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Why wasn't the Nostomo an unmanned ship?


Just load it up from whatever planet they were mining the ore from, and program it to go to its destination, with a beacon on it and a stream or telemetry send out status.

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I guess in case something unforeseen happened, like an impact that necessitated repairs or... something. The crew was kept in stasis, after all, until they were automatically awoken as a result of the emergency signal.

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Well, the obvious answer is that it is all done for the entertainment value of the movie ... but, I mean here were are hundreds of years in their past and we just sent ... what was it $10 billion dollar telescope out to L2 way past where we can get at it or fix it if breaks.

Don't you think the android Ash could have handled anything that broke down?

The Nostromo could have had redundant systems and beacons and telemetry to tell what went wrong with it in case something went wrong, and where it was. Would have made it much smaller, simpler, and after all it was just carrying ore.

The whole idea of carrying ore between solar systems is pretty lame to begin with.

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Don't you think the android Ash could have handled anything that broke down?

That's actually more to the point: why not staff the entire crew with androids? The company would be assured of the complete loyalty of their crew that way.

And if there were real people in the crew just for the sake of using them as vessels for xenomorphs, there'd be no need: Ash the Amicable Android would be perfectly capable of picking up a bunch of those eggs and bringing them to whatever populated area the company wants to experiment on.

The whole idea of carrying ore between solar systems is pretty lame to begin with.

Not if it's ore that's missing in our solar system.

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Like what?
Dilithium Crystals?
Transparent Aluminum?
Unobtainium?
There is no element that is missing in our system.

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There is no element that is missing in our system.

Not yet, no. But who knows what sort of shortages there will be in future. Zinc, tungsten, lead... there are numerous rare elements which are also rarely found in exploitable deposits.

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Asteroids.

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Trouble is there's never an asteroid around when you need one.

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There are asteroids and moons infinitely closer in space and time in our own solar system - and every element is represented. One small sized iron asteroid can supply Earth's needs for a century. The problem with mining the asteroids is getting them down to the surface of the Earth. It takes a lot of energy to stop thing in orbit for it to fall into Earth's gravity well, and then you have to steer and and land it

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There are asteroids and moons infinitely closer in space and time in our own solar system - and every element is represented. One small sized iron asteroid can supply Earth's needs for a century.

Yes, but perhaps those have been exhausted by the time Alien takes place - or perhaps owned by a different company.

Seriously, this is far from the biggest silliness in the film. The biggest one of all is the notion that a mega-corporation should be interested in alien life forms - that's usually the domain of under-funded scientists, who have to plead and beg for every scrap of funding because there isn't much money to be made from such research. And the notion of using alien life as some sort of weapon? Utterly ridiculous. What's wrong with conventional weapons and WMDs? But nooo, let's put our money into some really aggressive alien life forms we can't control.

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One does wonder who it is they think they have to fight, and how throwing zenomorphs at them would be a good strategy?

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My guess is that the huge worth of the mined cargo would make it a requirement for insurance to have a crew.

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What about a crew of androids like Ash. Seems like that would make a lot more sense in every way if you needed a crew, which I maintain if you extrapolate in a logical way from today there would be no need for. Considering the vast amount of stuff in our own asteroid belt, there's really be little need for mining other star systems anyway. And they never do really give us an idea about how long these trips between systems take. From wherever Ripley and the station where she was working was, Earth?, to LV-whatever, must have been within a reasonable time for a human lifetime, or why of any of it. You really would just need some kind of container to hold the ore or cargo in and then aim in the right direction and set it off. Like in The Expanse, accelerate for half the trip, turn around and decelerate until you got close to Earth Orbit, or wherever the destination was.

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You should watch the full movie. In it, because of what was written in the script, the ship is manned by a crew. We can make up any silly notions we like, but unless we are remaking the movie ourselves, it is how it is because of the script and final production. That's why. It is what it is.

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I'm speaking about the plausibility of the fictional world in the movie - clearly.

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My guess is that the Nostromo (owned by Weyland Industries) is the carrier and not the owner of the minerals being transported. Think of them as a modern day MAERSK or HANJIN Corporations who contract with major mining conglomerates to exclusively transport goods. The Crew of the Nostromo are contracted as well BUT their also bonded by both the carrier and the mining company who owns the goods being transported. I forget the term, but in older times a lot of shipping firms back during the industrial revolution and European colonialism used crew members as bonded hostages so to speak and their presence as officers representing the contract ensures that the ships aren't redirected to un-assigned ports and they serve as witnesses to any problems that arise.

The presence of Ash may be seen as a plot hole because with a such an advanced mecha who can perform all human duties with super-natural strength it could be argued that all you need is robots, but I'd counter that Ash is a property of Weyland and not an independent hostage that can be held accountable to the mining company so his allegiance in his programming is already biased, so if anything he's a stop measure if the human crew expires but by then Weyland will be on the bill and responsible to the mining firm(s). Speaking to this of course, we know that Weyland pre-programmed the ship to stop and investigate any signs of new life and to bring it back to earth if the new life is deemed more valuable then the crew and the cargo itself. It stands to reason that having Ash to verify the value of the xenomorph was the end goal to bring it back, cargo and crew be damned. This is however all fouled up by the prequels and their own weird agenda which to this day still makes no sense to me.

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The answer to the original question is fairly obvious really. The company ( or somebody in their employ) wanted a specimen and an unmanned space ship wouldn't have deviated from it's course to investigate the beacon as per company policy.

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The company ( or somebody in their employ) wanted a specimen and an unmanned space ship wouldn't have deviated from it's course to investigate the beacon as per company policy.


The question I read is that there was no need for a manned spacecraft and all that you needed was a robot. I think your interpretation of "unmanned" is different?

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Well a robot couldn't get infected hence no specimen.

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You never know ... especially in a move like this where nothing has to make any sense. The alien, xenomorph, didn't seem to have to eat anything to grow ... so why would it even have had to gestate inside Kane at all?

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To adapt to its surroundings

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None of it makes any sense, but the first two are at least good fun.

As to the investigation of new life ... to me that is another plot hole.
Who wants a bunch of halfwit idiots who cannot follow directions to be
the first human contacts with any species? Especially when it seems
so easy to send a dedicated ship out there ... as we see can happen
P.D.Q. when LV-whatever went dark and they had to get those Marines
out there.

Newt didn't grow up in the time it took the Sulaco to get there.

Nah, that part of the narrative was just as wacky as everything else.

How would they even know what the aliens they meet would be, and that
they would not be shopping for whatever kind of ore the Nostromo was
transporting.

It's very imaginative to fill out the fantasy movie with ideas, but the
company is talked about pretty consistently in this movie as being THE
COMPANY, like a fascist conglomerate that runs the world ... the extension
of our oil companies of today.

Looking back on this movie now too it is so funny to the see the CRT
monitors and the keyboard interface to Mother. Oh lordy ... loved it when
I saw it though.

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Is there any exciting movie about an unmanned ship possible?

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Sure:

Unmanned ship gets into trouble; people back on earth have to deal w/the results
Unmanned ship runs into alien species
Unmanned ship gains sentience
Unmanned ship runs into another unmanned ship, AI battle/conflict ensues

etc, etc, etc. . .

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As others on this thread have already pointed out, there is are number of fanfic scenarios you could come up with to explain your question. I always assumed it was a simple cost analysis: posit that creating an android like Ash would be HIDEOUSLY expensive, so that part answers itself. As far as the crew, it could be any of the suggestions given above, or a Union consideration, or political, or. . .the possibilities are endless.

Bottom line: it's not addressed, because it's not necessary. There's no issue here.

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People appear to have forgotten that it wasn't until Aliens an Android being on a ship was standard also only one of them the same question could be asked my not all Androids.

No one even knew Ash was not a human I expect had them known he was an Android they would of refused or it could of at the time been due to regulations.

Androids had problems look at Ash also anyone that has worked doing a job like construction etc will know at times you have to think outside the box Androids at the time can't do that plus the cost compared to humans is massive.

If lets say every ship could be Androids only what would be the point of humans every job could be done by Android our species would have no purpose it also appeared people didn't trust Androids.

I believe as well only a human can have a claim on something this is another reason you would need a person to go on the ship plus if all computer systems went down I expect a manual control is available which a human can only control.

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While the ship could be automated, it had systems on-board that maybe couldn't? Sometimes you need a manipulator (like fingers) to take care of some work. This is a mining vessel. It's conceivable that there are things that need to be done that could be taken care of by one person but not one machine. If you AI the Nostromo, it can't drive the dune buggy to the mining site, set up the mining camp, and get into the mining exo-suit to extract ore (I'm making up all of this stuff, so please don't skewer this on "Aha! There wouldn't be a mining camp! Because...etc.")

So, why not AI all of those systems? Or have an AI crew? Excellent questions. Some possibilities:

1) There is a limit to allowances of AI control for practical reasons, possibly as policy (from Weyland-Yutani) or law (from government). Maybe this is just a redundancy, but what if the AI goes nuts or malfunctions, too? What if whatever caused the malfunction in the ship also shorted out the android? Humans will still operate just fine. So maybe W-Y has a policy in place to prevent this (only 1 android per ship, for instance). Or maybe it's the government, worried about android/AI takeover, so they insist on mostly human crews. Never underestimate politics in the face of efficiency.

2) Human ingenuity can adapt to problems that AIs can't (perhaps). Humans aren't logical or reasonable. That's often a strength. Maybe AIs think too much "inside the box" and a human can circumnavigate that. This might be an even greater asset in deep space which is such an unknown.

3) It's a union thing. In the Alien universe, maybe the rise of AI precipitated some union legal clauses about humans keeping jobs, especially for the blue collar people who tend to get the shaft.

4) Androids aren't as mass-manufactured as we think. Is it possible that synthetics (in the Alien universe) require too much individualized development to effectively mass-produce them and make every starship's every crew member an android?

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This is the correct answer, with the summation being that ever-popular box to check in grade school testing: Not Enough Information. We simply don't know enough about the world they're living in to provide an accurate answer to this, so any of the above are more than reasonable options, or a dozen others.

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It could easily be some combination, too. "All of the above". But, yeah, we don't have enough info to extrapolate exactly why. The movie is also clever enough not to dwell on the presence of AI systems, and therefore give us too much information to rule out the "Why not just use robots?" question.

We do know that the ship's AI isn't as sophisticated as the AI in the synthetic because Mother doesn't respond to inquiries in a conversational manner. She's closer to a library computer.

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Also worth noting that only one android is sent on the military mission in the sequel as well, hinting that they're not as plentiful and disposable as the OP is suggesting. Why put people in danger if we could just have a robot army blowing the aliens away?!

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Yup. Maybe if you put too many robots together you get a Skynet situation...

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> hinting that they're not as plentiful and disposable as the OP is suggesting.

How does that hint at that? Didn't they say it is standard operating procedure to include a "synthetic person" in the crew?

In the original movie they say the crew was expendable, so in order for the crew to be expendable they must have considered the android could pilot the ship home.

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Yes, everything you're saying means that they could send ONE android, and they did! But not more. So the entire ship couldn't have been populated with androids, humans were also needed.

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That makes no sense.

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Lol, what?

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He ran out of arguments, plain and simple.

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Ash had fingers.
The ship's voyage was point to point. Presumably whatever loaded it was on the mined planet and still there.
Remember that this is hundreds of years in the future, so not AI of today.
The humans are the ones that went nuts, but the AI was right there with them.
Shorted out? LOL, that's rich.
There is a lot more chance that a human would have problems, atmosphere, temperature, hibernation, etc.
All the maybes just add up to one big maybe, no real facts of logic.
Human ingenuity wasn't much help to save the ship.
The Union point makes some sense, a political issue, but the company seems to get what it wants, so probably not so much -especially considering the cost of all the additional stuff they have to take along to support the humans, and the additional liability/cost if someone is injured or dies.
The cost of an android compared to the cost of the ship, and putting humans aboard it.

This is the problem with humans ... they will stick with some emotional attachment and ignore the facts forever. You and others show it in your comments perfectly.

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The idea of a sci-fi universe having equipment that runs out of fuel or gets disabled is "rich" as though those plots haven't come up in Star Trek and Firefly and...well, y'know...almost all of them.

Human ingenuity came up with a lot of possible solutions. The impossibility of besting a xenomorph isn't most situations.

How do you know what it takes to make the android vs. the ship. The android components are gooey. Are they goo circuits? Maybe these aren't things that you can just mass-produce and get out there.

I'm not ignoring facts any more than you're ignoring possible data that disagree with you. There's no need to be rude about it, either.

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I'm thinking any scientist would consider this a no-brainer ... it's so obvious people are defending the movie rather than thinking about the scenario. It would be so much cheaper, with no need for a massive lander with life support, hibernation pods, food, water, or even air pressurization, probably 3 Nostromos could be build for the price of that lander. I didn't mean to be rude, just ironic, sorry.

I would think the more expensive an android is to build, the more they would need to justify having one on board. Again, I'm not trying to be rude but I think we can discount the idea that the cost of the android is significant to the cost of the ship itself. Unless it could handle things by itself, which come to think of it the directive was the the crew was expendable, so Ash must have been able to handle the ship by himself.

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it's so obvious people are defending the movie rather than thinking about the scenario.

Yeah, but you see the problem with that is that we are NOT talking about the scenario. We are talking about the scenario AS DEPICTED in Alien. So obviously we are trying to come up with explanations the movie's universe would allow, and not necessarily what real life would allow. Don't get me wrong: both are fun to speculate about and discuss, but this is not a Space Travel forum's Deep Space Mining section, but it's MovieChat's (a forum about movies) Alien (a movie) section. That's where you are.

So in our explanations - besides real life of course - we are trying to make sense of events based on such factors as

- The filmmaker's intent by depicting the event
- Narrative justification for the event
- In-universe information about the (technological, societal, etc.) background of the event
- In-universe speculation about the state of mind of characters being involved in the event

You seem to take issue with these four points in particular, and keep demanding real life explanations which we obviously won't provide, because that's not the topic of this conversation.

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It would be so much cheaper, with no need for a massive lander with life support, hibernation pods, food, water, or even air pressurization, probably 3 Nostromos could be build for the price of that lander.

Now, this point of yours would be met with praise from me (and I think from most of if not all the participants in this thread) if it was posted in Space Travel forum's Deep Space Mining section. You are right! If we were to build that thing, one of the first approaches would be cost reduction, need for life support, etc. But this is a movie. There is a narrative reason for humans to be on the ship. And since they ARE on the ship (as evidenced by the movie), when you ask why they are there, we are not thinking about real life approaches, instead we are coming up with in-universe speculation. And we find it fun to engage in those - you obviously don't and hey, no harm no foul, just don't expect anything else from us.

Try as you might you cannot counter the in-universe explanations with your "that wouldn't work in real life" arguments, because they are two different conversations. Some real life implications are obviously acceptable, but not all of them, it's tricky to find the line, and it's also fun to discuss, but there has to be a point where these real life assumptions stop working, simply because the depicted scenario wouldn't allow for them to work.

I tried to think up an analogy, so here it is: You are trying to compete with a tennis racket on a ping-pong tournament. You might return some serves and even win some rallies, but have no chance of winning any matches here, since you are in the wrong sporting event...

Speculating about real-life space mining is fun. Speculating about this movie's universe is fun. Playing ping-pong is fun. Playing tennis is fun. Nothing wrong with doing any of those activities. But these are all separate things - wouldn't you agree?

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"Because the movie needs to happen!"

-- Pitch Meeting Guy

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That's the only reason I can think of. ;-)

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Maybe there was some kind of law prohibiting an android taking a humans job. By the time of Aliens (57 years later) one android was deemed acceptable or even necessary, especially on a military vessel.

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It just seems to me that if you have to make up all kind of weird explanations, it detracts from the suspension of disbelief.

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Well when you consider that between Alien and aliens that having an android as part of the crew has become normal practice, then it is simply theorising why androids aren't crewing spaceships. After all, asking why the ships aren't unmanned has already detracted from your suspension of disbelief, hence the original question.

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