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It's a myth that the black person dies first in horror movies.


The first person to die in "Scream" wasn't black. The first person to die in "The Conjuring" wasn't black. The first person to die in "Halloween" wasn't black. The first person to die in "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" wasn't black. The first person to die in "The Evil Dead" wasn't black. The first person to die in "Friday the 13th" wasn't black. The first person to die in "A Nightmare on Elm St." wasn't black. The first person to die in "Hellraiser" wasn't black. See? Black people weren't being hired so there's no way they were killed off first.

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😑

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Still have that shoe up your ass?

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never mind true or false , Is that even a thing ?

who is saying "black person dies first in horror movies." ?

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I don’t think they were always killed first, more so that they never made it to “final girl” or guy status throughout the 80s.

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well yes, that was true .
That has now been corrected , and a certain demographic is apoplectic with rage about it.

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There have also been movies such as Night of the Living Dead 1968, Dawn of the dead 1978, day of the dead 1985, the Thing 1980, Nightmare of elm street 3. Just off the top of my head where a black character has made it to the end.

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Your right. I was speaking more of the slasher genre. I’d like to add Lenzi’s giallo Eyeball (1975) to your list.

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It’s been a trope forever, I’m surprised you’ve never heard of this. I think it’s been stated outright a bunch of times since the 2000s when horror movies started to become more self aware. But there are surprisingly few examples for something that is such a prominent trope.

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Ok, that was awesome!! 😂😂 I don't care if it's labeled Racist or not. Sit these people down and watch the 1982 movie "48 HOURS" and see what Racist & Funny are

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I miss the days when we could all laugh at each other. People have turned into a bunch of Kowalskis and get offended at things that aren't even offensive.

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So says the worst victim-card-playing-whiner on this board. 🙄

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How did you manage to escape the "sickening clique", man who apparently never plays victim?

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Instant response from you as I expected, because you've never been able to handle my criticisms of you.

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You responded to me 6 minutes after my last post. That was only two minutes longer than when I replied to you.

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How did I escape the sickening clique? It looks like a number of members have disappeared from it, either voluntarily or by being banned.

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That's how you escaped it. You just answered it. By the way, I found that thread where you gave shit to numerous users on this site for absolutely no reason. You know, the one you claimed didn't exist.

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Yeah, I did answer it. It was a combination of karma and substantiation by the mods that did the banning.

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Well then, let's see a link to that thread.

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I'll do even better. I took a screenshot of some of those exact examples I gave you acting like an asshole to people. At least this way, you can't go back to the thread and edit it to make yourself look less like an asshole.

Here's you acting like an asshole to BillHicksFan
https://ibb.co/mSHw8SC

Here is you actual like an asshole to Wint3rFir3 for reasons I have no idea why.
https://ibb.co/TqSSPJm

This you giving shit to AndyKing1967 for absolutely no reason even after you claimed you always got along with him despite disagreements.
https://ibb.co/25XVMnG

actionkamen getting a smartass response to you for no reason.
https://ibb.co/HGCNPMC

There's more of you giving shit to tcrum and MillerJones.

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I’m cool 😎 It was 2 years ago. Things have moved on.

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But he claimed it never happened other than disagreements. It wasn't even a disagreement in that post, he was being an asshole.

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You should take a cue from AK. Yeah, "things have moved on" and he and I have had some fun, great exchanges since then. But you're incapable of that because you're a pathetic, chronic whiner who likes to lick his imaginary wounds. And yeah, they WERE disagreements. I see much worse bickering and contrary comments on this board on a daily basis. Speaking of being an asshole, go look in the mirror. You actually went back two years, cherry picking isolated comments, deluded in your thinking that you're building some sort of a case against me. What a petty, enormous waste of time. 🙄 You're clearly also an obsessed nutcase. And you wonder why I'm critical of you.

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ALSO...HE HAS NO BALLS...JUST A DANGLING FLAP OF SKIN WHERE HUMAN TESTICLES WOULD NORMALLY RESIDE.

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Eww! Long distant Cuz, that vision will stay in my head tonight. I have no skin in this testosterone game, but out of curiosity would he still need a loin cloth…or a jock strap? 🤭 I can just see him swinging through the trees doing the Tarzan yell. If you listen closely you can hear the sound of flap, flap, flap..

I’m sorry samoan the devil made me say it.

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Comparing punk ass joes to Tarzan is a helluva stretch, kap.

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Have you ever given thought to becoming a Viking?

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Actually, this is a favorite movie from my youth:
https://moviechat.org/tt0052365/The-Vikings. I have always especially loved Kirk Douglas in it because he resembles my brother who passed away at too young of an age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyk9UScz4_8

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😂FLAP, FLAP, FLAP....LMAO...AWESOME.



PRETTY SURE HE WEARS G STRINGS.

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And…out of the deep dark jungle comes the cry of the hockey bird…”AW SHIT!”

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Are you sure it wasn’t fap-fap-fap!

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Thanks for this comment. I now have this stuck in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0n9Dv6XnY

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Dammit! It begins to open then freezes. Attempt to send the link again. YouTube has become very testy of late. 😡

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I'm just sending the audio version...hopefully it works for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkmgcvr5Ezc

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It does have a beat. I can see how it would stick in your head. Did ya notice the guy has a flap…or maybe I need new eyewear. 🤭🙇🏼‍♀️

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🤣🤣🤣

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And apparently, no "swinging dick" either (pun appropriate to the Tarzan analogy). 😆

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You should take a cue from AK. Yeah, "things have moved on" and he and I have had some fun, great exchanges since then.

And yet here you are starting another argument with me. You responded to me here before I responded to you, remember? Also, the comment with Andy was to refute your claims you made once how anytime you go after someone, it's because they deserve it. There's no way anyone who read that thinks Andy should have been criticized.
But you're incapable of that because you're a pathetic, chronic whiner who likes to lick his imaginary wounds.

I just sent you 4 screenshots of you doing exactly what you just said here.
You actually went back two years

No I didn't. A few months ago I mentioned this discussion to you before and you claimed it didn't happen. I just proved that it did happen. As I said a few comments above, I finally found it by accident, and these are those comments from that discussion. At the time of these comments, they were only one month old. And don't forget, you were the one who asked me to provide the evidence. I did and you didn't like it.

Hell, even Padeen sent me a comment on that thread wondering why you were such an asshole. You responded like an asshole as usual and this is where you claimed there's nothing random in your criticisms.
https://ibb.co/487DtWs

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Yeah, I took a critical shot at you because I saw your comment as hypocritical. It's you who creates the arguments because you always want to appear as some sort of clever debater, when in reality, you just keep displaying how obsessed and anal-retentive you are. Speaking of AK, he's the only one on that list I have developed a rapport with. The others I just plain dislike and have not interacted with for years now. Padeen just happened to tune into the contempt I have for you. I've had very isolated, both positive and negative exchanges with him. Yeah, there's nothing random in my criticisms of someone. There's always a reason, despite your claims otherwise. "Whaa, db attacks me for no reason whatsoever. See? He's like that with everyone here." 🙄 You even had the gall to try and sell that lie to a mod, who also refuted your claims of them playing favorites here. If you insist on being an attention whore, you're going to have to learn to deal with valid criticism.

I never said it didn't happen. I said I remembered what you were referring to differently. Just another one of your lies and how you like to put a deceitful spin onto one of my comments. And if this is what you were referring to, it just confirms how I remembered it, that you cherry picked certain comments from different threads, completely ignoring context, and conflated them to try to build this supposed case against me.

And now, what makes your comment appear even more hypocritical to me is, how you were lamenting "the good old days" and yet you're trying to dredge up dirt on me from the past. My criticism of you here is in the present, and so is AK's comment. You like to live in the past and like I said, lick your wounds.

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It's you who creates the arguments because you always want to appear as some sort of clever debater, when in reality, you just keep displaying how obsessed and anal-retentive you are.

And yet those links I provided state otherwise. I guess all those people who DM me about your behaviour are wrong. I guess all those people who DM Shogun are wrong too. The common factor here is you.
You even had the gall to try and sell that lie to a mod who also refuted your claims of playing favorites here. If you insist on being an attention whore, you're going to have to learn to deal with valid criticism.

I owned up to that one. But you still continue to make excuses for everyone else.

it just confirms how I remembered it, that you cherry picked certain comments from different threads, completely ignoring context, and conflated them to try to build this case against me.

During that argument I linked you directly to those exact threads for the context. You didn't refute any of them. Literally not even one. You just said the same "it's all cherrypicked" argument.

And now, what now makes your comment appear even more hypocritical to me is how you were lamenting "the good old days" and yet you're dredging up supposed dirt on me from the past

I didn't say the good old days were as recent as two years ago and I also didn't say that I was referring to the good old days of this site.

Seriously, quit the bullshit, db. You're not fooling anyone. How much more evidence do I need to provide that you act like an asshole to so many people here for no reason. You say that I love playing victim, why you complain about some alleged 'sickening clique" that's after you. Quasimodo and tcrum both called you out your behaviour too.
https://ibb.co/KhZsN98

Now you're going to talk about obfuscation and how things are out of context even though I've provided enough examples of it. Get off the internet and go back to your jail cell.

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Hah! I can see I triggered you into your self-assumed "clever debater mode." 😄 I'll indulge you for a bit because I'm presently bored.

Yeah, "all those people"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1_wwr_Slck . 😆

"You're not fooling anyone." There you go again. Presuming to speak for everyone and attempting to rally others against me. Kowalski is right. You've got no balls.

Quasimodo was another very obnoxious troll who disappeared and tcrum and I have developed a rapport, just as AK and I have. You're trying to dredge up dirt, drive a wedge between me and those posters.
You've always been an instigator, rabble-rouser.

Yeah, you are obfuscating! I'm surprised you finally acknowledged that word. Damn if your final comment doesn't reek of desperation. My prison experience was decades ago. I wouldn't be surprised if you've enjoyed movies featuring Danny Trejo and Charles S. Dutton. Both are ex-cons, convicted of worse crimes than mine. I admire and respect them for becoming so successful, more than me, overcoming that in their past. At one point, when I revealed that from my past, you actually claimed you were starting to like me. Now you're trying to use it against me, something I've become conditioned to. It's a cheap, lowlife, desperate tactic. You're a punk and would quickly become punked-out in prison, if you know what I mean.

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"You're not fooling anyone." There you go again. Presuming to speak for everyone and attempting to rally others against me.

You claim to get along with certain users, but then they send me DM's telling me not to listen to you and you're an asshole. You're the one who is speaking for them because they are clearly stating otherwise.

Quasimodo was another very obnoxious troll who disappeared and tcrum and I have developed a rapport, just as AK and I have. You're trying to dredge up dirt, drive a wedge between me and those posters.
You've always been an instigator, rabble-rouser.

I'm not dredging up dirt. You claimed to only attack people when they deserve it. Those screenshots were you attacking people who did not deserve it. And again, you keep claiming you get along with certain posters, and I won't name names, but there's clearly either delusion on your part or lying because a lot of those people say they don't like you.

Yeah, you are obfuscating! I'm surprised you finally acknowledged that word.

I've acknowledge that at least on two separate occasions. I know you're old, but your memory can't be that bad.

My prison experience was decades ago. I wouldn't be surprised if you've enjoyed movies featuring Danny Trejo and Charles S. Dutton. Both are ex-cons, convicted of worse crimes than mine.

Congrats, you didn't kill anyone. Let's throw you a party. And you doing it decades ago isn't the defence you think it is.

At one point when I revealed that from my past, you actually claimed you were starting to like me. Now you're trying to use it against me, something I've become conditioned to.

Yes, and then you started with your bullshit again.

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Actually, it was you who started the bullshit again with your sideways shot at me from your hownos, The Dean, replacement thread. So, it's okay for you to take cheap, indirect shots at me but it's not okay for me to confront and criticize you directly. That's Hypocrisy 101 and another one of your lies I've had to point out.

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“There's no way anyone who read that thinks Andy should have been criticized.”

I transcend criticism 😤

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The best thing to do if you have a disagreement or a difference of opinion with someone is to find some common ground and then focus on that.

Life is too short to bear grudges. Everything is fleeting and one day we will all be gone and all that will remain will be pixels on a computer screen.

I intend to fill my days with a much fun and positivity as I can, whilst I still have a chance.

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I agree, but there comes a time when you need to defend yourself. He wants to keep saying shit, and then complains when someone says something back. There's a reason why I've gotten so many DM's about people upset at him.

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Rather than getting embroiled in a name throwing argument, why not offer an olive branch and give peace a chance ✌️

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He'd set fire to it and claim that I tried to kill him.

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You never know, you might be surprised.

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I MADE FRIENDS WITH DB...WHICH MEANS...ANYONE CAN.

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Just imagine how brilliant GD would be if we all had fun.

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No, there was a time that I mentioned I was going to ignore him, and I completely ignored him for maybe 6 months as he kept coming after me. The fact that he has butt heads with so many people is telling.

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YOU COULD BE THE BETTER "PERSON"...BE FRIENDLY TO HIM AND ALLOW HIM TO MAKE THE ERRORS....IF THAT IS THE CASE.

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I shouldn't have to be the better man. The person in the wrong is the one who is supposed to be the better man. I'm just defending myself.

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I WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH YOU IN THE PAST...I HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK LATELY THOUGH.

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Something I'll give you credit for is, that you seem to handle criticism well. You quickly, briefly deflect it or poke fun at it then go on your way. He's incapable of that. This long, drawn out, whiny argument of his evolved from my simply pointing out something I thought was hypocritical. He insists on being an attention whore yet he's too thin skinned to effectively deal with the slightest criticism.

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But, wouldn’t it be amazing if you were both able to push past that and discuss films, tv, travel etc.

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I can. But at some point when he continues I'm going to have to defend myself.

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You're so full of lying, self pitying shit! This constant, worn out, desperate allegation of my supposedly attacking "so many people" and "so many DMs" you get about me is so fucking preposterous. I'll say it again, I don't interact with enough people here for that to be remotely true. And from those I do, I find it hard to believe they'd be that two-faced and cowardly with me. And isn't it interesting that a number of posters I've butted heads with have been banned or otherwise disappeared?

Anyone going through my posting history can see that my positive contributions on this site far outnumber critical comments I've made.

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my supposedly attacking "so many people

The evidence speaks for itself. tcrum and Quasimodo calling you an asshole isn't "supposed". They literally said it. Padeen called you out, damosuzuki called you out. Shogun called you out, I'm calling you out. The "sickening clique" you speak of isn't a clique, it's individuals holding you accountable.

I find it hard to believe they'd be that two-faced and cowardly with me. And isn't it interesting that a number of posters I've butted heads with have been banned or otherwise disappeared?

I don't care if you believe it. I've seen the DM's. You can plead innocent all you want. And there's still quite a few users here. And maybe some of them disappeared because of users they find "toxic". damosuzki left on his own terms. So did Quasimodo.

Anyone going through my posting history can see that my positive contributions on this site far outnumber critical comments I've made.

This is the same argument Allaby made when people used to call out his questionable posts. Saying, "I'm only an asshole 20% of the time" is a terrible take, db.

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You keep mentioning tcrum yet conveniently ignore that we've had an amicable relationship for quite some time now. Just like with hownos. There was a time when we were seriously butting heads but that worked itself out. And Kowalski. He now routinely refers to me as "friend." Padeen didn't call me out. He just noticed my contempt for you. And I sure as hell don't give a shit about a creep like Quasimodo thinking of me as an asshole. Some of the posters you have mentioned I never even considered being part of the sickening clique.

If you think you're having problems with me now, try comparing me to Allaby once again, creep! 😠

Attention whores tend to get jealous easily. Maybe that's why you insist on trying to undermine my relationships with certain posters. If some previous conflicts have worked themselves out, what is it to you that we once butted heads? And they weren't as one-sided as you persistently claim. "It takes two to tango", as the saying goes. You're such a petty, whiny, inciteful, snake in the grass, the only one on this board like that. Even Yonkers knows when something just isn't worth the hassle anymore.

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You keep mentioning tcrum yet conveniently ignore that we've had an amicable relationship for quite some time now.

And you conveniently ignore that you have claimed this about a lot of people, but people came into my DM's and have stated otherwise. You don't need to convince me. There's a reason why they're sending me a private message rather than make a public post.
Some of the posters you have mentioned I never even considered being part of the sickening clique

Wow, so there's even more than there are in the alleged sickening clique. I'm starting to lose count.
If you think you're having problems with me now, try comparing me to Allaby once again, creep! 😠

Hey, Allaby.
Attention whores tend to get jealous easily. Maybe that's why you insist on trying to undermine my relationships with certain posters.

I haven't undermined anything, nor do I need to when they're the ones telling me.

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Fuck you and your lame, worn out, DM spiel! You keep exaggerating, inflating the number of people involved. According to you it's always "a lot" or "so many." Exaggeration is a form of lying. Insisting on digging up hatchets that are buried IS undermining. I really think you just don't want to see anyone else here getting along with me. With every one of your responses here, you've proven my original criticism that you're "a victim-card-playing whiner" as dead on accurate.

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This is so funny to read when I know the truth.

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Speaking of which, I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in yet

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"He" did. "He" emoji'd.

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THAT WASN'T RACIST...IT WAS FAIRLY DUMB...NOT RACIST THOUGH.

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It was funny and you know deep down you laughed

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NOPE...NOT FUNNY....LONG...WORDY...POORLY CONSTRUCTED AND THE PUNCHLINE IS BUNGLED...IT IS NOT THE joke's WORST...NOT BY A LONGSHOT...BUT IT IS STILL C- MATERIAL.

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It needed to be long. If I only gave two examples, the joke doesn't prove that black people aren't being overlooked for roles.

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I DO NOT DISAGREE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EXAMPLES...IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE "JOKE" AS A WHOLE THAT STINKS.

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How would you have worded it, Kowpieski?

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why do people say the black person always dies first in horror movies?





scream?...the conjuring?...halloween?.....first death did not belong to a black person.


texas chainsaw massacre?...nope.

evil dead?...no.

friday the 13th?...wrong.

a nightmare on elm street?...uh uh.

hellraiser?...nope.





See? a black person can only be the frst to die if you hire one.

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This just sounds like a series of Haikus.

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JOKES ARE POETRY...THEY SHOULD SOUND LOOSE AND FREE FLOWING.

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Now that sounds like your mom's vag.

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OK...I WOULDN'T KNOW...WHAT I DO KNOW IS YOUR POST LOOKS LIKE A JOURNAL ENTRY AND READS LIKE A SURVEY OF THE THIRD GRADE.

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That was definitely a juvenile remark! What y’all post with a dig at each other is one thing, but making a nasty remark about another’s family member is way out of line. Grow up!

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"He's" made fun of my mom, I make fun of "his"mom more. I actually told "him" a few days ago that I would never make fun of "his" actual mom. We both say nonsense to each other. One time "he" told me to hold onto a grenade with the pin pulled out. I know the little bastard doesn't actually want me dead.

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That's incredibly juvenile. MC's Pillar of Morals and Ethics should be treated with much more respect than that, douchebag.

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Of course it's juvenile. Haven't you heard our insults to one another? Kowalski has jokingly wanted me to die. None of us take offence to anything.

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You just woke up?

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Yes.

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I would have raked you over the coals if you denigrated my now deceased beloved Mom! I repeat:”… What y’all post with a dig at each other is one thing…” You don’t go into the gutter about another’s family member…especially a mother! I heard this crap on the PLAYGROUND during recess.

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I wouldn't have made fun of your mother if I knew you couldn't take it. I know Kowalski can take it because he knows I'm not being serious and talking about his actual mom.

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Every one of those movie victims identified as black.

So, uhm, you're wrong.

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#TransracialRightsAreHumanRights.

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Reruns?

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This is an awesome thread.. I can't imagine why Kowalski doesn't appreciate it?? 🤔

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IT'S FINE...I JUST FIND THE joke's DELIVERY TO BE CLUNKY.

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Samoajoes will go places with his humor..

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YUP.


HIS KITCHEN...THE TOILET...TO THE MAILBOX...THE MEDICAL SUPPLY STORE...THE CEMETARY FOR SOME ACTION.


LOTS OF PLACES.

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All of that is what I call your house.

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HIDER IN THE HOUSE!....FUCK YOU,WINGS HAUSER.

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I can only imagine you 2 being stuck on a plane at 30,000 feet going down and only one parachute.. Who gets it?? You or Samoajoes?? 🤔

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I do. The only reason why there's one parachute is because Kowalski forgot "his".

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😂

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I GET THE PARACHUTE...HE IS TOO BUSY GOING DOWN...ON ME.

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Oh SHIT! That’s it! I’m speechless for once!!

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Say what? ”THE CEMETARY FOR SOME ACTION” Surely you jest, distant Pollack Cuz. 😱 He’s into necrophilia? 💀💀💀💀 I never would have thunk it! If that’s his to do list he’ll have to do a thump, thump, thump in order to do a hump, hump, hump! I hope he remembers the condoms! You can never be too careful.

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Because "he" always has something up "his" ass.

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YOUR TONGUE.

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I'd really appreciate if you returned it after ripping it out.

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NO LIE...I AM FULLY ERECT RIGHT NOW.😉

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Congrats on your half incher.

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THANKS...I'M JUST GLAD IT ISN'T AN INNIE ANYMORE.

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Do you know how to get someMore to scream twice? Stick him in the tater hole…then wipe it on his shirt!

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True. The black guy in Night of the Living Dead didn't die first.

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Spoilers!

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It wasn't until you said that.

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Damn, you're right.

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Off the top of my head in Friday the 13th movies that isn't true. In Nightmare on Elm Street movies it was that way in part 4 but part 5 had an African American woman survive.

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