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As more time passes, I no longer recognize my city.


I was born and raised in Toronto. It used to be so quiet, friendly and spacious. Here are two Google Maps captures around the area I grew up. Same angle, 9 years apart.

2012:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.6394799,-79.4008715,3a,75y,96.77h,101.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6BVHsTQk4fjbOJgJ8iBSBw!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656

2021:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.6394747,-79.4009039,3a,75y,96.77h,101.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sITNrO6jv1hzdn0Q8ffAEOQ!2e0!5s20210601T000000!7i16384!8i8192

As you can see, there is a huge difference. I miss the old days where my city wasn't so overpopulated, cluttered and was a hell of a lot cheaper. I find it so sad what Toronto has become.

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I hear you. Back in 1970 Melbourne had a population of around 2.5 million and they were mostly the descendants of the English, Irish and Scottish settlers with a spoonful of post-war immigrant Greeks, Italians and Yugoslavs. Now Melbourne's population is around 5 million and the CBD looks like the United Nations. And the city is an enormous sprawl and the traffic is a nightmare.

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When you look at the population of the metro area of Toronto from past years:

1950 - 1,000,000
1980 - 3,000,000
2000 - 4,600,000
2023 - 6,300,000

There used to be a great view of the CN Tower, but now you can't see it at all if you're nearby. I used to be able to walk down streets without seeing anyone, now there's someone there at every corner. There's just way too many people and they're not planning on slowing down either. The government allows all these people to flock to the city (not just immigrants, but Canadians moving to Toronto) and their solution is just to create more housing which just ends up becoming more expensive.

While the city may look nice and developed, it's difficult to find affordable housing. The average cost to buy a home is just under $1M.

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Well that's just like every other city in North America. Is it time for a one-child policy?

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No the birth rate is already low. I would guess that in Canada like Australia the rapid population growth is being driven by immigration.

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move to north bay

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Too far.

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And they tear down interesting old buildings to put up more high rise apartments that look like crap.

The streets are dingy and dirty and no one seems to be happy. For a multicultural city it also ironically lacks any sense of culture.

I remember a different city back in the 80’s.

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The idea of Multiculturalism has been a lie and a con from the start. Far from somehow magically creating "multi-culturalism" ( whatever that's supposed to be ) it actually destroys the culture of the host nation by first diluting it and then overwhelming it and replacing it with nothing.

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You have no idea what you're babbling about.

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If you want to be taken seriously by me you're going to have to do a lot better than that. Either give me counter arguments or refute what I have said with your own points, preferably both. As it is you have just come across as an arrogant idiot.

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I agree.

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Now you know how the Aborigines feel. Have a nice day.

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Yes, I agree. This is a product of regressivism, and/or "progressivism".

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What ?

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My comment was meant to confuse.

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Mission accomplished !

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lol

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How could he know how the "Aborigines" feel ? How could you for that matter ?

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I bailed out of Yonkers about seven years ago and at just the right time, property values were on the rise down by the city and taxes were very high for the quality of the poor schools, the traffic congestion, the crime rate and crumbling quality of infrastructure.

We bought six times the property and three times the square footage upstate and have not regretted it.

It’s a bit of a commute every day but it’s a vast improvement.

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It's honestly depressing living in a city that you grew up in and not recognizing it anymore. I'd consider moving but almost all my family is here. The lazy politicians do nothing about it. Toronto is constantly under construction and I'm seriously worried about what it's going to be like in 20 years. I can only imagine how crammed everything will be. Hopefully my dream of living on a spaceship will come true by then.

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How much of this constant construction is the fault of the Property Bros?! 90%? 95%?

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We also have "Love it Or List It." Canada is construction central.

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My city too.

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This has nothing to do with "lazy politicians" but lazy citizens.

Democracy has always been a partnership between citizens and politicians. Citizens used to do their part. Now they do nothing but complain.

Case in point: what's happening in Toronto and other cities around the world started in post World War 2. But the reason why it was stopped in its tracks in the United States and other countries is that activists like Jane Jacobs and others actively fought against developers and urban planners like Robert Moses.

When Jane Jacobs' generation died and Baby Boomers started getting too old to continue fighting, it was left up to us to continue the fight. Instead, no one is doing anything. No one attends town hall meetings, holds protests, do rallies, nothing. No one tries to put two and two together to figure out what's going on and how to stop it. Everyone just votes and then sits and complains.

Another reason why this is happening is that people are actually welcoming this soulless architecture because of classism. There are people who literally think it's a sign of status to live in a 500 square fishbowl 30 stories up with no kitchen but "shared spaces" than a nice large house or apartment in a brick townhouse. So, there's this other side to it, too, where there aholes who will consider you a "pleb" or "Boomer" for wanting to live in an "old-fashioned" building and environment.

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Citizens are to blame for crime, but politicians are to blame for terrible sentencing. There's no reason why a murderer doesn't spend at least 50 years in jail. Some pedos get less than a year in jail. I blame politicians for not limiting how many people can move into a city. I blame politicians for high housing costs and high property tax. I blame them for corruption and not giving citizens more candidates to choose from. I blame politicians for lying to us.

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There was a severe shortage of housing after WWII because of the soldiers returning and subsequent baby boom. Housing was created to meet their need which was spearheaded by the federal government under multiple government programs. That housing was for the poor to middle-class. That building stopped years ago.

The building you see now which began in the 70s or 80s is fueled by rich developers building for investors looking to "park their money". The "luxury" building is for the rich. A certain percentage of these purchased condos aren't inhabited. Btw, they get tax credits for some reason.

People in my area did protests, but the politicians took developer money and screwed over their constituents. There is a severe shortage of affordable housing for low and middle-class people. The only way to lower costs is to build more housing which Biden has begun under a new federal program.

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It didn't begin in the 70s and 80s.

It started right after WW2. However, it was stopped in its tracks by activists like Jane Jacobs and others in the 1950s and 60s, who helped to pass laws (especially zoning laws) to prevent developers from having the run of cities.

It kicked back up in the 70s because of Globalism (aka Neoliberalism). Leaders around the world jumped on board this train of deregulating everything and opening up local housing markets to international buyers. On top of everything else, people like Jacobs retired and people just kind of stopped caring about all this. So, now things have accelerated.

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That's what I wrote.

The zoning laws protected white suburbs while dumping polluting industry, incinerators, shady businesess, etc. into the cities especially poor areas.

Zoning needs to be reformed. It's also creating a housing affordability crisis by limiting what type of housing can be built in the suburbs.

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You sound a little depressed, sam. I think you need a hug.🤗

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Wanna come with me on the spaceship? I need to get as far away from these Earthlings as possible. Too much evil and stupidity in this world.

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Just you and me??? Sounds kinda sexy. I can bring my whip with me, right?💥

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I hate to break it to you and shatter your dream, but you're not going on a spaceship. You're stuck with these earth creatures.
Now you have to figure out how to deal with it. :(

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Nonsense. It's totally a possibility. I plan to take Luke and Han Solo with me too.

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toronto used to be farmland at one time.

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Every Mary Pickford was upset about what Toronto had become in 1959. She mentions it within the first 35 seconds:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VMfrwNQ_Ntk

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i guess we can go back to the horse and buggy.

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No one was drinking and driving back then.

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That's just part of getting older.

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Way to pick out the least important factor in the mix and put it up as the only one worth mentioning !

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I know just how you feel. I’m going through something similar but on a different level. In the past 30 years my area, which was really rural has now turned into subdivisions as far as you can see with all the people leaving nearby Baton Rouge. Just like you, I have lived here my whole life and my family is here but I find myself dreaming of moving farther out every day.

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When there's room, they will build. They'll find a way to build on every available square foot of grass and dirt. Home prices will go up and eventually they're going to tax the air.

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Hmm, I kind of feel the opposite about my own hometown, even though we're also adding more and more highrise buildings. I feel that the city centre especially is getting more vibrant, but perhaps that's also thanks to smaller projects. The only thing that really gets to me is that pre-WW2 buildings are being torn down for post-modern crap.

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Is housing getting more expensive?

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Rental prices have been going up in the entire country, but Rotterdam actually had one of the smallest increases.

Buying a house has gotten less expensive, though.

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I have been there and didn't think it was a great place. I much prefer Montreal for its french charm.

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They're barely French anymore.

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This is all happening because of Mies Van Der Rohe, one of the most evil architects IMO next to Le Corbusier.

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Architecture is a different story. However, I could argue how lame architecture has been too.

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It's not a different story, really.

Full disclosure: I went to one of the biggest art schools in the country, which also was THE school that any aspiring architect went to if they wanted to work in the field.

The razing of buildings all over the world at the expense of culture, soul, local color, etc. is part of a movement that includes Le Corbusier, Rohe and others. What happened is that architects took over what's known as "urban/city planning." Before them, cities were designed by specialists known as urban planners, who would approve and plan out cities with human beings in mind. So, cities like Toronto, NY, LA, London, Tokyo, etc. were filled with lovely spacious areas, venues, local color, etc.

Then the architects took over and envisioned a brave new world in which all cities would be nothing more than glass and steel, high density residencies and highways. Developers with tons of money jumped on this vision, because this style of architecture gives them the biggest bang for their buck and is the perfect conduit for real estate speculation, kickbacks and laundering. They then propagandized all of this as "progress", so that politicians, city council members and even local residents embraced this soulless architecture as progress.

These architects from the 20th century is why your city and every other city around the world is being torn down and crammed with high density apartments, glass and steel, why every city is losing its identity. The aim is to turn every single city into another Dubai or Shangai, regardless of local color, culture or history.

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Oh, I see. I thought you were just talking about the design of the buildings.

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