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Was a tiny, petite woman....


...and now is a (very) tiny, petite man. Will that limit his film role opportunities?

Plus, it will always be a distraction seeing him on-screen. It will be very difficult to suspend disbelief and forget that we’re watching the former Ellen Page.

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She still is a tiny petite woman.

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Doofus says what

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Doofus says what?

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He probably has more money than you EVER will, so I don't think HE has to worry about getting work. Now go look in a mirror.

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Money doesn't buy happiness, and exhibit A is El Paige. She/he is still at very high risk for suicide, and while we have nowhere near the net worth that she does, we are almost certainly more happy and content than he/she is. I know I am. Truth be told, I feel sorry for El. Will probably never experience the happiness and contentment that i feel on a daily basis.

I would like to stress that i dont have anything against el. When El was a woman, she turned in some great performances in touchstone movies. He/she didn't choose this, and in the end it is going to consume her, and it breaks my heart as there is nothing we or science can do to help her at this point.

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Speak for yourself, not others. You dont know how they feel.

And money CAN buy happiness. Ask a poor person.

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I can. There is research out there that shows those with gender dysphoria are at extremely high risk for suicide, and gender reassignment surgery does nothing to alleviate that. Evidence that Ellen was/is unhappy is she was willing to kill her career to do this.

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i think studies show that transition surgery lowers suicides

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i think studies show that transition surgery lowers suicides

A lot

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cms/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080/asset/images/large/appi.ajp.2019.19010080f1.jpeg

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That is a link to some random graph, not peer reviewed research.

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That is a link to some random graph, not peer reviewed research.

Here you have that peer reviewed research from which I took the image and that you say it doesn't exist. The "random graph" I linked is the figure 1.

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.19010080

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You are citing a study with the nebulous outcome of "mood". Here is a study that indicates those with gender dysphoria are much more likely to off themselves even after gender reassignment surgery.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

Keep in mind that I am not disparaging those afflicted with this condition. I want to help them. What I am saying is that gender re-assignnment surgery is not the solution.

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I don't get your point.

People with Gender Dysphoria are more likely to off themselves even after gender reassignment surgery? True. And people with clinical depression are more likely to off themselves even after having antidepressants. So what's the point?

What matters is that even if they're not perfect solutions, they improve quality of life and survival chances in both groups, by a lot. Nobody said that they need to be perfect magic pills.

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"What matters is that even if they're not perfect solutions, they improve quality of life and survival chances in both groups"

There is no substantive evidence supporting that position, and we shouldn't be encouraging people to undertake life-altering surgery without that evidence.

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There is no substantive evidence supporting that position

There's quite a few studies following people with Gender Dysphoria after treatment, hormones or/and surgery, and the evidence is clearly that there's an improvement in quality of life.

Here you have a meta-review of 13 surveys following more than a thousand trans women. Conclusion: "Current studies indicate that quality of life improves after sex reassignment surgery"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6546862/

Here you have a meta-review of 29 studies.
Conclusion: "Despite the limitations of the published literature, this review concludes that overall transgender people display poorer QoL than the general population, particularly pre-GAT, and that QoL improves once people are on CHT."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223813/

And if that wasn't enough, a few more studies:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32000747
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32459779/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7397654/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31380229
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30980641/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29564711/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29730870/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29297758/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5925023/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/30126432/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/30121881/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28471328/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29284718/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28972413/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28199359/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28366591/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440516/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26835800/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27576455/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27235282
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27117528
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27117529
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26237928
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26486135
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25401972
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23943260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25401972
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24177489
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12155/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21937168
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2011.02564.x/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21699661
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0030043/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20461468/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16758113
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30286047/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29422399/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28746274/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28873051/
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/trgh.2015.0008

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This thing will always be a women.

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or nothing at all. def no man

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I hope he'll be the next James Bond or Jesus, and win an Oscar too!

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Waycist!

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Oh yeah, he's too whyte to play Jesus, uhh Odin then. He sure would look hot with a beard!

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If I still fancy her, I mean him, does that make me gay, lesbian, bisexual or pansexual?

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Play it safe and go for all of the above.

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Why does it matter? Be attracted to whoever you're going to be attracted to, and be happy if they reciprocate. Also, don't interfere with anyone else being attracted to whoever they're attracted to.

Simple recipe for a happier life, for everyone.

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I was actually having a joke with one of my friends.

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This person will commit suicide at some point. Guaranteed.

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self projecting I see

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Check your vision.

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my visions great. maybe take your own advice from both comments

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She's an ugly dorf.

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Ellen Page is neither a man nor "he". She is a mentally ill woman who needs treatment.

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THIS ^ I would only add in her defence that she also lives in a mentally ill society.

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