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What the second episode lacked.


Okay. Standard break in the newbie story. But from start to end it lacked something. That extra thought that takes writing from standard to something special. For example they touched on the morality and irony of being in a zoo but instead of giving us a more carved out script that destroys the entire zoo, they only save three. Not even the big guy trapped 31 years. Even to lazy to say earth years? Or make up another time format? Anyway, it's great a show like this is on TV but I wonder if Seth isn't stretched too thin or his non fans are were right all along, he's just an all fart jokes hack?

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It's a very advanced race. What did you want them to do, blow it up? How many innocents die that way?

You can't build Rome in a day.

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You'd be a lazy writer if you could write. In the original series that this show is spoofing, the writers would have found a way to sabotage the zoo or find some political leverage etc. Everything doesn't have to be kill kill kill; that's just more lazy writing.

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Or maybe nobody really cares about the other aliens, and the reality tv joke was better.

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No one 400 years in the future would give a F- about our reality TV. That was the WORST joke yet.
Almost as bad as Kirk in JJ's horrendous "Star Trek" films continuously listening to the Beastie Boys.
It's the F-ing FUTURE. Make up some FUTURE stuff.

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They could have replaced all the exhibits with the reality TV shows, showing them all going free. Don't get hung up on specific plot points; I'm just saying it lacks better writing (which I know costs time and money) if it's producers want it to stick around. It's getting old already.

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>>>No one 400 years in the future would give a F- about our reality TV.<<<<

Yes, because absolutely no one in the 21st century ever enjoys Shakespeare.

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Or maybe nobody really cares about the other aliens, and the reality tv joke was better.


For reasons I won't go into, I was unable to see the the second episode, except for the last two minutes. The reality TV joke was hilarious, and even my wife laughed and admitted that it was funny (coming from a woman who hates everything McFarlane).

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Gee, thanks for the personal attack...

The show is just beginning its arc. They can't have them accomplishing gigantic tasks yet because it doesn't leave the show anywhere to go. Baby steps.

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Well.. This isn't Star Trek and they go out of their way to make a point of that. In Trek, we have these smart, sofisticated, people with weapons grade morals. It's Utopian. But The Orville isn't.

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I would have been satisfied if, instead of rescuing the child, at the end of the episode Kelly had turned to Ed and said, "We ARE going back to rescue that child."

To which Ed replies, "And everybody else. As soon as we figure out how."

That way you don't get the impression that they saved the kid, but not the poor guy who'd been there 30 years, AND it sets up a future episode. You're also not stuck wondering how they did it, and why that part was left out of the story.

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What I don't get is if they're so advanced, how did inferior humans just less than a couple of hours or so be able to just disguise themselves and pass after being scanned. -_-

Lot of lazy script writing and did you see Seth Macfarlane rape face when he smiled back at his ex-wife during their capture?

Personally I only watch it cause it has this Trek feel to it with the music and the warping around or any other old 90's or earlier on sci-fi show. Sort of a nostalgia effect.

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I thought the same thing about the ship being scanned/disguised.
I don't remember exactly what the robot character said about adapting the disguise technology, but the disguised buoy exploded. Don't think they would have salvaged much from that.
How did they adapt that technology?

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I had to go back and look at it again and that robot guy (Isaac) said this:
"In sifting through the debris that collided with our shuttlebay, I was able to analyze a fragment of the Calivon holographic generator. I believe we can use their own technology against them. We can make it appear as though we are a Calivon ship."

They needed nearly all power to do it as well. Well I guess that explains that. Still dumb though since you've just found a 'fragment' and it would take time to analyze, reverse-engineer, and all that crap to get a semi-working hologram but they still did it within the timeframe of 1 episode aka 1-3 days I would presume or less. I guess the Federation err I mean the Union is more advanced than the Calivon then with the speed it takes to replicate unknown alien tech.

Rape face:
https://i.imgur.com/Lxemu4l.jpg

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I get irked when I hear people seem to imply that the mere
mention of some issue, like your mention of morality and irony
in terms of a zoo sometime gives a garbage TV episode some
kind of gravitas or artistic value. Outside of the plot the whole
industry of TV and media in general is so corrupt I can't see it.
I saw the show and thought it was bad. It is too cartoonish to
make any sense. It is too obvious that they are making it
cartoonish to slide supposedly subversive ideas by the viewers,
but they don't have the ideas or the feel for the real science
fiction world to make anything relevant. The opposite of that
might be, at least at certain times "Red Dwarf", which had a
very funny twist to the science fiction themes it used. Orville
is like most American ( I'm American ) stuff, too bland and
processed. It is like watching processed cheese food. ;-)

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"I get irked when I hear people seem to imply that the mere
mention of some issue, like your mention of"

So you get irked, when you HEAR .. (how do you hear here?).. [that] people SEEM .. to IMPLY .. that.. mention, 'like your mention'..

Could you have been more convoluted if you had tried?

Just say what you are going to say, geez. There's nothing wrong with saying: "I get irked when people use an issue to elevate a TV show".

Or you could say "Just because a TV show uses a tired plot, doesn't mean it suddenly has artistic merit".

When you use a run-on sentence, where 'you get irked', 'when you hear', 'people seem to imply', 'mere mention of issue, like your mention', you lose your reader.

Your 'irkedness' adds no value to your point, and just how careful do you have to be to say "SEEM TO IMPLY"? You can just say "imply". Sheesh!

Or better yet, don't even use 'imply'. Have you really written over 3500 posts before this one, and yet not learned to be more direct in your communication? I use a lot of words, and I write long sentences, too, but your run-on sentence makes it seem that you plan to want to imply that writing an expression prolongs the attempt to wish to get closer to dreaming of getting near an explanation that could possibly seem to imply having an actual point.

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Hey, I have a suggestion, you say what you want to say and I'll say what I want to say.

If there was constructive criticism in your comment it was not evident to me and what
I did make of it seemed to show you all jerk and no work.

You seem to indicate that you got the gist of my comment, what's the problem? Why
can't you just talk about or skip it?

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What it lacked was a fantasy ending where one society overcomes the racism of another established society in ten minutes. It may be disappointing but it's also not stupid. Not every plot element has to be wrapped up in a single episode.

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It may be disappointing but it's also not stupid. Not every plot element has to be wrapped up in a single episode.


I agree.

I'll bet this gets revisited at some point, we are left hanging with the wise old woman that lived her life in isolation in the hills, and finally came out of the, um, cave.

Mub

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