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Reasons why this will suck

posted 5 years ago by BrunoAntony (1198)
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1) The rating. I’m waiting for the tears to flow when this is announced as a “dark” PG film.

2) It’s by a terrible comedy director, unless you loved “Starsky and Hutch”.

3) The majority of DC films are bad.

4) It’s an Elseworld story. So it doesn’t even have a bearing on the ongoing connected universe of DC films.

5) The Joker is a character that shouldn’t have an origin story. The comics have proved this, time and time again.

I can’t believe people are still making jizz in their pants over trailers for DC films. They are NEVER indicative of the quality of the film.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Reasons why BrunoAntony Is Wrong

1) We still don't know what the film's rating is. In all likelihood it won't be 'PG'. Many recent comic-book movies have not been.

2) Terrible comedy directors, like Peter Farrelly, with Green Book, have recently demonstrated that they can do more than just do terrible comedy. Maybe Todd Phillips has also developed as a filmmaker.

3) To the argument 'the majority of DC films are bad' I counter with Superman, Superman II, Batman '89, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Watchmen, The Dark Knight Rises, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and (if the reviews and audience response is to be believed) Shazam. Maybe that's not the majority, but it's a large enough proportion of their releases to have enough faith that this one will turn out well too.

4) So what if it's an Elseworld story? Isn't that a good thing? It liberates the filmmakers to tell the story they want instead of being hampered by the 'majority of DC films' BrunoAntony describes as 'bad'.

5) The best Joker story of all-time, 'The Killing Joke', is an origin story (albeit one told by an unreliable narrator).

[–] BrunoAntony (1198) 5 years ago

1) It will be PG like the rest of Warner’s DC films. No evidence to the contrary.

2) Todd Phillips hasn’t developed as a filmmaker. Unless you think ‘War Dogs’ deserved an Academy Award nomination LOL

3) It isn’t an argument. The majority of this generation of DC films, from Man of Steel onwards, are bad. It’s a fact.

4) It’s bad that it’s an Elseworlds story because there are no stakes. It’s a stand-alone story about Todd Phillips’ loose interpretation of a comic book villain. It has no impact on existing DC films or Jared Leto’s existing iteration of The Joker.

5) The flashback in “The Killing Joke” isn’t a canon origin story and the comic also features Batman, Commisioner Gordon, etc.

I don’t care if you make up excuses for this film before it gets released in October. It’s your money.

[–] johnnydinkis2 (9) 5 years ago

"4) It’s bad that it’s an Elseworlds story because there are no stakes. It’s a stand-alone story about Todd Phillips’ loose interpretation of a comic book villain. It has no impact on existing DC films or Jared Leto’s existing iteration of The Joker."

This is the stupidest reasoning I have ever heard. I guess there were also no stakes in The Departed or Saving Private Ryan or Unforgiven or literally any other movie that wasn't part of a superhero universe?

[–] BrunoAntony (1198) 5 years ago

“This is the stupidest reasoning I have ever heard. I guess there were also no stakes in The Departed or Saving Private Ryan or Unforgiven”

When you have to use a dumb, nonsensical comparison to make your argument, then you have no argument.

Enjoy your ticket to “The Joker”!

[–] johnnydinkis2 (9) 5 years ago

So you only enjoy movies if they have an impact on the DC Universe. Got it.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

[deleted] is correct. There hasn't been a PG DC movie since Superman IV: The Quest For Peace.
All the recent stuff has been PG-13, not PG. Those are not the same rating.

[–] bobbydallas (8112) 5 years ago

Is this supposed to be Joker prior to meeting Batman? Does Batman not even exist in this "film" ? Wasn't the Joker dropped into acid by the Batman?

So confused at this point..

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

This is a separate franchise.

[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 5 years ago

It's stupid to have Joker without Batman.

If they wanted to do that they should have written a film where Joker is a comic book character and this guy is an insane person who wants to be him.

That would be okay.

[–] bobbydallas (8112) 5 years ago

That's a good idea - a psychological thriller along the lines of Red Dragon or something.
I would be in favour of that film.. as it would be more original.

[–] TheAdlerian (2092) 5 years ago

I almost went to the movies in Denver where the mass murder happened during the Batman movie. I was THIS close to going as it was my favorite theater in the area, because it always had nice and polite moviegoers.

That murderer there has a semi-Joker thing going on with his hair dyed and whatnot.

I don't know if he had that in his mind but I don't see how he couldn't.

If he did, then he was inspired to mass murder in part by The Joker.

So, would be an excellent film to have a character like that.

[–] kwestmo (4162) 5 years ago

Good concept.

[–] dmac8 (5050) 5 years ago

I dont find your reasons compelling.

[–] BrunoAntony (1198) 5 years ago

Teach me a lesson by wasting your money on this film, bro

LOL!

[–] catsidhe (1649) 5 years ago

I want to give it a fair shake...just afraid it will be "Gotham" like in general. I can't do Gotham. Tried it but didn't get past 4 episodes. It was so bad.

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 5 years ago

That's how I feel too. I want it to be good but I think it has a good chance of being as bad as Gotham or as sour as The Dark Knight Rises or as outright stupid as the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies.

I hope that they don't make him sympathetic. I think this only works if they keep him irredeemably psychotic. I also think it would be better as a post-origin film.

So I only really agree with OP's #3 and #5

[–] cyberbob (3488) 5 years ago

Starsky and Hutch is pretty underrated IMO. Better than the Hangover movies

And mediocre directors are almost ALWAYS behind the camera of comic book films. Let us take a stroll down memory lane

Bryan Singer (X-Men). Apt Pupil, garbage. Superman Returns, garbage. Valkyrie, garbage. Jack the Giant Killer, garbage.

Peyton Reed (Ant-Man): Bring it on, The Break Up, Yes Man. I don't think I need to say any more

Scott Derrickson (Doctor Strange): Exorcism of Emily Rose, garbage. Sinister, ok horror film. Deliver Us From Evil, garbage

James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy): wrote the awful Scooby-Doo movies. Slither sucks. Movie 43 LOL

Zack Snyder (Man of Steel, BvS, Justice League):the "genius" that brought us Owls of Gahool and Sucker Punch

Joss Whedon (Avengers 1 and 2): a guy who thinks his crappy shows make him a Feminist icon even though he always cheats on his wife (true story)

Shitty directors can make good superhero movies. I can name at least a dozen more directors who made decent superhero films AFTER making multiple shitty movies

[–] BrunoAntony (1198) 5 years ago

Wow, such insight...

[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 5 years ago

Singer: I'm no big fan of his but he has some great movies. X2, Valkyrie, and The Usual Suspects.

Gunn: Slither was actually a great monster movie in that Body-Snatchers-Genre. Super was decent as well. And who claims GotG movies weren't good? Flawed, yes, but very good.

Snyder: His DCEU stuff is pretty lame but he has a solid track before that with Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen, and yes Sucker Punch. Sucker Punch has a level of sophistication that is never addressed by people who have never seen it and like to complain because GURLZ!

Whedon: Firefly, Dollhouse, and the first Avengers were all very good.

The range of talent among directors chosen to helm CB movies is pretty wide. Some rise up. Some fall so very low (like Singer, Snyder, and Whedon)

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7446) 5 years ago

I just now saw this topic and Cyberbob, Bryan Singer directed The Usual Suspects which was really good and it even won Best Screenplay and Best Supporting Actor at the Oscars.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 5 years ago

Most of the guys on my list have at least one big hit. That is how they got their superhero gigs in the first place. But, as you can also see from my list, they preceded or followed up their hits with a string of mediocrities

I am not trying to shit on journeyman directors, they are the backbone of the movie industry. But let's not pretend that Todd Phillips is somehow unqualified to direct a comic book movie

[–] GreenGoblinsOck8 (7446) 5 years ago

I haven't seen most of those directors' movies.

[–] cyberbob (3488) 5 years ago

You ain't missing much

[–] Blondie7000 (182) 5 years ago

You must be fun at parties.

[–] liscarkat (16750) 5 years ago

Too many reasons to list here. In fact, too many reasons to list on the entire internet.

[–] dmac8 (5050) 5 years ago

1) The rating. I’m waiting for the tears to flow when this is announced as a “dark” PG film.

"Warner Bros. officially announced this week that Todd Phillips’ take on the classic Batman villain will be R-rated for “strong bloody violence, disturbing behavior, language, and brief sexual images.”

So much for your #1

[–] Goliard (1413) 5 years ago

LOL