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Do we become more miserable as we get older?


I'm not even 40, but sometimes I look back on my life not knowing how I did certain things. It's almost like I didn't give myself enough credit during those days.

In my teens to my mid-20s, if I was invited to a party, I was all up for it. But if I was invited to a party now, I feel like I don't want to take time out of my day to go to a party. And I don't mean in a getting drunk kind of way. Just generally attending a party. I'd rather just stay home and watch movies or sports.

I recall being younger and excited to watch a movie I was waiting for in the theatre. Now I just feel like it's not worth the effort and would rather stay home. Why go all the way there, buy a ticket, find a seat that is hopefully to my liking when I can enjoy it from the comfort of my own home? And without an audience talking over a movie is a bonus.

Have I just become miserable or am I just an old fogey? Or maybe I'm an old, miserable fogey.

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You've lost your zest for life and want to be comfortable.

You're like a once energetic puppy that is now a lay about dog, happy to watch the world go by.

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no, you just become more realistic about this garbage world we have created for ourselves.

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Well said.

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Maybe. But I also feel like I don't have the energy for it.

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I am happier the older I get. I was miserable when I was younger. And now I am pretty damn happy. I am 34 years old.

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I wouldn't say I'm unhappy, but more of a curmudgeon. I see people having fun, and I'm just like, "no thanks. I'd rather just stay in". It's nice that you get that excitement though.

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Nice:)

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I don’t think that what you do now means or shows you are miserable - unless you feel miserable doing them? If they make you miserable don’t do them.
I also think that when comparing your younger self to your current older aged self and activities there’s always going to be a difference, which generally shows a preference for comfort, not going out much and not doing as much now. When you are younger there is probably more peer pressure and more hedonistic tendencies, activities to fulfil your wants. When older it’s more likely that you are more in tune with your actual needs and what you want to do; the value of money probably means more too so being choosy for example in spending with going out versus staying in.
Generally it is said that in your 20s you take more risks and are trying to find yourself, whereas in your 30s you are typically settling down, knowing yourself better and making better headway in relationships, family stability and career....continuing in the 40s.
There are undoubtedly gender differences too and the ‘mid-life crisis’ happens in your 30s now rather than later.

This quote sums things up very well...
‘Your 20s are a funny old time. You bob about like a lost cork in choppy seas, amid waves of work drama, fickle friendships and financial uncertainty.
Like any crisis, at the time it feels fine. But afterwards, you look back and think, “wow, how did I survive that?”
Which is perhaps why presenter Cathy Newman, 44, hails her current decade as the best time in life.
“Remember, your 40s are so much better than your 20s because you realise how strong you are,” the Channel 4 newscaster tells the Telegraph.’

These make for some interesting reading:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/seven-worst-mistakes-you-can-make-your-30s-a6766681.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/differences-20s-vs-30s-2019-5?r=US&IR=T#self-awareness-exists-where-there-once-was-self-indulgence-4

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11429993

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I have a lot of great memories when I was younger. It's funny, there are places that I think about that I would love to go back to, but I almost feel like it's too much effort.

If I was forced to go back to school, I wouldn't care about waking up and doing school work. It's sitting in class for hours that I find the issue. I honestly don't know how I did it for all those years. How did I not go insane?

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It is amazing isn’t it looking back?!
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Relax Joe. You're just experiencing the natural and normal changes in attitude and energy levels which come with age.
You're not an old fogey. And remember, you'll never be younger than you are right now.

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It's reassuring to hear. I think my best memories are behind me, but I feel exhausted just thinking about how I used to do it.

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But you shouldn't think that way. You should think that the best is yet to come, and it probably is. So enjoy life, and
live it to the fullest. And BTW, a lot of people have probably had the same thought process.

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I get it. Late fifties here. I went to college in the southeast USA, and know several people from Louisiana. I've been to Mardi Gras three times. The last was when I was 27. I was surprised to find myself thinking, I'm getting too old for this shit. Surprised to think that, but also surprised that I was having that reaction to anything when not even thirty.

I look at it this way. Every period of life has its own unique pleasures and challenges. Aging isn't something to be feared, it's going to happen to you no matter what you do. Just enjoy the ride as best you can.

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I'm not scared of getting old. To me, I'm just questioning the shift. It's funny how things I loved before suddenly just seem to go away out of nothing.

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For me, the turning point was around age thirty. Before then, like a lot of young people, I had worried about fitting in, doing the right things, being cool. Then I decided, to hell with what other people think, I'm going to live my life the way I want, do the things I enjoy doing, and share my time with the people I find interesting. I've been a lot happier ever since.

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I told my niece last week who started high school in Septwmber that when you're in high school, you could feel like you want to be the coolest person in the world. But when you leave you realize how uncool you are compared to everyone else in the world.

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When I was 32, I found out by accident that there was a recording studio near where I lived. It was in suburban DC, and was (according to them) the biggest studio on the east coast. They not only did the usual work but also gave classes for aspiring studio technicians. They had a two year long program, consisting of several classes. I asked if I could sign up for the first class only. I had no desire to change careers, I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity about how such places work, get a peek behind the scenes.

Another student there was a 36 year old man. He was learning so he could set up a home studio for his teenage son, who had formed a garage band with several of his friends. Apart from the two of us, all the students were in their late teens and early twenties.

So anyway, one night we were all gathered in the classroom, waiting for the instructor to arrive. He and I were chatting and this exchange occurred:

"What sort of music are you into?" he asked.

"Mostly classical," I said.

"Really? Have you always been that way?"

"No, I was mostly into rock and roll, but got bored with it," I said.

"Why's that?"

I replied, "I dunno. Somewhere along the line, I got tired of hearing the same song over and over, about some sixteen year old losing his virginity."

I said that only at normal volume, and not in any mean spirited sort of way. But -- the other students, 19 and 20 year olds. suddenly froze and hung their heads in shame. Hilarious! I was thinking, I didn't say anything about you specifically! And even if I had, why should you care about what I, a stranger, think?

Yeah, once you let go of caring about what the world thinks, life gets a lot better.

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I'm a rocker who hates sunlight and summer. I've been looked at weird for all of those things. Trust me, I don't care what the world thinks.

Anyway, I hope you laid down some tracks after those classes and recorded a BullSchmidt album.

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Naah, I didn't do any recording there myself. Studio time is expensive. But I've done some stuff at home since then, a Yamaha keyboard, soft synths, and MIDI, and the things I learned there have helped.

For our final class project we recorded a local band. The studio gave them reduced rates in exchange for being recorded by mere students. The "musicians" in that band were utterly hopeless, and we, in the soundproofed control room, were ridiculing them as they played. The pro technician who supervised the session told us a funny story afterward. Early on in his career, he had been in a similar session where the band sucked, and he and his pals had made similar disparaging comments. But unknown to them, they had accidentally left the switch on for the microphone to speak into the musicians' section, and the band could hear everything they were saying. Embarrassing!

He also told me another funny story. You're too young to remember this, but in the late 1960s it was fairly common for albums to sometimes have a sticker on the outer, plastic wrap, bearing a notice to the effect, "This music should be played LOUD!" Human aural response is not directly proportional to volume, and bass notes sound louder in relation to the rest of the music when you turn up the volume. He told me that what such stickers really meant was, "Yeah man, we smoked some really good weed before we laid these tracks, and had a great time blasting out the music when we played it, but the next morning when we listened to it at normal volume the bass was weak. Problem is, we couldn't afford to do it over, so it's like it is."

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Call out young talentless kids. The sake of good music in the future depends on it.

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In what part of suburban DC was this place located???

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Rockville. If you're familiar with the area, it was a short drive from the Twinbrook Metro station. I Googled, and although it's changed ownership it's still in business -- https://omegastudios.com/

Funny story. When I started the class, Barbra Streisand had just done some recording there. She was already gone by the time I started, so I never met her, but they were still telling stories about her. The management spoke of her with glowing praise. "Such a passionate talent, and so dedicated to her craft! Demands excellence from herself and everyone around her, inspiring all to be better than they think they can ever be!"

The rank and file technicians had a different view. I'm sure you've seen the very old comic bit of a wife driving her husband to exhaustion, arranging furniture; picture Wilma Flintstone ordering Fred and Barney, "let's see what that boulder looks like over here" ... then, "no, let's try it over there" ... then, "no, let me see it over here again" -- back and forth, unable to make up her mind, while the two men get drenched with sweat. Apparently Streisand was like that. Couldn't make up her mind, and when something went wrong it was always the technicians' fault, never hers. Their descriptions of her frequently used the word "bitch."

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My Uncle lived there in Rockville and my 6 cousins also grew up there. I also met Nils Lofgren in a bar in Georgetown where he beat me 30 to nothing at a primitive video game (where you batted the thing back & forth like a game of tennis or ping pong) because I'd also never played a video game before.

Nils is also still rocking and rolling even after having hip replacements. Here's one of his recent videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlWuUDKpsOc&t=3s

Nils Lofgren – Pretty Soon (Official Music Video)

In this video he plays the song written by NEIL YOUNG (he was also his lead guitarist before getting hooked up with Bruce):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkSr3etyG9M

Like a hurricane - Nils Lofgren

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Cool! I've met a few celebrities -- Julie Newmar, Garry Kasparov, Frank Borman, Mel Blanc, and about a half dozen others. I've only "met" one big name musician ever, and it wasn't much of a meeting. I pulled into a gas station in Nashville to fuel up, and there was Willie Nelson's tour bus. As I was pumping fuel I looked around the parking lot, and I saw that he was over at the soft drink machine, buying a can of some beverage.

On impulse, I screamed, "HEY WILLIE!" He turned around. I yelled "HI THERE!" and waved. He waved back. And that was that.

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^ Kasparov, really? he looks like a nice guy but people say he's a jerk when you talk to him.

what did you think

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I couldn't say. It was at a chess exhibition. He had arrived late and had an appointment afterward, so he was pressed for time. I wanted to get his autograph but was only able to shake his hand and say, "nice to meet you." Not much of a conversation.

A funny thing happened at the exhibition. He was playing a simultaneous match against eight opponents. Four were members of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County chess team. The other four were children of varying ages. A tournament had been held earlier, and the winners in each age division got to play in this match against Kasparov. The last opponent left standing was the winner of the oldest age bracket, high school. I guessed he was fifteen. The boy was trying to force a draw, and Kasparov was trying to win. After a long struggle, Kasparov finally won, but he had to work to do it and stopped several times to think along the way.

It was an impressive performance. I approached the boy after and told him (honestly) that I didn't know much about chess, but that was like seeing some unknown club fighter get into the ring with Mike Tyson and hang in there for several rounds, delivering many good punches along the way -- I wondered, who the hell is this guy? He introduced himself and we chatted for a few minutes. That was in the late 1990s but I still remember his name, and went to FIDE's web site just now and looked him up. He's now an IM and ranked something like 6500th in the world.

Anyway, Kasparov had some nice things to say about him, just after checkmating him.

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Sorry to hear the meeting with the musician wasn't much.

Sometimes The metro area of DC can be a pretty trippy place to live.

I also attended the high school graduation of some friends where Vice PRESIDENT FORD was the guest speaker (just 2 months before TRICKY DICK Nixon resigns and FORD becomes President). Then Later on that night we also went to a graduation party at someone's house and STEVEN FORD (the VP's son) pulls up right behind my chevy malibu in a Green "FORD" Mustang.

He was also smoking a little pipe that he had in his hand and offered me a hit off of it, but it's a good thing I refused (due to the secret service dudes who followed him around). They were also the reason why my friends wanted to leave and we didn't stay there for very long (even though I also don't remember seeing any of them).

The friends who went to school with Steve also said how he'd come home DRUNK and stumble up the steps of his front porch and then get attacked by the SS DUDES who didn't know who he was (which was also weird when they're also suppose to follow him around and protect him).

Steve also went on to become an actor (He was Sally's first boyfriend in WHEN HARRY MET SALLY), and I've also met other celebrities as well ...

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> Sorry to hear the meeting with the musician wasn't much.

Naah, I wasn't trying to make it much. I suppose I could have walked over and started talking to him. As much as anything else I was trying to be funny. From that distance I couldn't be sure of his reaction but it looked to me like he got a kick out of it.

> The metro area of DC can be a pretty trippy place to live.

For a while I worked at a place within walking distance of the White House. Nothing to do with the federal government but I could have walked over and had lunch with GHW Bush, had he for some bizarre reason invited me to. Later, when Clinton was inaugurated, the Secret Service came by beforehand and inspected our offices. It was possible to look out of some of the rooms and see part of his motorcade route. They told us those rooms were off limits until the motorcade had passed, because they could be used by a sniper to take a shot at Clinton. We were able to go on the roof and watch the motorcade, though. There were Secret Service agents stationed up there, but they didn't object to us being there.

Once I had a different encounter with the Secret Service. I had gone on my lunch hour to do a personal errand. The address I had to go to was something like 1501 Pennsylvania Avenue, IIRC. The White House and grounds are fenced in and occupy an entire block, and I realized too late that I was on the wrong side of it. I saw an open gate and path across the lawn, leading to an open gate on the other side. Great, I thought, I can just cut across the lawn instead of having to walk all the way around the block.

I got maybe six steps along when I was confronted by two men. I never did figure out where they came from, they were just suddenly there. It was July, and you know what that means in DC ... and these men were both wearing suits and yet weren't sweating. That scared me! You've heard the term, "command presence?" Military and police officers strive for it. It's the way a person lets another know, I am in charge, through posture, tone of voice, et cetera. These guys had it. From the moment one said, "excuse me sir, where are you going," I knew I was in trouble.

I realized immediately what had happened, apologized, explained that I was trying to cut across to the bank, and asked if I was free to leave back the way I had come. They answered yes, still giving me hard looks. I thought about thanking them for not wrestling me to the ground; Chevy Chase's SNL bits were still in the collective memory and I'm sure they would have understood. I didn't dare though, for fear they might do it!

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Thanks for sharing your story about the encounter with the SS DUDES. Recently I found a story about the grandfather I never knew (who died before I was born) who's very first job was delivering milk to Teddy at 1600 Penn Ave.

And he was also NOT HAPPY about doing it because he also complained about how the kids weren't properly disciplined and rode the mini ponies (like the kind on ASSATEAGUE ISLAND) around inside of the place (who would also POOP all over the place).
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So apparently he also didn't like STEPPING in it or around it??? No mention is made of SS dudes though. Wonder how long they've been around for???

Found this:

President Abraham Lincoln signed legislation creating the Secret Service on April 14, 1865, the day of his assassination. It was commissioned on July 5, 1865, in Washington, D.C. as the "Secret Service Division" of the Department of the Treasury.

How did the Secret Service start?

The Secret Service got its beginnings in 1865, by the Secretary of the Treasury Hugh McCulloch. At that time they were created to suppress counterfeit currency. The first Chief of the Secret Service was William P. Wood who was sworn into office on July 5, 1865.


Perhaps Newton who sent men to the gallows for counterfeiting would probably also have run it if he'd lived at that time???

What's also funny is how the next post says GET OFF of my LAWN as if in response back to your message.

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> Recently I found a story about the grandfather I never knew (who died before I was born) who's very first job was delivering milk to Teddy at 1600 Penn Ave. And he was also NOT HAPPY about doing it because he also complained about how the kids weren't properly disciplined

He probably encountered this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Roosevelt

I've got an iPad app, WolframAlpha. It's a good calculator which also ties into a lot of reference data. For example, I put this query in, which it understood and answered:

(density of manure)*(((death of JFK)-(death of Marilyn Monroe))*(speed of sound))^3

In other words, if you fired a gun at the moment Marilyn Monroe died, measured the distance the sound had traveled by the time Lee Harvey Oswald did his work, used that distance to construct a cube of that length, height, and width, then filled that cube with shit, how much would it weigh? (Maybe the most useless question ever conceived. The answer = 549 solar masses.)

I found that it also gives historical popularity of names. If you type in "popularity of given name ___" it shows a graph of the popularity of that name for newborns since 1880, taken from US census data.

So, I was trying out different names and happened to try Quentin for some reason. I saw that the name's never been terribly popular, but it did have a sharp, brief spike in popularity around 1919. That sort of spike usually means someone with that name famously did something and got a lot of babies named after him. I Googled, et cetera, and found out about Quentin Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt's son, whom I had never heard of before.

Quentin was a preschooler when his father became president, and became a real terror at the White House. His antics included defacing presidential portraits and firing snowballs at people below from the White House roof, including Secret Service agents. Your grandfather probably got hit with a few of those.

Teddy, being a wild man himself, loved it. Word got out, and Quentin became the nation's favorite bad boy. Later, as a young man, he was killed in WW1 in 1918.

> What's also funny is how the next post says GET OFF of my LAWN as if in response back to your message.

Naah, that's a response to the OP.

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Thanks for the additional info about the brat named QUENTIN. But having to worry about stepping on PONY POOP was probably worse than getting hit by a snowball. And since the milk man usually also worked while the brats were still sleeping (delivering milk prior to the time when they would wake up to have breakfast), I suspect he probably also escaped having to deal with the snowball issue.

CNN also had a special on about LINCOLN and they said the behavior of his 2 young sons was just as bad as that of TEDDY's brat.

And LINCOLN and his wife also found the way that they behaved amusing and did nothing to put a stop to it.

My grandfather probably also didn't last long working as a milkman because he also retired from working for the railroad (where he also had a much better position that also left my grandma with a nice pension to live off of after he died).

I've just looked up what it says again and you might be right about the snowball issue:

His first city job was delivering milk, including to the White House when Theodore Roosevelt was in residence. He complained about the Roosevelt children, who ran ramshackle through the mansion, and had even been seen riding their pony in the halls.


So he must have also encountered them at some point in time???

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Get off my lawn.

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"Sir, this is a McDonalds".

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Sometimes I get paranoid at parties (depending on the party) I'm 60 and I'd rather stay home and do my own party; a good movie, popcorn, a cool bag of weed and a lazyboy and I'm all set. :)

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I keep my window closed during the summer. I hate the loud street noises. Nothing beats silence.

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Are you replying me?

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Yes. What I meant was that I can't stand parties. There are too many people and everything just seems loud. I can't even take people being outside during the summer so I just close my window.

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I wish I could, but I need the window AC... I skimmed this thread a few times and I don't think I've disagreed with a single thing you've said. I would say 99% of all the good things were before 35. Since then, I've hated summer, sunlight, chaos. My music is loud right now to block all the riff-raff from the outside. I noticed in the last few years I like winter, because its cold at night, and during the day, I can always get warm. If you go outside, you can bundle up, but when its 100, you're fucked. I like precipitation, again, mostly because it quiets the neighborhood and especially the dogs. My best day last year was a day it thunderstormed like crazy, and it was pretty dark at 11am, so I took some LSD and had a blast, which is the last time I had real fun.

My only tip for people is to do whatever you want (things you have control of) as soon as possible, because shit happens -- COVID, aging, injury, death, etc..

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A winter night I heaven to me. Darkness at 5:00pm? Bring it! People look at me like I'm some vampire when I really them this. When I was younger I didn't mind Summer, but now I find myself more grumpy then.

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you might need some vitamin d

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I'm a healthy gent.

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i am worried about your lack of sunlight.

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