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The joke was that she looks like Zira from The Planet of the Apes...


...who was not actual ape. The person she was referring to is not an actual black person.

Therefore it was never racist but a random comment made on another person's looks, a person who actually resembles in full-detail Zira from The Planet of the Apes.

People have been mentioning other people's looks since the beginning of time, it's not a crime.

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That's right, it's not a crime, and Roseanne didn't get arrested.

Roseanne Barr represented ABC by being the lead star of one of their prime time shows, and she got booted for acting like a petulant child in public and mocking someone else's appearance. That's grade school crap she pulled.

She knew better, she caused other people to start walking off the show, starting with a producer, and in response, the show ended up getting canned.

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Agreed.

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I agree! Not a crime but deserving of punishment. Very unprofessional of her and also very self centered, she does not think of the rest of the cast when she pulls that type of crap! No one will take her back on TV now.

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Trump has been very unprofessional and he still has his job. I am not saying he should lose his job, but others have said things in the past and weren't fired because of it. Rosanne should sue.

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Right. It's not a crime. They just threw her into a river to see if she floats...

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According to Roseanne she didn’t even know that she was black. To be fair, the woman doesn’t even look black. She just has a black grandparent.

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And Susan Rice? Nothing ambiguous about her ethnic appearance, clearly black. Roseanne's take:

"Susan Rice is a man with big swinging ape balls."

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Talking about Valerie Jarrett.

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Establishing pattern of behavior.

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No, Valerie Jarrett looks semitic(which she is). Though I will admit that what she said was anti-semitic with the Muslim Brotherhood statement.

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You’re honestly the only one who thinks she actually looks black. You sound like you never seen or heard of semitic people.

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No, Valerie Jarrett looks semitic(which she is). Though I will admit that what she said was anti-semitic with the Muslim Brotherhood statement.
No, Valerie Jarrett is NOT Semitic. Neither are either of her parents Semitic.

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There was another poster who weighed in on Ms. Jarrett and I provided the following response that I am copy pasting to you:

I hope you're not saying that Ms. Jarrett is full black 'cuz anyone with eyes can see that she has a lot of white or other non-black components in her genetic make-up, whether mid-eastern (including North of the Sahara) or whatever.
Irrelevant, non-sensical and historically unaware statement. What does FULL black even mean in the USA?

Ms. Jarrett's genetic makeup? Her parents are both African-American. On the television series Finding Your Roots, genealogical research and DNA testing indicated that Jarrett also has French, Scottish, and Native American ancestry.
Very few People of Color within the United States of America are FULL black, thus the term People Of Color. Get it? Clearly Ms. Jarrett is a Swirl from two parents who themselves were both swirls and both indeed of mixed race.

***As far as referring to her as "Persian" goes, I can do that because she was born in Iran, aka Persia; just like someone born in the USA -- whatever their genetic history -- can be called an American. Don't make this more convoluted than it is (which I realize you're going to keep trying to do).***

You can do that but you would be so, so, so very wrong. US immigration, naturalization and citizenship laws and requirements are not the laws of the world. Thus you have this big to-do in the USA over citizenship and immigration.

Iranian nationality law contains principles of both jus sanguinis and jus soli. Children acquire nationality of Iran through their fathers, but not their mothers. The full nationality law is defined in Book 2 of the Civil Code of Iran, Articles 976 through 991.

To look at Ms. Jarrett, her parents and her grandparents most people who have had contact with people of other countries know that she has Melanin-based ancestry. No, Ms. Jarret is not Persian, she's not of Persian or even middle eastern descent. She's not Muslim. She's never been a Muslim. Her parents aren't Muslim and are more related to the south side of Chicago just as she is.

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Jarret is more Euro than Afro. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

Her parents are both African-American. On the television series Finding Your Roots, DNA testing indicated that Jarrett is of 49% European, 46% African, and 5% Native American descent.

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Jarret is more Euro than Afro. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett
The vast, vast majority of People of Color in the USA are NOT 100% African and are varying ranges of ethnic mixes and skin tones.

How long have you been practicing Colorism? Ms. Jarrett is African-American.

Discrimination based on skin color, also known as colorism or shadeism, is a form of prejudice or discrimination in which people are treated differently based on the social meanings attached to skin color.
Colorism, a term coined by Alice Walker in 1982, is not a synonym for racism. Numerous factors can contribute to "race" (including ancestry); therefore, racial categorization does not solely rely on skin color. Skin color is only one mechanism used to assign individuals to a racial category, but race is the set of beliefs and assumptions assigned to that category. Racism is the dependence of social status on the social meaning attached to race; colorism is the dependence of social status on skin color alone. In order for a form of discrimination to be considered colorism, differential treatment must not result from racial categorization, but from the social values associated with skin color. "The problem of the color line" is a concept created by W. E. B. Du Bois, which explains the divide between light and dark shades of skin color.

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If you didn't create arbitrary rules about who is allowed to be called a monkey, you wouldn't have to stuff people into those tiny little boxes of yours.

Have you ever heard a black man refer to himself as a "POC" outside of politics?

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Poor taste for sure. She deserves everything she's got coming to her. If she hung up her hat 20 years ago I would sing a different tune, but she's a total piece of shit now.

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Zira from Planet of the Apes is not an ape???

http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Zira_(APJ)

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A person in a mask is not an ape. Now, if she had compared her to Clyde from Every Which Way but Loose.....

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...who was not actual ape. The person she was referring to is not an actual black person. 

Therefore it was never racist but a random comment made on another person's looks, a person who actually resembles in full-detail Zira from The Planet of the Apes.


What are talking about? She didn't say she looked like the person who plays Zira, she said she looks like Zira. That means she is comparing the looks to the full make up of the ape Zira. Otherwise she would have said she looks like Kim Hunter, which makes zero sense.

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Just throwing it out there. I don't think the tweet was racist. The word "racist" has been thrown around so much lately that it's basically lost it's meaning.

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I agree with you regarding the term "racist". It truly lost all meaning. Worse, most people don't even use it correctly or understand the definition.

As for the comparison, it was definitely to the ape face and not the actress. Whether or not race was a factor is all conjecture.

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Roseanne is not racist because it was not a statement about Africans, but an individual. Never said Jarrett was an ape.

She compared Jarrett's look to a fictional Humanoid-Ape character. Their masks make them look emotionless.

Here is a long article by Sci-Fi author Sarah Hoyt on Roseanne and Marxists: https://pjmedia.com/trending/stop-buying-the-lefts-pseudo-freudian-analysis/

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It is really amazing how Republicans/Trump supporters will go to such extraordinary lengths to defend and support their racism,. and conversely to complain about and try to point out and make nasty comments by Liberals into racism. Of course this only works for very stupid people, who Trump recognizes and manipulates so easily.

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Plot twist: I'm not a Trump supporter, just a fan of the classic television show Roseanne.

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Of course you are, Trump supporter, troll, same difference.
None of the so-called points makes any difference.
What I wonder about is why Tom Arnold says she wanted to
end the show and how he would know?

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The left's phony outrage over this only shows their immaturity and their hate. They were just words, they don't hurt anyone. If Valerie Jarrett hadn't been such a disgrace I'm sure Rosanne wouldn't have said it.

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She shouldn't have been fired. I am in no way a fan but it didn't affect her ability to do her job.

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