85k sign petition to cancel upcoming Netflix show for blackwashing Anicent Egypt.

LOL! Those are funny.

Cleaopatra's Madecon/Greek heritage from the Ptolemaic line is well established. It's only lazy idiots that can't get over "Egypt is Africa, so she must be..." that think otherwise. That said, there have been so many depictions of her over the years, of all different types. And they all have their own kinds of various inaccuracies. They might as well have Constance Wu play her next.

That second one. : D

It shouldn't be beyond the realm of reason.

Cleopatra was a tyrant, and so was Hitler. The biggest difference? Time! Okay, perhaps 'Cleo' wasn't *quite* as terrible as Hitler (who was?), but she certainly *isn't* a figure to be lionised/treated as a 'hero'.

https://newlinesmag.com/argument/was-cleopatra-a-black-african-queen/

"At the risk of sounding reductive, Cleopatra was a foreign occupier who cared only about maintaining her hold on power. She (allegedly) had sex with a brother whom she later killed, brought in Roman forces to secure her throne, murdered her sister for opposing the invasion and had her dead body paraded all over Rome. Furthermore, her claim to historical infamy was partially based on seducing two Roman generals, causing one to be murdered and the other to kill himself. What is there to be proud of here?"

Do you even understand "black washing"?

Yep. Another "Egypt is in Africa, so Cleopatra must have been..." idiot. They might as well make Julius Caesar and Mark Antony black too. I mean, it's IN Africa, don't you know?

This issue largely stems from some Americans ignorance of geography, culture and history outside of the United States.

Due to the slave trade and the resulting identity of 'African Americans'. Africans have been all put into one neat basket, viewed as the typical black sub-saharan African. Historically you've had Irish Americas, Italian Americans, etc, etc. Each nationality having it's own culture and identity. This isn't the case with African Americans. They've been engulfed into one 'black culture'.



Africa is a continent with nearly 1.4 billion people living on it. North of the sahara desert consists of nations like Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt. These are now Islamic countries primarily made up of people one would describe as 'Middle Eastern', 'brown' or 'Muslim'. They're not African (black) in the Sub-Saharan sense.

Most research into Ancient Egyptians points to them being primarily of broadly Mediterranean heritage (Southern European, North African and West Asian). I believe todays Egyptians trend a little more sub-saharan African than they did back then and even today the typical Egyptian is not 'black'.
https://www.kingfut.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Egypt.jpeg

In any case the individual in question is Cleopatra who is known to be of Greek heritage. Yeah a white european woman. This is what some African Americans have criticized white people for historically, 'culture vulture'. They're not only portraying a white woman as black, but they are also stealing the famous culture of a non-white people. Another 'minority' is getting trampled on and looked over in the black vs white US race nonsense. That should be an issue for even 'left leaning' peoples. Do you not care for North Africans getting actual representation?

Other ethnicities are often forgotten due to the black and white western thinking of the evil white majority and poor black minority. It's a big world out there and not everyone is black or white.

All of Africa is not, and was not, black. Not only that, but Cleopatra wasn't even Egyptian. She was Mecedonian Greek--a white chick.

Surprised at this vacuous take.

Sorry, but the criticism is warranted. The issue isn't so black and white (pun intended). The peoples of north Africa are not "black" as sub-Saharan Africans are. Egyptians, Arabs, Berbers, all look a lot more like Mediterranean Europeans and Levantines than they do sub-Saharan Africans. And Cleopatra, along with her whole dynasty, was Greek for pity's sake. In ancient Egyptian art, the Egyptians portrayed themselves with coppery or reddish or swarthy skin. But they also depicted the Nubians -- who were black, sub-Saharan Africans -- in their art, and they depicted them with very dark, almost black skin.

This issue wouldn't bother us so much of the film industry weren't so clearly pushing an agenda, and if it weren't so obviously a one way street. Achilles, Anne Boleyn, Cleopatra, Zeus, Guinevere, Joan of Arc, Margaret of Anjou, Friar Tuck, Robert de Beaumont, et al. there is a whole list of unquestionably white historical or quasi-historical characters who have been played by black actors in recent productions. But if you were to make a film and cast a white performer as a non-white character... Well, that draws screams of outrage; Kate Bosworth, Scarlett Johansson, and Gal Gadot have all drawn harsh criticism for this -- and in Gadot's case, for playing Cleopatra who was white, though many ignorant people seem not to understand this.

Isn't this kind of thing "cultural appropriation" or some such bullshit, or doesn't it count if the person whose identity is being appropriated was white?