[deleted] - Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (2019) Discussion

If you liked all the movies, why would you care what others think?

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It's not that he cares what people think. It upsets him to think that the movies may have always appealed to a certain demographic.

For example, I love The Breakfast Club. One day I was on Reddit, and people were saying it was the greatest 1980s movie because it showed what being white was like then. I was shocked because I never saw it as a "white" movie. It's just a movie about high school and how people from different backgrounds can find common ground.

All I had to do was mention was that I was a minority who enjoyed the film to get downvoted like crazy and patronizingly told that I had "my" movies to watch (School Daze). It was like the fans of the movie refused to accept this idea that minorities may have also enjoyed and related to the movie.

Because of this incident, I soured on the film because the reaction I got on Reddit made me feel as if it wasn't meant for people like me anymore, since the biggest fans of the film were practically offended at this idea that I could like it, too. Later, I got over it because I realized that Reddit is filled with racist anti-SJW millennials and GenY trolls, so who even knows if the people who told me this about The Breakfast Club were GenX?

I think that's what's upsetting the OP. All of these "fans" online are making him feel as if angry white males were the only people it was meant for and naturally, you don't want to think that a movie you enjoyed panders the most to the worst type of people.

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[–] TandyMan (10367) 5 years ago

That's shitty. But you're spot on with that movie. All the people from my background and generation just decided to own that film and they don't want to share it with nobody. Toxic inclusive fandoms are definitely a thing. And I tell you what, a lot of kids back in the 80s didn't even like Breakfast Club when it came out. It was mostly for loners and outcasts. Then I Love the 80s nostalgia culture swooped in and changed everybody's memories.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

No, you're wrong about this.

Many of these "fans" are white supremacists, Incels and culture warrior trolls on YouTube and social media who never saw Star Wars and are just using it to spread their toxic agenda on Reddit, YouTube and social media. Others are just assholes who jumped on the "hate the prequels/George Lucas" bandwagon ever since they saw Red Letter Media's Plinkett reviews. I repeat: none of them have seen Star Wars.

This is what they do. Masses of them will take a preexisting franchise, hijack it, pretend to be "real fans" and then use it to preach their misogyny and racism to young people. Trust me on it. They do this with any franchise that traditionally had a diverse cast. For example, Star Trek has had 50 year-long history of diversity, yet there are thousands of fake fans who will rant that whenever there is a prominent black or female cast member, the franchise has gone "SJW." This is how you know most of these "fans" are fake because if anyone was a Star Trek fan, they'd know it was diverse right from the beginning and has had black and female captains.

The point is, don't let the bullshit that you read online fool you. The fans of these movies are not the assholes on YouTube or Reddit making tons of "get woke, get broke" videos or raging because there are black and female characters. The fans are people like you and me, who've actually seen these movies. The people online are fake fans who spend all day in their basements figuring out how to use these movies to spread their anti-SJW, pro-Incel agenda.

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[–] sokar (2098) 5 years ago

Yeh i'm gonna call complete bull on your entire post. You are basically doing the same thing about the people you are complaining about.

By your reckoning a fan cannot go online and complain/dislike something because if he/she does then as you stated they are "white supremacists, Incels and culture warrior trolls". No, they are fans complaining about a franchise being completely destroyed for the sake of inclusivity and identity politics.

I saw all the original 3 at the cinema, watched the prequels at the cinema and the new trilogy is garbage, utter tripe filled with feminist idioogy, SJW nonsense and enough identity politics to crush most purple haired feminists to death.

So don't make generalised statements about fans that you have no knowledge of. Instead you would rather do what the media does and blanket insult everyone of them. You do realise Star Wars fans are made up of all colours, genders and races. So again i call bull on your entire post.

A black man/woman disliking Star Wars is a white supremacist, always make me laugh.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

You are not fooling this old broad. Nobody of my generation and older talks the way you do. You talk and sound exactly like these 20-something GenY/millennial YouTubers, right down to their talking points.

Also, you just outed yourself as a non-American. We dont spell "colors" with a "u." Never have, never will. We dont use terms like "reckoning." You are one of those culture warriors I am warning the OP about and either Canadian, British or a foreign national who learned formal English.

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[–] sokar (2098) 5 years ago

Uhmm ok then. Guess the fact i'm nearly 60 must be a lie, thank you for changing my birth certificate and setting me straight.

No i am not american, i'm english, you know the country that invented the language. Also what does that have to do with anything.

Reckoning is not a term it is a word, those pesky english language words meaning "the action or process of calculating or estimating something". Strange why you think that, very strange.

And what was your reply about?

I'm no culture warrior i just say it as i see it.

I was thrilled when they made TFA, absolutely thrilled. Rey didn't bother me, Finn didn't bother me, Poe Dameron didn't bother me, all the other charaters didn't bother me and then i saw it.

Disliking something on it's face value does not make you sexist or racist or any other ism you wish to choose.

Just because you happen to be a Disney fanboy/girl won't stop anyone from disagreing with you about these atrocious films and it certainly doesn't make them white supremacists which is a ridiculous statement. Guess all those black fans are gonna be in for a surprise when you call them that.

The fans of these movies are the ones on Youtube, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter and everything else because that is where everyone goes to discuss movies, you know, on the Internet.

Your replies are wierd at best.

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[–] tom8 (2899) 5 years ago

you are correct... atomicgirl is indeed full of smelly bullshit.... it is proven

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[–] janelsenor (2042) 5 years ago

lol at how mad you got.

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[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 5 years ago

ooooor ... they made poor movies so consistently that the fans reacted to the degree of low quality. Yes there were some racists and misogynists complaining about some things but those were not the things that disenchanted the majority. Nope. That would be the fact that the prequels/sequels were bad movies. But some bigots make some noise and there goes the blanket of racism ... oh wait, I mean "white supremacy" thrown over anyone who doesn't like it. Whatever.

I am surprised that I'm not racist for hating the new Aliens movies too.

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[–] JaqenHgar (681) 5 years ago

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[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

Agreed! That's what I alwasy say!!

It's important to subvert expectations.

I propose:
- Stripper spectacles. Lots of boobs.
- Superheros. Why not 'Spider-Rey" or 'Jedi-Panther'?
- More boobs.
- Blackwash R2-D2! Enough with white R2 units!!
- Musical numbers. Kylo singing to Rey 'Let it gooooo, side with meeeee'.
- More empowered women with different hair colors. It doesn't matter it they're decoration, but they must be empowered decorations.
- Cthulhu monsters (Obi Wan vs mi-go troopers).
- Ghosts.
- And more boobs (ghosts included).
- And burkas. Progressives hate boobs and naked bodies. To soothe them, you can dress some characters with burkas.
(If that's not enough, add some blacks, that'll do the trick).

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[–] JaqenHgar (681) 5 years ago

As someone who grew up with "Star Wars" long before the prequels and sequels were made, I wasn't mad about the additions of a black Stormtrooper and female Stormtrooper. I was, admittedly, just a tad confused by the deviation from the canon that existed up to that point. The prequels established that all Stormtroopers were clones of Jango Fett and therefore if a Stormtrooper did remove their helmet, they would be both a male and identical copy of Jango. The new sequels essentially retconned that and that is more than likely the main reason why those die-hard fans take offense to Finn and/or Phasma. Personally though, I don't care about that. I have other issues with the new direction of the franchise, but that's another story.

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[–] furiousstyles (4359) 5 years ago

Wrong , the stormtroopers in a new hope were not clones , they were recruited by the empire, this was explained in numerous lucas approved books in the 80s , the sequels did not retconned this at all , clones are clone troopers , stormtroopers are natural recruits as the clones all but died out by ANH came around due to the accelerated growth rate .

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[–] furiousstyles (4359) 5 years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper_(Star_Wars)

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[–] furiousstyles (4359) 5 years ago

The Imperial Stormtrooper Corps swell in size after Palpatine completely replaced the clones with recruits and conscripts of the Empire[citation needed], though the replacement of clones with natural beings lowered the effectiveness of the Empire's soldiers. With the Empire firmly stabilized and an Imperial Army and Navy established, the stormtroopers are integrated into Palpatine's personal army and stationed on Imperial bases and cruisers, as well as on the Death Star

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[–] snepts (11123) 5 years ago

I think it's funny that all the additions you listed were mostly missteps the franchise took. I don't care THAT Rey is female or that Finn is Black, it's just that it doesn't feel like mature film making. They weren't convincing, and TLJ was a bad film, in my opinion. Jar Jar was an abomination on a lot of levels. I wanted to enjoy these later films, and as a SW fan I'm not very high on the spectrum, but if you enjoy Shakespeare maybe Dick Tracy doesn't cut it for you, if that makes sense.

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[–] JaqenHgar (681) 5 years ago

Jar Jar was an abomination on a lot of levels.

That’s why if I decide to sit down and watch the series, I watch them in the machete order. That way I only see him very fleetingly.

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[–] mitzibishi (1617) 5 years ago

Wachowski's released the sequel Matrix movies and the fans got mad, nobody liked them.

Why are you choosing Star Wars fans to vent on?

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