For the idiots that say J.J Abrams never finishes anything :
Apparently he did!
https://movieweb.com/star-wars-8-9-original-scripts-story-scrapped-jj-abrams/
He created drafts and outlines for episode 8 and 9. So... there's that!
Oh, so you read them? He tied everything up huh? Oh, wait...
shareI don't argue that he tied everything up. I'm just saying that he had an idea of where the story should go. In contrast to what people on here say. The J.J Abrams bashing has taken many forms, one of them is this idea that he is a mystery box guy that never finishes stories or plotlines. When asked about this, people only respond with : well look at LOST! and TFA! forgetting that the fucking guy has made more stuff than just those 2.
I'm just trying to say that he didn't just make stuff up and abandoned it. It's not his fault that Rian Johnson couldn't even bring himself to read his stuff or even watch TFA....
Normally, I don't bash Abrams except for "Lost" which he already admitted during a Howard Stern interview that he never intended to answer questions posed on the show because he thought it would only last one season. But two things bother me:
1.
"Abrams said he wished he were making Star Wars 8 based on Rian Johnson's script."
Abrams didn't know that Johnson's script was crap?
2.
Johnson had said he went to Abrams to get input on continuing the story and Abrams wasn't forthcoming. Abrams just basically told Johnson to do his own thing. Why not present some ideas since it was continuing his own story and Johnson asked for direction?
I'm not blaming Abrams for this fiasco though. Disney and Kennedy don't know what they're doing. I'd have no problem with Last Jedi being guttered and starting fresh with the Abrams outline for a new Episode 8. Better yet, I prefer to restart the whole trilogy with Lucas and Kasdan at the helm.
Where is the proof for all of this though? I haven't seen him actually saying that he went to JJ Abrams and he told him to just do his own thing. I read reports that Rian Johnson didn't even see TFA. So its all very conflicting.
Maybe Abrams saw Johnson's script and thought : ''holy hell thats bad. I wish I were directing Ep8!''.
Who knows at this point.
Abrams was a Last Jedi executive producer so he read the script along with Disney execs and Kennedy. Someone approved his script.
I can't remember which interview I listened to (on youtube) about Johnson consulting with Abrams, just this one RE: doing his own thing. Of course, Johnson could've been lying to defend his garbage movie or been misquoted.
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-jj-abrams-thinks-about-star-wars-the-last-jedi-according-to-rian-johnson-2017-12
"I read reports that Rian Johnson didn't even see TFA."
I don't believe Johnson is a real SW fan because he doesn't appear to know much about SW in general. He's bragging that his movie shows anyone can be a Jedi - not just a Skywalker. All fans know this already. Obiwan, Quigon Mace Windu and Yoda were not Skywalkers.
I thought it was a bad sign when Johnson decided to move Kylo's scar because he didn't think its location was good. That was the first hint that this guy didn't care about continuity.
Let's see if Abrams can fix this mess with Episode 9.
Abrams maybe read Johnsons script, but did Rian read Abrams script or scriptnotes/outlines for episode 8 and 9?
Because apparently Abrams made plot outlines for 8 and 9 and Rian thought 'nah fuck it, i'll do my own thing'.
Abrams maybe didn't have any say in Johnsons script. Remember what happend to the last person to disagree with Rian Johnson? He got fired over 'creative differences'. (Colin Trevorrow).
Trevorrow sounded like an egomaniac and difficult:
http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/star-wars-episode-8-colin-trevorrow-firing-explanation.html
''Then, during preproduction on Episode IX, Trevorrow’s relationship with Lucasfilm top brass became reportedly “unmanageable” over the course of “repeated stabs at multiple drafts” of the script.''
''“During the making of Jurassic World, he focused a great deal of his creative energies on asserting his opinion,” the executive explains. ''
Bear in mind that these are all rumors and not officially confirmed (probably never will). But if this is true, It sounds more like Colin Trevorrow wanted to be a actual director telling his story, instead of doing EVERYTHING the studio wanted to do. People are quick to judge. I have seen all his movies (there aren't alot) and they are all something special. The Book of Henry was kinda weird, but I liked it. He maybe took those stabs at the drafts or scripts because they were horrible and he didn't want Star Wars to get ruined (like with TLJ). After all, Mark Hamill said he was very happy with what Colin Trevorrow cooked up for Episode 9. If he is so unbearable, why would Mark Hamill be so happy with his direction?
Listening to Colin Trevorrow speak about Jurassic World and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom has given me much more hope and faith in him. He sounds like he knows his shit. He even predicted Book of Henry didn't do so well. He just wanted to make it because he found it was important for him as a director to tell original stories. He doesn't sound pretentious or egomaniac at all to be honest.
Just give his interviews a watch and you will see.
Even after all this, he could still be unbearable and egomaniac. Everything could be since nothing is official. But if I were to choose which person is most likely to blame for the horrible stuff with Star Wars, Colin Trevorrow would be all the way down. I'd put Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson at the top.
“There’s one gatekeeper when it comes to Star Wars and it’s Kathleen Kennedy,” says a veteran movie producer, who has worked with the studio chief. “If you rub Kathleen Kennedy the wrong way — in any way — you’re out. You’re done. A lot of these young, new directors want to come in and say, ‘I want to do this. I want to do that.’ A lot of these guys — Lord and Miller, Colin Trevorrow — got very rich, very fast and believed a lot of their own hype. And they don’t want to play by the rules. They want to do shit differently. And Kathleen Kennedy isn’t going to fuck around with that.”
This article keeps acting like Kathleen Kennedy is so great and all the new directors are horrible egotistic assholes who think they are amazing. Kathleen Kennedy is called a gatekeeper, protecting the franchise. If she is SOOOO good, and she REALLY protects Star Wars, then explain how a clusterfuck of a horrible movie like The Last Jedi got made..
"If he is so unbearable, why would Mark Hamill be so happy with his direction?"
A person could have great ideas but still be difficult to work with. Also, Book of Henry lost money making only $4.5 million at the box office. Disney has shown they don't want to take chances which is why they continue to play it safe by recycling the old SW movies. After saying the EU was no longer canon, they've begun to take ideas from it.
"Kathleen Kennedy is called a gatekeeper, protecting the franchise. If she is SOOOO good, and she REALLY protects Star Wars, then explain how a clusterfuck of a horrible movie like The Last Jedi got made."
I think her job is to make money for Disney - not to protect the franchise. That includes attracting more moviegoers who are female and non-white which is why you see more diversity. My guess is Lucas' original treatment didn't have that especially if it was focused on the Skywalker family.
I think we can both agree that Kennedy doesn't know what she's doing. Dumb move after dumb move. Three writers for one trilogy invited continuity issues. Recently hiring the Game of Thrones TV show creators to create a new SW show is stupid since they're not the ones who wrote the books. She appears to be as dumb as a wall.
I don't argue that he tied everything up. I'm just saying that he had an idea of where the story should go.
So did George Lucas, and to be frank, I'd rather hear HIS ideas.
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