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The biggest douchebag in Rock history?


I can't think of anyone else than him. Although, he seems to have matured somewhat these days.

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Glenn Frey was IMO another douchebag in rock history, I lost respect for the Eagles (especially on the songs Glenn sang on) after I read Don Felder's book, Axl Rose is definitely up there, he's the reason why Guns 'N Roses never made it as huge as bands like Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin and AC/DC

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His ego got to the best of him. Although, GnR is still very popular though.

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Plus Axl would show up to concerts 2-3 hours late on purpose which is something many rock singers would never do, I don't blame Izzy leaving the band in late 1991 during the Use Your Illusion tour.

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GnR is definitely in the same league as those 3. They are one of the biggest selling rock artists of all time. I'd guess they would be right there with the numbers, but those bands have a couple decades on them. Add to that how much music essentially became free at a certain point, and I'd say they are very much Aerosmiths peers.

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Any particular reason why? I don’t know anything about him.

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He attacks fans and he would cancel shows at the last minute prompting riots. He had feuds with his band mates for years due to his ego.

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Was there a reason for cancelling shows? Drunk or drugs? Or just didn’t feel like it?

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If you are into podcasts the Disgraceland one on Guns N Roses talks a lot about Axl‘s dysfunctional upbringing (he was molested by his own Father & physically abused by his Step-Father) & his ongoing psychological problems as a result of that.

It’s kind of makes sense that he wasn’t built to handle success or fame as a young adult when you know his backstory.

A lot of people can’t cope with any form of responsibility when they are broken inside or have had no functional support system around them to teach them right from wrong, let alone any kind of coping skills when they are in their formative years. Axl certainly didn’t have anything resembling normality in his environment when he was growing up.

By the time Guns N Roses had started doing well he had also developed a deep distrust of the media (and had always had a problem with authority) and I believe once he got sober, he couldn’t stand to be around his other band members that were still getting high daily. Axl would show up late & cancel shows not only because he was full of deep self-loathing and didn’t want to perform anymore but also because he was trying to scare/control his band mates into towing the line to give up the drugs and booze after he gave them all ultimatums to get clean or he’d leave the band.

I agree it’s crazy unprofessional, especially by today’s standards but when you’re not emotionally equipped to handle what you can’t control in your life then you either lash out, shut down or implode. Axl did all 3 things.

Do I condone his asshole behaviour? God no but if you dig deep enough & have a basic understanding as to why people who are emotionally crippled don’t behave to societal norms, then ongoing poor behaviour can pretty much be expected.

On top of all that, bad behaviour also gets compounded and often goes unchecked when you are talented and surrounded by enablers which is the very definition of what happens in the Music Industry, especially if you are a hugely successful touring act.

Does any of this excuse such behaviour, absolutely not but you can get an inkling as to why some people end up being so full of themselves and also so completely self-destructive when to us from the outside looking-in, they should be living the dream lifestyle.

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Oh please. I don't buy the whole "Let's blame society" crap. Alot of rock stars had a bad upbringing yet they don't cancel shows at the last minute. That's unprofessional behaviour especially given Axl's status at the time as being the frontperson of one of the biggest rock bands in the world. At some point in life, you have to grow up and take accountability for your own actions.

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All of the above. Or he would show up hours late to concerts. Very unprofessional behavior to paying customers.

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Just to give you an idea of his character. There was a bigass show in the Olympic Stadium of Montréal in the early 90's with Metallica and Guns N' Roses. That's where James Hetfield got burnt by pyrotechnics early in the concert. The guys from Metallica were very bummed as they wanted to please the 55+ thousands of fans that came to see them.

In a documentary I saw on tv a few years later, the guys from Metallica were confiding that they thought "Well, at least "Guns" are still there to save the show." The people waited a full 2 hours before Guns showed on set. Apparently some things weren't to Axl's taste (something about monitors not being at the exact places he wanted them and/or the sound not being good enough) and after 40 minutes, mr Rose yelled something like "This'll be the last you see of us for a good while. Go get a refund!!" and walked away.

In the Metallica documentary, I think it was Lars speaking (James went to the hospital but the other guys stayed behind) or a guy of Faith No More, I don't remember well. He said "Alx got backstage, just sat there, light up a cigarette like nothing was going on. We were shocked... we'd just look at him and be like "What the fuck are you doing!??".

Frustrated fans went into a riot in the streets of Montréal.

All this is from what I remember... I may not have all the facts exactly right but the big picture stays the same. After James' accident, Axl and Guns could have been heroes and save the day. But no... instead he decided to just be the biggest douchebag he could be. Man it must have sucked to be his band mates.

I'm sure there's plenty more instances of him being an asshole.

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Yep. Typical ego of Axl.

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In all honesty, what i fascinating opinion and thread. I’m someone who is really really into the behind the music, drugs and rock and roll story kind stuff. Love music docs.

Axel would be up there . Vince Neil I think would be as well.

I’m gonna think about this some more.

Also in my opinion you can be a great f in musician and rock star and be a huge duche. So when I comment I am commenting on the person not the band or musical talent

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That time when Vince Neil challenged Axl Rose to a fight, lol. Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ_yJnvFGZ0.

Apparently, Axl's bandmate, Izzy Strandlin was making passes at Vince Neil's wife at some award show. Vince punched Izzy and Axl's been badmouthing him since then. I can see Vince's point. It has nothing to do with Axl but between Vince and Izzy.

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And the beef with Nirvana

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That was more on Cobain's end. He couldn't stand Axl or GN'R, but Axl was a fan of Nirvana.

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Seems like a lot of people can’t stand axel

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He seems more mature now and seems to be on good terms with everyone but when he was young, heck yes!

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At least Axel has some talent and a decent voice. Vince has always been a complete, no talent hack and even the millions of dollars spent in the studio couldn't make him sound good.

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Pretty sure Axl is mentally ill. His particular issues make for good music but a shitty person.

That said, I think he finally got help and is medicated now. It resulted in weight gain, but dude is on time for shows and seems a lot more friendly at shows. It makes the show seem more like a Vegas nostalgia act than a kickass rock concert, but they still put on a pretty good show.

It's just a shame the band didn't make more music while they were in their prime.

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Is he medicated though? Where did you hear this? I think he's just gotten older and more mature. It's cringy to see some 50 something year old acting like an ungrateful brat. At least when you're young, it's more "excusable".

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It's my opinion based on my personal experience with people who've had similar issues. If it's true, he's keeping it private.

His change in demeanor wasn't very gradual. I also think it's not a coincidence that Axl's change in demeanor coincides directly with his weight gain, a common side effect of that type of medication. The dude was pretty into being fit well into his late 40s, so I doubt he just let himself go. In fact, it seems like he still tries to keep in shape but just can't keep the weight off anymore, a problem many who are medicated for mental issues have.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

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I do believe he has bipolar disorder, among other mental health issues which have been confirmed.

I read about these issues...trying to remember where, but I think it was one of the guitar or rock music magazines. There was a big article about it.

I think Guns N’ Roses were the last truly dangerous Rock N’ Roll band to exist, where you had no idea what was going to happen at their shows, and they are still one of my all time favorite bands. I finally got to see them (well, 3/5 original members, but I’ll take it) on their “Not in this lifetime” tour in 2016, and they didn’t disappoint. Showed up on time, played for 3 hours, and sounded great! Axl didn’t say a lot, which was shocking, haha.

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I've seen them more times than any band. I agree with you on that point (not knowing what would happen at a GN'R show). Before 2006, Axl was pretty much always late. Plus, there was always a worry that Axl would have a tantrum and stop a show. I distinctly remember mentally noting where the closest exits were should a riot start.

When they started touring again in 2010, Axl looked visibly heavier, and his demeanor was a lot different. He talked less, smiled more, and just seemed like he was having a lot of fun. He's also pretty much always been on time since then.

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That’s what I remember hearing about him back in 87 and 88. He was bipolar manic depressive which was usually treated with lithium.

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He was diagnosed as manic depressive and bi Polar, given power and fame which a mental ill individual is not used to will make you panic also he didn't enjoy being around other guys in the band who was doing drugs and was drunk all the time. Axl was a sober guy and Izzy at times. He actually seeked help. HE was molested apparently and abused my step dad, but it was his step dad who got him to go to church and learn piano and sang gospel for his vocal range.

Metallica show, the equipment was not up to par, you cannot sing and not hear yourself or the music to keep timing, nothing they could do unless they delayed more time.

St Louis--no cameras allowed, security did not make proper checks.

During the whole Axl and new guns, he seeked self medicated therapy and surrounded himself with spirtual people which is why he needed to make amends with Slash and Duff and save the Guns n Roses legacy which he has and a new album will be coming out this year.

Go watch the documentary “Axl Rose: Guns N’ Roses Frontman” on REEELZ tv or youtube if its available, very interesting.

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I've played MANY shows with complete shit sound and you absolutely can get through it and do it well.

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Sounds like you got a crappy band bro

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Sounds like you're an abject moron, bro, since you clearly didn't pick up on the fact that bands (including GnR) don't always have control of the venue's sound system.

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now you are contradicting yourself. Yeah GNR had no control of the venue sound system. Axl couldn't hear himself and the whole system was crap, why would you put on a bad show or risk damages to vocal cords?

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How am I contradicting myself? A professional would know to perform within their ability, regardless of their perception of what is coming out of the speakers.

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the whole show should have been canceled and people refunded

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Cancelling and refunding a show like that is a GARGANTUAN, financial disaster and will be avoided at almost ANY cost. Like everything else, it's all about the money. The promoters honestly don't care one iota about how the fans or even the performers feel. They know they won't lose enough fans (and they didn't) to make any real impact.

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so in fairness, its the promoters fault to keep revenue?

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I don't know if the other circumstances were bad enough to call off the show but if they were, then yes.

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He's up there..

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I think he lived up to the stereotype of burnt out rock star quite well. At least he's still alive even though he looks like Miles Davis' and Pippi Longstocking's lovechild.

There are dozens of bigger douchebag examples imho. Lot of them from across the pond too.

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He can't sing anymore, it doesn't matter.

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