If Scarlet Witch had killed Vision when he asked . Thanos wouldn't have got the mind stone as well.
If Loki hadn't nicked the Tesseract he wouldn't get the space stone
Etc....
Also, Thor aimed for the chest so he could gloat his victory to Thanos' face.
shareMany missed opportunities, putting the blame on several characters wouldn’t be uncalled for. But to be fair to the Star-Lord critics, in such an incredibly tense moment, Spidey and Iron Man were THAT close to getting the Gaunlet. I mean Thanos was right in front of the team, nearly helpless, and yet here was Star-Lord who knew what was at stake and he couldn’t help but lose his patience. Did anyone else screw things up in such a blatant way? I would argue no.
Now while I don’t blame Quill for being unable to keep his cool, I fully understand why many are upset by his actions.
"Many missed opportunities".
That was something I really liked about this movie. They always got THIS close to beating Thanos, only to have him turn things around in the last second.
Agreed. Quill's screw up was probably more severe than anyone else's. I can understand why Wanda and the others didn't want to kill Vision until they absolutely had to. I can see how Thor might figure Thanos was as good as dead after taking a giant axe to the chest. Loki stealing the Tesseract is less forgivable but who knows if it would have been destroyed when Asgard went up?
shareSo many people realize that Doctor Strange exchanged the Time Stone for Iron Man because it was the one path that Doctor Strange saw in which the Avengers won. Yet so many people are not applying the same logic to this.
Strange saw the scenarios where Quill does not interfere and in all of them the Avengers lost.
This is the only thing that makes sense.
shareThe problem with Strange's attempt to view the alternate realities, is that 14-15 million in an infinite number of realities is like saying a drop of water is a good representation of the ocean.
Other then a statistical estimate of potential chance for success, it really doesn't tell you much.
Once Strange made his sacrifice there then becomes another infinite number of realities that only exist because of that sacrifice. So Strange could ONLY start them down that path. At best from a mathematical standpoint Strange still has to have "win the lottery 5 times in a row" type luck for it to work out. The further out the victory over Thanos the less and less likely that Strange's sacrifice matters. Immediately after his decision you would have *likely* outcomes, but after a few seconds those likely scenarios will become more and more watered down due to more and more waves of infinite possibilities.
To be clear, I think that the writers did mean to create a fork in the road that Strange had to choose to "do his part" in saving the day, and it is a comic book movie so we are supposed to (and I'm more then willing) to accept that this decision will be a major blow to Thanos' plans.
I'm just pointing out that the mathematics don't line up with what we are meant to believe.
I will agree that the math does not work out. From the time Strange had the visions of the future til the time he told Tony the number of possibilities he saw over 14 million possibilities went by. For the movie's purpose though it works.
I just do not think the hate on Starlord is truly deserved. I saw a post the other day that called it the dumbest thing in film history. In my opinion them defeating Thanos by pulling the gauntlet off of his clenched fist would have been a dumber alternative.
Every single character who confronted Thanos fucked up. Most caved because of threats to someone else (generally someone they'd previously tried to kill), others made tactical errors, hesitated, failed to keep the big picture in mind, or underestimated the ugly nutsack's powers.
But Starlord was the dumbest of them all, and was the only one who actively interfered with his allies.
Emotions have a way of making someone lose control. Love, in particular, makes people do dumb things and act stupid, and here it was mixed with shock, grief, sadness, anger, and hatred. Thus, Starlord's actions did not break my suspension of disbelief.
shareI'm sorry, but it did break mine, I was rolling my eyes in the theater.
Yes, you're in love and your heart has just broken and you hate this guy with your entire being and all that matters is hurting him. So what do you do, punch him in a way that is futile and will lose you the fight, or take your weapon and shoot his arm off so you can both defeat the motherfucker and hurt him much more seriously than you ever could with your fists?
A surge of intense emotion can override logic and make people act in strange ways. For example, when I was a teenager we saw a kid fall off the edge of a gravel pit while driving. My step dad drove over there and as it turns out he was seriously injured. My step dad told my mom to go to the business next door and call 911 (pre-cell phone era). My mom actually started running toward the street. She got about 40 feet before she realized she should have taken the car and came running back. It's a simple logic problem that could be solved by a 5 year old. Take the car, it's faster. But under the duress of powerful emotions our logic processing centers are in many ways compromised.
shareMaybe I feel differently because I have a job where I'd damn well better keep my head in a crisis. In a crisis, I am expected to keep calm and not freak out, and follow the protocols, be competent, and THINK if at all possible.
I know Quill is ridiculously immature and undisciplined, but really!
Well, *YOU* probably would keep your cool in that situation. Starlord, on the other hand, has been written as an impetuous, fly by the seat of your pants hero who shoots first and asks questions later. But everyone's suspension of disbelief breaks at different points.
shareI've been trained to deal with a very specific set of emergencies and crises, which does not include having to fight massive aliens who are about to destroy life as we know it. If I were in that situation I'd probably run and hide, which would at least keep me from interfering with the guys who are willing to take him on.
And yes, Starlord is impetuous, immature, and totally uneducated guy... but he's survived by fighting and having the outer space equivalent of street smarts. People with backgrounds like that don't freak out to the point of delivering bitchslaps instead of killing blows, not if they want to live to see adulthood.
If a character's actions bother you that's just the way it is. I'm going through that with Lost in Space right now. Friends and co-workers insisted that I watch it because of how good it is but I couldn't get past episode 2. The characters are behaving in eye-rolling ways and I can't stand it. I'm done with that show. To each their own, I guess.
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Everybody made mistakes in the movie, but the thing about Quill is that he was a douche the whole movie. The Guantlet scene was just icing on the cake.
shareBefore being too hard on Quill, remember that Thanos (A) knows he’s at a disadvantage and (B) knows how Quill feels about Gamora
I would think Thanos is strong enough and smart enough to say exactly the right thing to make Quill lose it, even while under Mantis’s influence