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How about we legalize marijuana at a federal level already?


What's holding us back?

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July 1/2018 in Canada

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It’s already ridiculously easy to get a medical prescription.
I get mine completely legally through the mail.

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Does Canada screw with your gun rights if you have a medical prescription like here in the States? Hawaii recently gave card holders 30 days to turn in their guns and ammo until the public backlash caused them to reevaluate their decision.

Honestly, I need no ones permission to use this healing plant, so I never got mine.

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No. I know several Canadians with both a cannabis prescription and a firearms license.
The authorities have all but completely stopped enforcing personal possession.
As hownos said, it’ll be recreationaly legal nation wide by July.
We do have common sense gun control, you need to be licensed and complete a safety course, and there is a fairly thorough background check, but as long as you’re not a criminal or mentally unstable, it’s not that hard to legally own guns here.

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Ironic, isn't it? Alcohol is what should be banned for gun owners.
I believe the solution to most of our democratic problems is the funding of candidates.
It turned them into products instead of statesmen.
It should all be stopped.
In an era of mass communication and social media, there's no need for state to state, city to city campaigning.

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In all honesty, it’s probably half the reason I voted Liberal in the last federal election.

Even though I knew full well that Trudeau would be kind of embarrassing as a figurehead.

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No, I believe we should let each State decide that. That's the beauty of America, it's 50 amazing political experiments. I don't like most federal laws because if you don't one there's nowhere to go to escape it. If you don't like a state law, such as the ridiculously high taxes in some states, you can move to avoid it.


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That's not how it works.

Read up on California, or other states where it's legal, where the state allows it but the feds can still bust them.

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I'm not a lawyer, and I don't even play one on TV, but I think you're wrong there, jimmy.


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You don't need a lawyer hat. You can read up on it though.

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That's a very interesting quote. Where does it come from?


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It's a quote mashup of several quotations.

Anyway, as you may by now be caught up on, the feds have busted in on dispensaries in places like Colorado and California.

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Okay then.


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If it wasn't illegal at the Federal level, it could still be illegal at the state level.

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But it could also be legal, if the people of that state decide to make it so. Leave it up to the people, not the government.


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It is legal in states, but not Federally. The Feds have raided legal dispensaries before.

So you see, if it was legal Federally, that doesn't automatically make it legal in every state, and it removes any risk for those states where it's already legal.

That's what the topic is about.

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I don't think that is correct, but I will have to do some more research on it.


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Froggy is correct. The Feds have made some minimal allowances for medicinal use, but technically it’s still illegal. There are no allowances for the recreational sales that are ongoing in several states.

Congress simply needs to get out of the way and allow each state to decide itself what the policy should be within its borders.

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As long as Jeff Sessions is Attorney General, things are going to be complicated. This guy has forever had a vendetta against Marijuana and isn't shy about expressing it.

Here are a few quotes from our "Attorney General":

“Good people don’t smoke marijuana.”

“I thought those guys [the Ku Klux Klan] were OK until I learned they smoked pot.”

“This drug is dangerous. You cannot play with it. It’s not funny.”

“I realize this may be an unfashionable belief in a time of growing tolerance of drug use. But too many lives are at stake to worry about being fashionable. I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store. And I am astonished to hear people suggest that we can solve our heroin crisis by legalizing marijuana – so people can trade one life-wrecking dependency for another that’s only slightly less awful. Our nation needs to say clearly once again that using drugs will destroy your life.”


So our AG thinks Marijuana is only "sightly less awful" than heroin?! It's frightening that this man is one of our top law enforcement officials.

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I agree.


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Froggy is Totally correct. Currently illegal at a federal level...federal law supersedes state law...so if a state legalizes it the federal mandate overrides state laws. Then it comes down to enforcement. By legalizing at a federal level...you give states the right to consider it as an option. All states that have adopted ANY form of legal marijuana are currently in violation of federal law.

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Okay then.


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Okay I checked and you're partially correct. If none of the eight situations mentioned in this article apply, then the Feds will defer to local law enforcement. And in general I don't think the Feds are too interested in enforcing federal laws which are contradicted by state laws.

https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-state-legalize-and-sell-marijuana-when-it-is-illegal-under-Federal-law-but-when-the-federal-government-legalizes-gay-marriage-a-state-cant-say-no


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the opposite in Canada

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Okay then.


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But then on the flip side, "states rights" was the entire argument behind the Civil War, in terms of allowing states to continue slavery if they wanted.

Marijuana law isn't all that different from slavery. It's still taking away someone's freedom for no reason.

You probably don't think states should still be allowed to legalize slavery if they wanted... So how is it justifiable to throw people in cages because of a harmless plant?

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Actually we might just be on the same side here, Froggy. I'm against Federal Law dictating. I'm for states being able to decide things for themselves. So as a Libertarian, I guess I would be against the Federal law.


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It needs to happen asap. There are few better examples of schizophrenic governance than our current marijuana policy. It's illegal federally, yet a number of states are licensing, regulating and collecting taxes from its sale. Essentially, they are operating a criminal enterprise.

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It isn't legal already?

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More than half the states in the US have either medical or recreational laws, yet it is still illegal at the Federal Level. The Obama Administration had a hands off approach and respected State Rights through something called the Cole Memo. The current administration repealed this and is taking a step backwards, leaving it up to the US Attorneys of each state to prosecute as they see fit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cole_Memorandum

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I asked because in other countries is used in medicine.

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Yes, cannabis is a great medicine. It's been used for thousands of years. It works wonders for me.

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I'm sure it does😊

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money ... when something is worth many multiples of it's normal worth because it is illegal, and there are prison jobs that can generate profit as well as people who can be politically marginalized ... it is going to be way hard to change that.

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Be careful of what you wish for because it just might come true. Legalization will mean higher consumer prices as the cost of regulation will be factored into the selling price just as cost of production will. The black market is not going away as they can do it for cheaper. By some estimates 30 percent cheaper once recreational MJ hits your local Walgreen's. But the black market will adjust once they know what the shelf price is so their price will be within 15 percent of the neighborhood pharmacy. Just because something has to pass under the nose of the feds does not mean it will be any safer than buying it from an outlaw. All kinds of crap that happens at slaughter houses and canning/freezing facilities with food so I see the same happening with pot. Further, black market MJ is going no place here in the US as it can be grown anyplace here with adjustments for soil and fertility. What has been done for genetic advancement in vegetable plants is happening with MJ so you won't see MJ with the quality of horse manure. Contrast that with cocaine of which the cocoa leaf simply can not be cultivated here due to the differing environment.

Legalizing MJ will not give its users a pass on other laws that sometimes can be a companion to using MJ. Here in New York it is illegal to smoke in a public place including bars, restaurants, and stores to name a few and I don't imagine that law will changed if MJ is legalized.

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I don't think any of that logic should or would apply to the marijuana market. Cost isn't everything. I would much rather pay more and have the money go to the state than some criminal. I want the criminals caught too. Maybe you don't care, but when money and violence run things, things go monotonically downhill. I think this right-wing, hate-government, get rid of all regulation is pure insanity and all the measurable numbers indicate that.

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Market economics do apply here just as it does with groceries or cars. No seller of MJ is going to leave profit on the table. Once they know what the legal shelf price is per unit they will price as close as they can but leave enough discount to make the trip worth while if a black market seller. Cost of production is everything in a legal market. Nobody is going to do it legally if they can't cover the expense of the land, buildings, and equipment. If you care about a safe product then you do want MJ to cross the table of the regulating agency so it can be tested. As I said before the preparation of most agricultural products for market is not perfect but is better than nothing and it does put pressure on the black market to deliver a safe product. I think that the issue of the criminals is overblown for most Americans as they need not go into a rough section of the inner city to buy it. If your experience is like mine that even though I don't use therefore I do not buy but have been approached to buy and never was it by an obvious gangster. You might be surprised as to who around you is producing MJ and who is selling MJ. Heck, even lame old right wing me was approached to be a part of a MJ growing enterprise. You still have not addressed my point that at least in New York you can't use tobacco in public via smoking so therefore since most MJ is smoked away from the house for convenience what are you going to do away from home?

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Yeah, I don't see it ... it's kind of like saying that wine prices will be going down because pot is competing with wine.

But still, people will want clean organic pot, not stuff that comes from Mexico with herbicide all over it, or mold ... or who knows what.

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I honestly believe that you have no idea of what legal MJ entails. I doubt MJ is going to impact wine or beer and visa-versa. All three have people that prefer one over the others or will consume all three in some random order. Legal MJ means there will be people growing on a large scale versus having a couple dozen plants in a back yard. There will be absolute costs as opposed to the hippy couple saying that the backyard is already there so why not. I would be willing to bet that your pot comes from a number of places even if you live in Southern California and not Mexico. There is no realistic way to hem it in as it grows in quite a number of places in the US. So the gangsters can talk tough all they want but they can't stop other moonlight growers from raising MJ. You would be surprised what goes on in some sleepy town or city when those involved know how to keep their mouths shut which is probably one reason I got approached and probably another is since I don't use I will not smoke the profits away. A mid-size city I grew up near had a sizable sex industry including prostitution and home grown porn. The reason most people are not aware is because those involved could keep their mouths shut about it.

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I just wanted to touch on this last part about using Cannabis away from home. In a lot of legal states and even other countries, Social Clubs are popping up. Basically, it's either a monthly or a one time entrance fee. The first one actually just opened here in Massachusetts. I'm not sure about NY tobacco laws, but smoking indoors isn't totally illegal under certain conditions. For example, Cigar Bars and Hookah (tobacco) bars are prevalent in most major cities and very popular. So I'd imagine that designated establishments for smoking pot in Legal States will be a good solution.

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We will see this soon here in The Great White North

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I would guess that the NY laws could be skirted by NOT charging a gate. In that instance it would not be considered a business. I've been in club halls and have not seen smoking allowed in those places. At the same time you pay as you drink in these clubs so maybe NY considers that club a bar or night club for legal purposes.

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I see it being legalized at the federal level sometime in the 2020's. The states are falling like dominoes when it comes to recreational and medical laws. It's all just a matter of time now. I'm lucky to live in a legal state, but it sucks that people are still being arrested for mere possession in others. It's just not right.

For anyone who doesn't know why, I suggest you research why it was made legal in the first place. It's just another dark chapter in our history. Here's a quick read.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/how-did-marijuana-become-illegal-first-place

In the meantime, its entertaining to watch tall of the butthurt prohibitionists fume at our progress!

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Why wouldn't we support the legalization federally of marijuana? After all, aren't we a country undergirded by small business? And isn't the marijuana industry full of small businesses trying to get off the ground? I would think conservatives in particular -- who've spoken of their love of small business for as long as I can remember -- would be especially enthusiastic about helping small businesses in the marijuana industry. Or, is their love of small business just a lot of hot air?

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Here's something you, and many others, have probably not considered when it comes to the legalisation of marijuana.

With legalisation comes proliferation of growers (supply/demand). More space devoted to growing it, and less to agriculture for crops such as food, and other products.

If you think growers are going to be limited to small businesses, you're kidding yourself.

Not far from me marijuana growers have proliferated within the past couple of years. This has happened in a small, formerly sleepy and very safe neighbourhood. The first problem noticed was the *smell* pervading these neighborhoods, described as smelling like skunk. Until the past month, I'd never experienced it and couldn't understand how the growing of pot could produce such an unpleasant and pervasive odor, however since then, being forced to evacuate and staying in that neighbourhood for several weeks, I experienced it first-hand.

It smells exactly like skunk, and it's strong. How would you like your former odor-free neighbourhood to smell like skunk? Not only unpleasant to live with, but would drive down your property value, because who wants to live in a neighbourhood that smells like skunks are continually spraying?? No one, that's who.

Secondarily, and more importantly (assuming the skunk smell could and would be dealt with) crime has risen. Word has gotten out that pot growers are there, and criminals have flocked there, hoping to break into and steal the profitable crops. Nor do they stop there. Would YOU want to buy a house in such a neighbourhood? Yeah, me either.

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It'll never happen here in Australia in my lifetime. People are way too conservative here. Our drinking culture is way out of hand ironically.

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Conservatives seem to be all about less government -- except when it comes to morality. They'll espouse the virtues of tax cuts all day long but ignore utterly the imposition keeping marijuana illegal at a federal level remains. And why? Because conservatives want to uphold legislation that regulates one's behavior behind closed doors -- like engaging in mercantile sex or partaking of the Devil's lettuce.

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Nicely said

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Let's take this to another level. Nicotine is legal in the US. Alcohol is legal in the US. I may be wrong about this, but I believe that, clinically speaking, there is no other drug that is more addictive than nicotine. I am reasonably certain that no other substance has caused as much pain and destruction as alcohol. Permitting some substances while criminalizing others increases crime, violence, misery and prison populations. It seems to me that making IT ALL legal is what makes the most sense. Then let natural selection take its course.

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In Portugal everything is legal

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You are so right,, R_Kane.
It would also take the profiteering out of the equation and force the organized criminals into other venues. (Most probably kidnapping, their old tried and true.)
You see, there will always be organized crime.

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Thank you. You are right that there will always be organized crime, even if all substances are made legal. There will always be organized crime as long as there is vice, extortion, people who "buy" protection, people who need to borrow money, criminals who have a problem they can't take to the police, non criminals who have a problem that was not or will not be solved by our legal system, and trade and labor unions (with the wiseguys working either for or against the unions). My mother had a connected boyfriend, so I know a little about this topic. These guys are smart.

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