea of when justice is served. It just wasn't served with Polanski.

"I guess I'm more forgiving than most people. "

You don't say. You'll forgive anyone that makes a good enough movie.

"But seriously, he made Rosemary's Baby, Chinatown, and The Pianist, and this is the thanks he gets? "

I honestly can't even believe I'm reading this tripe. You GENUINELY think that by making good movies, that he DESERVES forgiveness for raping a minor? That we should "thank" him for these movies by letting his crimes slide? I'm just in awe.

"Cosby and Weinstein are one thing, Polanski is another."

Why?

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Rosemary's Baby is enough to make me forgive him.


As long as it wasn't your daughter he drugged and raped I presume...

The hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds. None.

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How is making a good movie a good reason to forgive him? What disturbed logic. It's fine if you still love those movies. But you forgive him because of them? He should get off because he made good movies? There's no innocent here, he pleaded guilty to having sex with a 13 year old. And he got away with it. And even with his expulsion, that's just the academy. It's not like he's in prison now. Your defense of him is disgusting.

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Did you read what Samantha Geimer had to say on it all?

So you want to know what I think?

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by samgeimer in Uncategorized

The Academy’s decision highlights the need for the misconduct and corruption in this case, not only in 1977, but as it has continued to this day, be IMMEDIATELY investigated. The Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office has refused to pursue justice, instead it continues to cover up the illegal and inappropriate activity in the Court, and in particular, its own office. DAs are not elected to seek the limelight celebrity cases afford them as preferable to serving the public interest. The disgusting behavior in the Los Angeles Districts Attorney’s office helped create today’s trend of accusations being the same as convictions, our Courts are diminished by their actions.

As for the Academy expelling a member who 41 years ago pleaded guilty to a single charge and served his sentence, it is an ugly and cruel action which serves only appearance. It does nothing to change the sexist culture in Hollywood today and simply proves that they will eat their own to survive. I say to Roman, good riddance to bad rubbish, the Academy has no true honor, it’s all just PR.


Link to her blog here: https://samanthageimer.wordpress.com/

No one has been listening to her in all of this. No one! California will never ever end this because it looks good on their books despite the fact both the Swiss and German courts have told them to end it.

With Cosby I stand by him. None of those women told the truth. Constand the least of them all. You cannot claim abuse when you keep accepting calls, calling them, accepting money for whatever, going to his house, going to his concerts, etc. As for Weinstein he was equally bitchy with his male workers so why aren't they being allowed to speak out? Why is it only the women matter?

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It's only right to consider the victims wishes but how exactly does letting a convicted sex offender jump bail look 'good on their books'? And what business is it of Swiss or German courts?

He pleaded guilty. He was convicted. He ran away and never served his sentence. Funnily enough courts don't tend to like people doing that.

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Once again R-E-A-D what I said above. Polanski never jumped bail. No bail was ever posted for him because he was always there for his court appearances per both Samantha Geimer and her attorney and the district attorney at the time Roger Gunson. The reason he left was because the judge Laurence Rittenband renegged TWICE on the plea agreement hammered out by the original prosecutor Roger Gunson, Samantha Geimer, her parents of which her father was a lawyer, her lawyer Lawrence Silver and Polanski's attorney Douglas Dalton. Polanski was to serve at time for as long as it took to conduct a psychological work up of him before the final sentencing would occur.

He only ran when the judge refused to honour the plea agreement, but instead grandstanded due to pressure he was receiving from his country club. Funnily enough courts tend to sign off pretty fast on plea agreements, but not in this case where the judge was a publicity seeker. You want to know what happened, read this series of articles from the court reporter who knew the participants:

https://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/category/roman-polanski/

Read what Mr. Brenneman has to say on Judge Rittenband and why Polanski ran. According to both Samantha Geimer, her attorney and the original prosecutor, they understand why Polanski did what he did. Again facts matter.

As for the Swiss and the German courts, they asked for testimony from the original prosecutor Roger Gunson who gave a deposition due to his failing health. In that deposition he recounted what actually happened in chambers where the judge held everyone hostage to his own hubris. When the United States filed extradition charges for the Swiss and German courts, they funnily enough left out Gunson's deposition recounting that Polanski had served his sentence. That being the 42 day psychiatric evaluation in Chino State Prison and all that was left was the final sentencing. That final sentencing should have been a slam dunk, however, Rittenband renegged not once, but twice. Unheard of. So due to the failure to include Gunson's deposition and the fact that it was shown Polanski did serve his time, the Swiss Justice Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf and the German justice both denied the extradition request citing the United States' court failing to produce the relevant documents. See that's what is called being honest, but then there has been nothing honest about the Los Angeles Superior Court in this case. Just as Samantha Geimer who has begged them for the last two decades to end the case. The judge who is presiding over this case is Judge Espinoza. When the case went to the higher circuit court, they advised Espinoza to sentence Polanski in absentia and be done with the case. When it went back to Espinoza against Geimer's wishes, refused to apply the circuit court's remedy. Instead he like Rittenband grandstanded and still the case is not closed. This is all on California, not Polanski.

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And if you had R-E-A-D my posts you'd see both my posts were written before you started making your deranged defences of a self confessed statutory rapist.

And it again, it doesn't matter what the Swiss or German courts have said: they do not have jurisdiction in California. That is it. The be all and end all. And no amount of wordpress documents can ever ever change that.

Yes, facts do matter. Let's look at them shall we?

He took naked photos of a child.
He provided access to drugs to a child.
He gave alcohol to a child.
He had sex with a child.
She has testified that he raped her.
He pleaded guilty to sex with a minor.
He left the country prior to sentencing.
He is on record as saying people are only mad at him because 'everybody likes to sleep with young girls and they're just jealous!'.

None of this is in dispute... maybe the judge *is* an arsehole, maybe he *was* going to stitch Polanski up but nothing can ever change the fact the guy is a grade A scumbag.

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Glad to see someone talking sense...

I have never understood how a single person in the world could defend Polanski but he seems to have a whole host of people ready to drop all semblance of reason in order to justify his actions and I have never understood it. He's not even that good a director! I've seen four of his films; China town, which was good but it has a great screenplay/cast and you'd have to really do something special to mess that up, then there's Pirates, Bitter moon and the 9th Gate all of which are comically bad in parts. Maybe the Piano and Rosemary's Baby are masterpieces but at the very best he's wildly inconsistent - he's not exactly Kubrick/Scorsese. Not that would be any kind of excuse but it would explain why people are so eager to go out to bat for him.

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Yep. We seem to be capable of blinding ourselves to anything if we really want to.

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>>>He took naked photos of a child.<<<

Photos both she and her mother agreed to despite what she wants to say now. What about the photos photographer Sean Kinney took in December 1976 before Polanski. Betcha didn't know about him now did ya.

>>>He provided access to drugs to a child.<<<

Information drop here for you: Her older sister was in and out of rehab for Quaalude addiction due to her mother's boyfriend who kept them in the house. Geimer admitted to having taken Quaaludes several times when she was nine and ten. Blame for the mother here? Likely none. The Quaalude (note here 1 Quaalude) was in a medicine chest in Nicholson's bathroom. She identified it to the court during her Grand Jury testimony as Rhorer777 because she was well acquainted with the brand since she'd seen it at her home due to mommy's boyfriend's drugs. The 1 tablet was broken into quarters. Polanski took a quarter and she grabbed a quarter. Hardly providing access since mommy seemed okay with having boyfriend having them around the house with a youngster. The hypocrisy.

>>>He gave alcohol to a child.<<<

According to eye witness testimony from actress Anjelica Houston, Polanski asked if Nicholson had anything to drink. Houston said there was Champagne in the fridge. The bottle was three quarters full. According to both Houston and Polanski three flutes were poured at a quarter each. One Houston drank, the next Polanski sipped, the next Geimer barely touched. The bottle was left with a quarter in the bottle. When police raided the house the next day they found the bottle with a quarter left in the bottle. The bottle can be seen in this photo:

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According to Geimer's testimony and subsequent statements she was very well versed with alchohol since she'd admitted to having gotten drunk several times from ages 9-12. No vitriol for mommy?

>>>He had sex with a child.<<<
So did at least six other guys. Seems Polanski's attorney and investigators had found at least three men who may have had sex with Geimer before Polanski including her own 18 year-old boyfriend whose name was Steve Kronblett. Kronblett when questioned said they'd had sex. In her book she fully admitted to having had sex with at least five other guys. The possible three before Polanski and two after. Seems she also likes getting gifts for "giving it up". On eof those men also happened to be the father of her first child, Sam Broward. Seems she always looked up to her mother who'd had her sister at sixteen so Geimer herself wanted to have a child at that age. Sam Broward was in his mid twenties. Facts matter.... but only if it's Polanski you want to pillory.

>>>She has testified that he raped her.<<<

If you've been with this case for as long as I have (since 1977) you'd know she's said many things about what it was or wasn't. If you'd read through this page:

http://polanski-oddmanout.blogspot.ca/2011/03/chapter-4-anatomy-of-lies.html
You'd have seen she has a huge credibility problem. She contradicts herself on many fronts, not to mention she negates any of the other men she'd been with before Polansksi and certainly calls her free sex romps with other guys after as her "excercising her sexual liberation". Something she notes quite frequently throughout her book. No, in fact she delights in her open sexual freedom.

>>>He pleaded guilty to sex with a minor.<<<

He plead guilty to ONE COUNT OF UNLAWFUL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A MINOR, not rape. He refused to cop to that and he's never called it rape becuase that's not what it was. And she knows it hence her support of him. Tell me if you recall a "rape" victim ever calling her rapist by his first name and openly supporting his Oscar nomination in 2003, his win, and his bid for clemency in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, aaaaaaand 2018. Then her little message to the Academy about their disgraceful expulsion of him from their ranks. What "rape" victim would support their rapist all this time and even make that statement? Oh those pesky details you and others seem to want to forget when it's convenient.

>>>He left the country prior to sentencing.<<<
He fled because of the fact he'd heard the judge who'd been critical of him and who'd renegged TWICE on the plea deal was going to sentence him to further prison time. This would have been AGAINST the probation report and all three psychological reports from COURT APPOINTED specialists. No one wanted Polanski to serve any time including Geimer, her mother and her lawyer father. Again those details. They're inconvenient I know, but please try to keep up. District Attorney Roger Gunson said, he wasn't surprised he ran based on the judge's mishandling of the case. Geimer had this to say:

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(Geimer) I was young, but the way I felt was, the judge was enjoying the publicity, and he didn't care about what happened to me, and he didn't care about what happened to Polanski. He was, like, orchestrating some little show, you know, that I didn't want to be in. It was wrong, outrageous, but nevertheless, he (Polanski) was supposed to be treated fairly in court, and he clearly was not. I'm not surprised that he left under those circumstances.[/i]

It's pretty bad when the mother, the father, the original prosecuting attorney, the attorney for the so-called victim and the so-called victim herself state that his running was completely understandable. Doesn't sound like rape now does it? Oh wait, gotta believe the lies the media has spread lo these many 41 years. Can't look at these statements and think there was something else up.

He is on record as saying people are only mad at him because 'everybody likes to sleep with young girls and they're just jealous!'.

And he was right. According to email conversations I had with the blogger at that page I directed you to, to read up on the judge at the heart of this case, Richard Brenneman said to me that he knew Rittenband had young lovers other than the 18 year-old he had in his bed and the 22 year-old he had cooking his meals. Brenneman said he knew of Rittenband's proclivity for younger girls but couldn't print that. So what Polanski said was right. And that was not the quote Polanski said.

[i]““If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But… fucking, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to fuck young girls. Juries want to fuck young girls. Everyone wants to fuck young girls!”” – Roman Polanski, 1979


And he was right. John Derek escaped to Germany with the 15 year-old Cathleen Collins during the 70s and didn't come back to the States until she was 18 and rechristened Bo Derek. It should be noted John Derek didn't face any backlash for it when he should have been arrested upon re-entry to the country for running off with a minor. Lana Wood, sister of the late Natalie has said actor Kirk Douglas violently raped her then 15 year-old sister and sent her to the hospital with injuries that needed stitching up, including a bad tear to her vaginal opening. Seems Douglas is beyond the scope of justice for this crime. Can't touch him he's an icon and the patriarch of an actor family. But hey let's keep harping on the funny little Polish guy with the funny name. Aaaaaand then there's Jimmy Page who had a ten year affair with Lori Mattix also known as Sol Star who was 13 when she hooked up with him. Seems her mother approved and had no issues with her being with Page. But again, let's harp on the funny guy with the funny name. Can't attack rock gods now, can we?

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Funny none of the other men did face justice. Only Polanski. Wonder why? The bigger fish?

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Once more, Polanski didn't get away with it. He was made to be the exception rather than the rule. The Appellate Court gave the lower court an out as far as this case is concerned in sentencing him in absentia. They've chosen not to take it because if they did, they'd be denied the perp walk. The crime here is that NO ONE IS LISTENING TO SAMANTHA GEIMER. She doesn't want him to face further punishment. She doesn't want him to be punished anymore. The purpose of the victim impact statement is to have input from the victim. They're not listening to her. She wants this case closed with Polanski exonerated....something she's been campaigning for lo these many two decades. Read that again she wants him EXONERATED and the charges dropped.

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He DIDN'T GET AWAY WITH IT YOU GIT. Samantha Geimer had this to say on her own effing blog. Read the part where SHE says he SERVED HIS TIME!!!!!!! Actually READ IT!!!! She even calls him ROMAN. What victim of rape calls their rapist by their FIRST FRIGGING NAME!!!!! All of you are wrong for continuing to beat that drum he never paid. He did. He served more time in the California corrections system than any other man from 1976-1978 charged under the same offense. Only ONE man served time for that offense in California from 1976-1978. Of the 44 men who were charged ROMAN POLANSKI is the only one who served time. The Swiss and Polish authorities who undertook the extradition request from the United States DENIED the request based on two things, 1) the fact the United States were not forthcoming with certain documents they needed to assess the request, and 2) That Polanski had served 42 days in prison.

https://samanthageimer.wordpress.com/2018/05/03/so-you-want-to-know-what-i-think/

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by samgeimer in Uncategorized

The Academy’s decision highlights the need for the misconduct and corruption in this case, not only in 1977, but as it has continued to this day, be IMMEDIATELY investigated. The Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office has refused to pursue justice, instead it continues to cover up the illegal and inappropriate activity in the Court, and in particular, its own office. DAs are not elected to seek the limelight celebrity cases afford them as preferable to serving the public interest. The disgusting behavior in the Los Angeles Districts Attorney’s office helped create today’s trend of accusations being the same as convictions, our Courts are diminished by their actions.



As for the Academy expelling a member who 41 years ago pleaded guilty to a single charge and served his sentence, it is an ugly and cruel action which serves only appearance. It does nothing to change the sexist culture in Hollywood today and simply proves that they will eat their own to survive. I say to Roman, good riddance to bad rubbish, the Academy has no true honor, it’s all just PR.

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READ WHAT SAMANTHA GEIMER HAS TO SAY ON THE MATTER. "Walls of text"..... Wow, lazy much.

Okay for your simplistic brain structure. Here's one paragraph. Simple to read:

As for the Academy expelling a member who 41 years ago pleaded guilty to a single charge and served his sentence, it is an ugly and cruel action which serves only appearance. It does nothing to change the sexist culture in Hollywood today and simply proves that they will eat their own to survive. I say to Roman, good riddance to bad rubbish, the Academy has no true honor, it’s all just PR.

Did you see the part where SHE says he was punished and served his sentence? Likely not. Your types only see what you want to see, not what FACT.

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Blah, blah, blah..... She is very much involved in this. And no, she's not sick of being asked the same questions over and over and over again. In fact, she rather likes being on television and being asked about "that afternoon" otherwise she wouldn't be CAMPAIGNING ON POLANSKI'S BEHALF.

I don't care to read the other drivel you wrote.

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Thought you'd given up on me?

No. People like you are always desperate to have the last word.

I don't even know where to begin with critiquing your points - they are so devoid of logic and I hate to say it, morality, that it just doesn't seem worth it but as I'm a big fan of St Jude I'm going to give it a try.

1. It doesn't matter even if she or her mother agreed to it - it is not acceptable to take sexual photos of a child.
2. It doesn't matter even if she was scagged up to the eyeballs on heroin - it is not acceptable to allow a child access to drugs.
3. It doesn't matter even if she only had a bit of alcohol - it isn't acceptable to give a child alcohol with the intent of lowering their inhibitions so as to sleep with them.
4. It doesn't matter even if she was sexually active - It does not make it ok to sleep with a child. I can't believe I have to actually write this!
5. It doesn't matter even if she has a credibility problem, this was her testimony as it was recorded by the court. For a crime he pleaded guilty to.
6. He plead guilty to "ONE COUNT OF UNLAWFUL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A MINOR" Yes. Exactly! A serious crime. And I never said he plead guilty to rape so stop attempting to rebut points that haven't been made.
7. It doesn't matter what the judge did or didn't do, nobody gets to just run away. You go to the court. You get sentenced. If the sentence is unfair you appeal. Nobody gets to be above the law because they're rich and famous enough to flee to another country.
8. As SammyJackson says - it doesn't matter what happened in those other cases. Are you saying that nobody can now ever be tried for child rape because Kirk Douglas *may* have gotten away with rape?

And what are you on about saying 'the polish guy with the funny name', implying that has anything to do with is. He won an oscar didn't he? Whilst literally being on the run for being a self confessed child fucker. Some discrimination!

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Just shut the eff up. I don't care what you have to say in the least. Why? You clearly don't care to actually understand the case, nor have you LISTENED to Geimer. Seems you cherry pick the bits you like and discard the rest. You clearly don't care. So unless you're willing to come back with some sort of middle of the road stance, don't answer me. In fact, put me in ignore.

I told you about the lack of evidence. Without his admitting to having had sex NOT RAPE with her, then there would have been no case because the EVIDENCE does not back her up. Never has. Never will. The stain on the panties she said she wore when they were collected by of all people Phillip Vannatter (the one who carried around that vial of OJ's blood from Parker Center to the two crime scenes) contained one stain. That stain did not match Polanski at all. In face they were from a sterile man. From what I've heard her mother's boyfriend had had a vasectomy. And lastly there was a point in the case when an aide for the district attorney Roger Gunson saw a scene of the mother's boyfriend and Samantha sitting outside the DA's office in a very compromising position. When he reported it to Judge Rittenband, he dismissed it as "not relevant" to the case. Seems everything in Polanski's favour he dismissed. Everything in her favour. And he called the probation report and THREE psychiatric reports whitewashes. All four reports said the VICTIM AND HER PARENTS DID NOT WANT INCARCERATION. That is what is classed as a victim impact statement. Something Polanski's mother-in-law Doris Tate campaigned for in the aftermath of her daughter Sharon's vicious murder. Victim Impact Statements are supposed to mean something. Continually this court has failed to LISTEN to Geimer when she's asked for closure.

Lastly you've failed to address the remedy the Appellate court demanded in order to close the case. That of sentencing in absentia. One of the other reasons both the Polish and Swiss courts refused the extradition request. You hold Polanski accountable for not returning to face sentencing, when the remedy that has been addressed by Geimer and her legal side as fair and even, would be the absentia sentencing.

You clearly only want to talk about the "bad bad bad" thing Polanski did, not to the egregious conduct of a supreme court judge and the subsequent illegal practices of the court the Appellate Court said showed egregious misconduct. So sorry to burst your effing bubble. Samantha Geimer has stated she wants and end to it WITHOUT POLANSKI FACING FURTHER HARM OR JEOPARDY. The "victim" wants the "offender" to not face further jeopardy. So tell me again how it's rape? Despite whether a 13 year-old can consent does not speak to the fact that 13 year-olds were hanging out on the Sunset Strip all the time. Different time. Different age. Seems today's faux social justice warriors want to change history to suit their indignity. Something Geimer today says is wrong. She refuses to allow these people to tell her it was something when it wasn't. And the only way it was illegal was in the underage sex. Hence the MISDEMEANOR Polanski was charged with. Statistics stated that there was only one man who ever served time in 1976, 1977, and 1978 for ONE COUNT OF UNLAWFUL SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A MINOR.... and that man was Roman Polanski. Between those three years there were 44 men charged with the same offense. None of the other men served any prison or jail time.... except Roman Polanski.

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And lastly - because the conversation actually makes me feel a little ill - I need to say this:

He had already copped a sweetheart deal, no doubt thanks to his fame, money and expensive lawyers. He thought he was going to get away without having to spend a single day in jail (proper actual jail as a convicted sex offender, not psychiatric evaluation) but when he heard there was a THEORETICAL risk that the judge MIGHT jail him he upped and ran. Now in your own words you describe the judge as 'disgusting' for the theoretical crime of jailing someone guilty of sex with a child for longer than he should. That in your eyes is 'disgusting'. But sex with a child is... ok? No biggie? Everyone was doing it!

Take a breath. Step back. Clear your mind. And think about what you're actually saying. Even if you accept all the mitigating factors as true he is still guilty - beyond all doubt - of being 57 shades in the wrong. So what are you doing wasting your time passionately arguing for the right of rich celebrities to fuck children and get away with it for?

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There isn't much I'd add to your post, it's pretty much perfect.
Were you on IMDb ?

Here is my take, Polanski has had a tumultuous life, a tragic one, we all know what happened.
Some might think he's paid..I'm still thinking, because I don't know what the rules are.Does having your wife and her unborn child murdered excuse you from aberrations?

Like I said I don't know.This one has always been troubling, an over ambitious mum basically pimping out her child.A child she had sexualized and introduced to alcohol and drugs.

The bottom line is that a 13 year old cannot consent to sex.
A drugged or drunk person cannot consent to sex.

I'd say that Polanski was definitely guilty of abusing a 13 year old, but I don't think he was the only one.



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You're operating on the notion she was drugged and drunk. No on both fronts. You've seemed to gloss over what I said about no FORENSIC proof of intercourse at all. Apparently there was no fluids in her, on her, or around her. The forensics contradicts everything she said happened. Therefore the burden of proof falls to her and her side to prove it happened. They can't and couldn't therefore the plea bargain ALL sides with the exception of the judge (twice) agreed to. Do you get it yet? As for the "over ambitious mother pimping her out". Seems mommy couldn't keep much of a reign on that one. In her book, which I've read by the way, she claims she did what she wanted when she wanted to do it. That does not seem like a "scared little victim". According to three women she acted like Polanski's lover. Those women are actresses Jackie Bisset who's home they went to earlier in the afternoon for test shots. Bisset said she was all over Polanski like salad dressing. Next was Nicholson's caretaker and actress Helena K who said she was not sheepish at all about being again "all over Polanski". Then there was Anjelica Houston who said she was not crying when she came out of the room they had sex in. According to Houston, and she's the one we should listen to the most, she said she appeared to be between 18-25 as she was tall and very well developed. Houston also said she was very talkative that supports Polanski's side and goes against Geimer's who said she was withdrawn and crying and "all I wanted to do was get out of there". According to Houston, Geimer stood petting Houston's dog and was a regular chatty Cathy. She had this to say about Geimer:



“She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between – could be between any age up to 25… You know, she did not look like a 13-year-old little scared thing, you know. She seemed quite tall to me… she seemed pretty well developed girl. I would have not thought that she was 13.… I would say anywhere, you know, between 18, around that age, up, late teens she looked to me.” – Anjelica Huston, quoted by probation report, page 13-14


“The witness [Kalliniotes, the housekeeper, who poured Samantha champagne] stated… she thought she was approximately 18 years old” – probation report, pages 12-13


And here is from the Judge himself:

“A well-developed young girl who looked older than her years, and regrettably was not unschooled in sexual matters”; “not an inexperienced and unsophisticated young girl” – Judge Rittenband quoted by The Spokesman-Review - Sep 20, 1977

So keep drumming that beat that she was this "poor helpless little victim". She wasn't. She used to skip school to go smoke pot with her friends. Her words from her book. She also apparently was quite sexual. And again you've failed to note what I said about the other guys all over the age of 18 who'd had sex with her other than Polanski. Are they not rapists also? Apparently she doesn't think so. One of them is the father of her oldest son, Sam Broward. So are you going to tell her her first husband and father of her oldest is a rapist? Please do.


“She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between – could be between any age up to 25… You know, she did not look like a 13-year-old little scared thing, you know. She seemed quite tall to me… she seemed pretty well developed girl. I would have not thought that she was 13.… I would say anywhere, you know, between 18, a

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It doesn't matter one jot how sexually precocious she was or how old she looked. Having sexual relations with a child under the age of consent IS rape and yes that would include any other man she had sex with.
Why? Because a person under the age of consent is unable to give consent.
Even if she begged him to, it's still wrong.
The only blurred line would be had he believed her to be older.

Now I don't believe I've ever described her as a "poor helpless victim", so please don't put words in my mouth.

The bottom line is that an adult had sex with a child, that does make her the 'victim'. I think you may be getting hung up on the idea that it wasn't rape as you know it or as you imagine it perhaps as a violent act which leaves the victim devastated. I think the girl has herself noted that she doesn't want to be seen as a victim and that the subsequent notoriety of the case was perhaps more damaging or equally so.

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Thank you.

I was on imdb yes (before those twats closed the boards - never been back since.)

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Again someone with little actual understanding on the case or Polanski's financial status at the time. In the aftermath of Sharon Tate, his unborn son, and friends' senseless slaughter... Polanski signed away his rights to Sharon Tate's estate to her father Colonel Paul Tate. After those responsible for the murders of both the Tate/LaBianca victims were found he left the United States (October 1969) as the raids on both Barker and Myers ranches happened on October 15, 1969. By November there were at least six people indicted on the murders. Polanski left shortly after that. It was well known he led a vagabond life, never settling in one place for long and due to his lack of money stayed with friends for most of that time. He never went back to the Mews House in London he shared with Tate because of the memories. Most of the money he had from directing his films he gave to friends who needed it more than he did. Oh, it should be noted that Paul Tate, Sharon's father, was a part of the Military Intelligence wing of the Army. Do you honestly think that if he believed Polanski was a rapist/child molester he'd have allowed Polanski to live? It was well known he had a hit on the main members of the Manson family who took part in the murder of his daughter and unborn grandson. So you decide if you believe Colonel Tate was complicit in Polanski's "buggery". By the way he also had Polanski investigated by his buddies within the intelligence branch and found nothing illegal or bad in Polanski's background. Same thing the probation and psychiatric reports found. But hey, don't let that hit you in your face. Wouldn't want that bit of information to rock your self righteousness.

When a forensic evaluation was taken on Polanski's finances for the court it was found he had exactly $60,000.00 to his name. That is SIXTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. This according to the COURT TRANSCRIPTS. The lawyer he had in Douglas Dalton was paid for by producer Robert Evans and Dino DeLaurentis. Polanski promised to pay both of them back. And he did TWENTY YEARS LATER.

Take a breath, step back and realize I know more about this case than you do. If you accept that this case is not all black and white, then we've got a discussion. If you only see YOUR VERSION of it, then step the hell off your soap box and READ what I've posted. Was he guilty of what the probation report cited as "transient bad judgement". Yes. But for the court including the judge to go above and beyond the sentencing guidelines at the time was not only punitive, but earth shattering and here's hoping you don't end up in such a place as Polanski and have people believe it's all black and white. This isn't about "rich celebrities being able to fuck children". This is about a day and age where the social and societal whitewashing of today, fail to note that most of these young girls and men were seeking out these rich celebrities to latch onto. Hence my mention of Lori Mattix who from the age of 13-21, had an affair with rocker Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin..... and no one batted an eye including the cops and former cops Page had as security who knew Mattix's age. Same with Judge Rittenband who as I stated before in my conversation with Richard Brenneman, said he believed had underage lovers. Talk about the pot meeting the kettle.

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Dirty old bugger, about bloody time! I wonder how Meryl Streep, Whoopi Goldberg and the other liberal hypocrites feel now?

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Water under the bridge as far as they're concerned. Probably hoping this won't be too loud a story but they know. They all know just how cannibalistic they and the rest of hypocrite Hollywood are. How they all of a sudden pretend to value consent and respect for women when they have perpetuated a rape culture within their own backyard in silence while they preach to us the lowly commoner about how important it is to prop women up. Women can't be empowered if women with power refuse to speak out against this predatory behavior. All this blame they dump on men for it and yet the women that took money and sat in silence are just as complicit in it unwilling to give up their lavish lifestyles in order to do practice what they preach. For all the bitching about the patriarchy, they certainly had no problems at all getting on their knees to give daddy patriarchy a nice sloppy blowjob after he promises them riches and wealth do they?

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I haven't read all the comments, but I was wondering the same thing myself. They've known about this for decades and even gave him an Oscar, but NOW they want to kick him out? I'm glad he was kicked out, but this also displays what hypocrites the members of the Academy really are.

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There are a lot of "pedos" then who should be kicked out. Starting with Louis B. Mayer who hit on the then 10 year old Shirley Temple.

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"There are a lot of "pedos" then who should be kicked out. Starting with Louis B. Mayer who hit on the then 10 year old Shirley Temple."


Dig that son of a bitch up and stomp him back into his grave!!!!!!

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Yeah, I've heard some messed up things about Louis B. Mayer. He did not look after the stars at all. They were merely a means to keep him rich. I believe he's even responsible for Judy Garland's pill addiction.

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@Spanners

Do you see what I was talking about?

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Doesn't he mostly make European movies now anyway?

Still one of the top filmmakers active today...

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Should have known you'd be a Polanski fan Renovatio.

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I'm a fan of his work (Chinatown, Ninth Gate, The Ghost Writer, etc...) but NOT an apologist for his behaviour and actions...

He should be brought to court...

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If you're a fan of his work then you should have been following the case. And in case you haven't, here's a little message from Samantha Geimer. You might note she says a little something about his having SERVED HIS SENTENCE meaning HE WAS BROUGHT TO COURT AND SERVED ACTUAL TIME IN PRISON.

So you want to know what I think?

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by samgeimer in Uncategorized

The Academy’s decision highlights the need for the misconduct and corruption in this case, not only in 1977, but as it has continued to this day, be IMMEDIATELY investigated. The Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office has refused to pursue justice, instead it continues to cover up the illegal and inappropriate activity in the Court, and in particular, its own office. DAs are not elected to seek the limelight celebrity cases afford them as preferable to serving the public interest. The disgusting behavior in the Los Angeles Districts Attorney’s office helped create today’s trend of accusations being the same as convictions, our Courts are diminished by their actions.

As for the Academy expelling a member who 41 years ago pleaded guilty to a single charge and served his sentence, it is an ugly and cruel action which serves only appearance. It does nothing to change the sexist culture in Hollywood today and simply proves that they will eat their own to survive. I say to Roman, good riddance to bad rubbish, the Academy has no true honor, it’s all just PR.


https://samanthageimer.wordpress.com/2018/05/03/so-you-want-to-know-what-i-think/

My god no one reads anything I post. If you had you'd have seen this posted already saying HE SERVED HIS SENTENCE AS AGREED TO IN THE PLEA BARGAIN ALL SIDES EXCEPT A CROOKED JUDGE AGREED TO.

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Well... I watch movies, but don't follow celebrity news...

I don't know enough of the details about what he was charged with and what the courts decided and his legal status...

My point is that the courts are generally where this should play out rather than in media...

I just think he makes good movies, but that he shouldn't be above the law and that the law is where this should be resolved... again, without knowing anything about the case...

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What you and others are not understanding is he was not above the law. He was treated abysmally by a judge who was courting fame off of this case. Judge Rittenband was no stranger to fame seeking. He presided over the divorce of Elvis Presley and Priscilla. He courted fame then. He also courted with mobsters and fixers for mobsters. One of his best friends was a man named Korshack who was the lawyer for of all people Al Capone. This judge had no right to undo the plea bargain. No right. You're right the law is where this should be resolved, however, there is still rampant misconduct within that legal body where this case lies. Did you read what I've posted about what Samantha Geimer said about the illegalities in this case to do with the judge? If you haven't, read what she had to say about Polanski's expulsion:

https://samanthageimer.wordpress.com/2018/05/03/so-you-want-to-know-what-i-think/

So you want to know what I think?

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by samgeimer in Uncategorized

The Academy’s decision highlights the need for the misconduct and corruption in this case, not only in 1977, but as it has continued to this day, be IMMEDIATELY investigated. The Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office has refused to pursue justice, instead it continues to cover up the illegal and inappropriate activity in the Court, and in particular, its own office. DAs are not elected to seek the limelight celebrity cases afford them as preferable to serving the public interest. The disgusting behavior in the Los Angeles Districts Attorney’s office helped create today’s trend of accusations being the same as convictions, our Courts are diminished by their actions.



As for the Academy expelling a member who 41 years ago pleaded guilty to a single charge and served his sentence, it is an ugly and cruel action which serves only appearance. It does nothing to change the sexist culture in Hollywood today and simply proves that they will eat their own to survive. I say to Roman, good riddance to bad rubbish, the Academy has no true honor, it’s all just PR.


Read what she has to say on it all. She has constantly stated the legal system hurt her more than Polanski. This isn't about underage sex with a willing minor, this is about treating someone fairly under that law. He was not treated fairly. The judge renegged TWICE on the plea deal only because he was getting pressure from his country club. He is a judge, not a schmoozer. He should have been impartial. Instead he was punitive. That is not the law. That is a star chamber.

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