Why this movie is weak


What this one misses is a direct tie in their time travels: that's what made the second one awesome, that it was not just another adventure in time, but they had to go back and fix the events in the same sequences of the first one.
I'm not saying the same should have happened here again, but they should have anted up on that same time travelling sequence somehow: the events that start off in the far west could go down to have consequences in either 1955 or 1985 or 2015, and that needs fixing or something like that.

Maybe they were afraid it would be too confusing (which is what made the second one awesome: to keep track of it all), but instead of doubling down, the filmmakers decided to take a breath, stand back and relax and just have an adventure in the past, in the far west, where the focus shifts on Doc.
But who cares about that?

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BTTF Part II is not awesome. It's a guilty pleasure sequel that relies more on gimmicks than characters or story, and it's plot is basically just one giant plot hole.
As vitriolic as it may seem, I think people just let Part II off easily because of it's direct attachment to such a classic.

I've listed the majority of reasons why Part II is weak here: https://moviechat.org/tt0096874/Back-to-the-Future-Part-II/5f6c62a5f6f3171e4ef3fc36/Weakest-movie-in-the-trilogy


Edit: Oh wait, I see the OP has already commented on my thread, but had nothing to counteract with except a troll post. Sad.

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Do you understand that your "list of reasons" is a hugely preposterous post?

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Care to elaborate on that, boyo?

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You still haven’t answered my question...

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It's like 'The Terminator (1984)'.

Basically there's a solid movie with a thought-out story.

The sequels then either copy that story and dilute it in the process, or make a story OUTSIDE of the interesting parts of the original story, and fail to be entertaining or interesting (or make sense).

The sequels to Back to the Future should never have been made, the first movie is nonsensical enough.. they should never have gone to the future, as they only had to have knowledge that would have changed the future anyway, they didn't have to go there.

It's hard to believe that Marty wouldn't warn his son about Griff's stuff, like.. what was Marty thinking?

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Plutonium

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I liked it. I think it's perfectly relaxed movie to watch on Sunday morning.

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Yes I agree, it's exactly that.
A heartfelt compliment, like when Bill Gates complimented Jobs on the first macintosh by saying
"I like it. It's the computer I would buy for my mom."

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It's not a weak movie.

To me, it just seems unfamiliar to the franchise.

Lloyd and Fox were great. Mary Steenburgen was a nice addition.

But it looked like everything was just put together so quickly.

"Hill Valley" looked a liked a movie set in this one.

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In my opinion it is not. It is not the best of the trilogy yes, but still a very entertaining movie.

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I like it ok, but most of what I like in it comes from the previous 2. I expected more.
Most of the new ideas feel out of place or pale repetitions of previous ideas.
I wish it kept the bar as high, but it could have been worse too, so ok.

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You still haven’t answered my question, Heisenberg.

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"Back to the Future (1985)" is a pretty good movie, as far as entertainment, atmosphere, funny feel and all that is considered. A nice premise, cool effects, great 1980s magic..

Of course when you look at it more objectively or take away the 'magic' aspect of it, and the premise (that really goes nowhere - it's a lot like E.T. in that someone is 'stranded' somewhere (or somewhen), and just has to get back, and does at the end, close curtain), you're basically left with strangely incestuous story with a lot of filler and kind of weak basic core.

Marty goes to past, then tries to get back to present, and does. His running around in the fifties alters the timelines, so that the other Marty has to live a miserable existence in poverty with weak dad, alcoholic mom and dead doc, while 'our Marty' that we see the adventure of, steals the other Marty's life, riches, girlfriend, family, car, etc. and as a bonus, even gets to see Biff as a weak and supplicating man in a non-threatening position.

When you think about it, the movie isn't that interesting, nothing that much happens, it doesn't expand your thought, it doesn't go to wild adventures in different times, it doesn't really explore what time really is, and in how different ways you can think of it (in the part II, Marty's past happens in the future, so is it past or future? There's a 'personal timeline' that's separate from 'everyone's timeline' - but none of this is really explored).

The potential is wasted in some silly 'get your parents to fall in love' story that's not very interesting (the movie is just so well done, and so intense, it seems interesting). Why is it always a 'love story'? I'd rather have seen exploration of different times, and how future knowledge can make living in other timelines fascinating, etc.

But it's just a typical 'stranded' trope that gets back home in the end. Nothing new, nothing too interesting.

Now when it comes to Back to the Future Part II, it's _EVEN_ thinner storyline!

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Back to the Future Part II should probably never have been made. It doesn't offer anything to the viewer except some 'wacky predictions' and flying cars. And of course the non-existent hoverboard.

The plot of 'Back to the Future Part II' is: "try to get the MacGuffin". That's the whole plot, everything around that core plot is just filler or things to make that core plot seem viable. It's just background structure to hold this weak story (if it can be called such).

What's so interesting about 'can he get an object' that goes on and on and tricks you into thinking he finally got it, when he didn't?

What's interesting about Biff ALWAYS ending up being covered by manure?

How can that 'evil Biff' that was so hell-bent on murdering Marty, just go back to the 'sweet, timid Biff' that waxes George's car? Didn't they change history AGAIN when they did that whole almanac-thing? Surely Biff would have retained resentment about the manure and everything.

Also, how can Biff be evil in 2015, when he's non-evil in 1985? Makes no sense.

That whole movie is a failure in so many levels, it's not even funny. But the worst sin of all; it doesn't have the same kind of magical atmosphere, EVEN though it was made in eighties! (Of course it was the late eighties, which already lacked the magic mostly)..

Why can't old Doc remember anything the 1955 Doc knows and experiences? How can he even ask 'what idiot dressed you like that', etc.? Also, the whole 'rescue operation' is completely unnecessary for the same reason going to the future is unnecessary; all you need to do is TELL the Doc stuff, and that would make him change his behaviour in the future.

Also, does Marty really have to go to wild west? Couldn't he just go to 'earlier in 1955' so he could meet with Doc and tell him what will happen if he doesn't take precautions? (Although he doesn't have to, because old doc should remember what 1955 knows about him dying in the wild west)..

Only the first movie is somewhat valid..

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But even the first movie falls apart because of the tacked-on 'super happy ending' stuff, which destroys so many things, and then there's the terrorist-threat anyway, would the Libyans really stop avenging now that two of their men are DEAD in addition to the plutonium having been stolen from them..? So even the first movie barely makes sense, the sequels are a TOTAL, unnecessary mess.

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"Also, the whole 'rescue operation' is completely unnecessary for the same reason going to the future is unnecessary; all you need to do is TELL the Doc stuff, and that would make him change his behaviour in the future."

Change his behaviour to avoid getting struck by lightning? Good luck with that.

The 2nd film is actually pretty unique even though it is largely macguffin driven, I respect the fact it wasn´t a complete rehash of the first film like 3 was and was actually an original idea.

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I think you are trying to make it be something that it is not.
It is exactly a story about going back to where we were. Fixing a situation to restore normality.
That's all.
It is not a movie about time travel, paradoxes, the flow of time or existence. These elements are present but the main topic is Marty getting back to the future.
So, it does not waste its potential, it actually keeps focus on its core. Doc hints many times at the other elements and topics related, but it is always shown as ramblings that might be deep or interesting but do not fix the problem. And the time is ticking so...

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But it's just a typical 'stranded' trope that gets back home in the end. Nothing new

well thats not that common is it?
what other movies are in this "stranded" trope?
Castaway and Wizard of Oz come to mind, they are both very different movies

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I want to like Part III, but it's just too lazy and uneventful.

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That sums up my same sentiment for this.

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