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S1E3 - Liberal Ideals vs Extreme Left Ideals?

posted 7 years ago by Rorikon (16397)
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Liberal agenda attacking the more extreme cases of liberal transgenderism. There are actually parents out there wanting to dictate the gender of their child when they're still a baby rather than indoctrinate them with liberal ideals first to get them to choose a gender for themselves as early as 4-8 yo or whenever they suddenly 'feel' they don't belong in this body/role/gender/whatever it is that makes them magical. Personally I think they should only get to choose once they reach an age of maturity but even then they'd be probably too filled with their liberal parents messaging.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4786350/Britain-s-gender-fluid-family.html

-Funny how they picked the movie that would sway his mind (Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer) of all the movies they could bring to him.
-The baby looked blacker than the parents themselves, lol.
-They used Alara (cheated) to prove their point that women can do anything when the species aren't even the same. She was born with super human strength like the rest of her kind.
-Tribunal went full feminist with the commander using the pilot as an excuse for asking questions he obviously wouldn't know then calling him an idiot (as if it was his job to know).
-They could magically sneak out of the tribunal with no one following or tracking them to find a sole surviving female? Lawl!

This ep went full liberal agenda.

I'd drop this show if it weren't the only show in space not doing re-runs or playing on my nostalgia. Waiting on ST: Discovery in 2-3 days.

[–] FFNogoodnik (770) 7 years ago

I am a liberal and see your points very well. I basically have no problem with your post except that Alara was not born with superhuman strength, her species evolved on a world with higher gravity and that makes her stronger than humans.

My comment on this would be the crew of the Orville would be more excepting of different cultures just based on having interacted with multiple cultures. This was my problem with Archer on Star Trek: Enterprise. It was like if a visiting alien broke an Earth rule it was horrible and they should be punished. If a member of his crew broke an alien rule it was all "we did not know"

[–] Rorikon (16397) 7 years ago

Thanks for the correction on Alara's species.

To me it sort of felt like the Union is USA telling other species (countries) what is right or wrong or trying to enforce their rule on others when it's a cultural tradition as barbaric as it may seem. Anyways I think I was a bit too harsh on it since they went full liberal/feminist agenda on it. Technically Captain Mercer is right that it was born on his ship so it should abide by Union rules or whatnot.

They kind of do bring up some decent points like circumcision and having no choice but the truth is once it's cut, you can't regrow foreskin. There are medical procedures though to I guess take excess skin from other parts of the body to remake it just like there is medical procedures to do sex changes as well.

[–] FFNogoodnik (770) 7 years ago

"Technically Captain Mercer is right that it was born on his ship so it should abide by Union rules or whatnot."

I would think that as different species/cultures/planets join the Union one the stipulations would be that they get to keep their own traditions.

Think of it the other way around, if the Captain was of the same species as Bortus then, technically, any female that was born on the ship would have been changed to male.

[–] Rorikon (16397) 7 years ago

I was thinking more on the lines of the Union being a federation of planets sort of thing where the rules are more shall we say unilaterally agreed upon by the species joining it. Like NATO has a set of rules in order for countries to be able to join. Traditions are kept but this is somewhat a unique case in the sense it was born on a Union ship and not one of their own. I guess in the end it's the captains decision since its his ship, his rules kind of thing.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (5960) 7 years ago

"it should abide by Union rules"

Moclus is part or the Union. When it entered the Union the Union must have reviewed all its laws and decided they were acceptable; otherwise they would not have been permitted to enter the Union. (You can see parallels in the European Union of our world.)

So this surgery is clearly legal in the Union.

[–] TexasJack (12515) 7 years ago

I can't say I gave Enterprise a fair shake, since I think I only saw two or three episodes out of several seasons, but a big part of why I didn't watch more was Archer. I like the actor but the character was awful.

[–] bond998 (1206) 7 years ago

I don't even consider this to be super liberal. Your talking about changing a baby sex before they can decide for themselves. What the fuck is liberal about that. You telling me that if someone forced you to change your sex before you could choice for yourself. You wouldn't be pissed. If this was a Full on SJW episode they would just did the sex change and that would have been the end of the episode. Frankly this isn't anything different than i would expect from an episode of TNG.

[–] naDaht (1087) 7 years ago

Except that on TNG, Grayson would have won.

[–] Rorikon (16397) 7 years ago

I think its liberal in the sense that there are liberals in real life that do that if you checked the link I linked above. Hence why I said it was the sensible liberal ideas vs the more extreme liberals that take things further (extreme left?). I also don't think the person would be pissed but just really confused by the end of their growth. They'd be too messed in the head to notice or just go with it.

[–] gcarras (2727) 7 years ago

Two names. Seth MacFarlane.

[–] brux (14666) 7 years ago

If you think there is some subliminal bias or intention then
make your point here. What is wrong with people like you
that you have to attempt to embed hostile intent in every
supposedly logical comment with right-wing stigma.

Such a joke. Anything like that undercuts your own objectivity
and it's obvious that it can ignored.

[–] SySnootles (100) 7 years ago

I thought Ep 1 was a little slow but still funny, Ep 2 was right on the nail and Ep 3 - I have no idea what this was. If it's supposed to be comedy I don't understand why they'd attempt to tackle such a controversial topic. It seemed so out of place for the tone they've been trying to set from the beginning. I was expecting something a bit more Futurama and less Hollywood morality tale from the creator of Ted.

[–] Taylorfirst1 (107) 7 years ago

I would like to reply to each of your bullet points.

-The choice of movie was intentional. They were hoping it would change his mind. This seemed very obvious to me.
-The point is irrelevant
-This one of the reasons they lost the case. The other lawyer easily shot down their "evidence" with facts.
-This part was a little rough but it was intended for comedy. We need to remember that this is an action/comedy/drama like the old Hercules and Xena shows. It can go from serious to funny at the drop of a hat.
-They were not prisoners. They were union officers on a union planet acting as witnesses in a civil court proceeding. There was no reason they couldn't go anywhere they want when not testifying. Why would anyone track them?

[–] McQualude (4231) 7 years ago

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[–] janoss (206) 7 years ago

Though I agree that this episode was ham fisted, please don't blame the "Liberal Agenda".

I checked the agenda in my copy of 'Liberal Agenda Weekly' and there wasn't a mention of it. The focus of that issue was more on how we should re-focus our liberal efforts on turning frogs into gay LaRouche Democrats. Kidding aside, if there is a "Liberal Agenda" out there, I'd like a copy of it.

Speaking of gender assignment, I'm quite familiar with it and doctors do it more often than you think. My daughter was born with slightly masculinized genitalia. Nothing out of scope of normal but it did require some surgery to put things in working order. One physician suggested that we make the call and turn her into a boy and raise her as a boy if we felt like it. Straight up "Sleepaway Camp" style. Not liberal or conservative, just f'd up.

[–] brux (14666) 7 years ago

You just say that because no one would watch a show that had extreme right wing views. That is called Nazi propaganda then and now.