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Is the US too lax in its handling of this crisis?


Everything I’ve read says we are way behind the curve in terms of protective measures and lockdowns, even behind where Italy was at our stage of development. At this point, the economy is fucked. Why not just shut down the entire country? Better safe than sorry, every health expert in the world has advised us to do so. Yet all I see are slow, incremental steps, nothing is being enforced. People are still going about their daily lives, the roads are packed and aside from the closed businesses people are doing everything BUT staying at home.

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Not sure exactly how you totally shut down the entire country in one as large as ours? Would people still be allowed to get groceries? Would trucks still be allowed to make deliveries to stores? Would people still be allowed to deliver supplies to the elderly?

How would it be enforced? Declare martial law and call in the military?

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Yes, exactly. Martial law. People only allowed to leave for groceries or medicine.

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Totally unrealistic for the entire country.

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So just let people die?

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Under your martial law, how do people who work at the grocery store get there?

How do the shelves get stocked? How bout healthcare workers getting to their jobs?

Military checkpoints for all?

"Where are you going?"

"I work at ShopRite."

"Prove it. Your papers please."

You didn't think this through. You'll have more and more exceptions and addendums that will slowly but surely resemble what's happening now. There are always jack-asses. How do you enforce against those types? Arrest them and put them in one area next to each other and help the spread some more? Take them off the street at gunpoint? When grandma can't breathe and you drive her to the ER, what happens when you're stopped for those precious seconds?

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No, you arrange some sort of grocery delivery service and allow minimal grocery runs per week. Yes, cops are out pulling people over and showing proof of where you work is not difficult.

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Delivery service based on what exactly? Everyone is going to order out from the grocery store? how much? how do you decide what's enough? and who does the deliveries? what's "minimal" runs? And you didn't answer the rest b/c, unfortunately, there are no good answers. That's part of what you have to accept.

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It would've made more sense to take it seriously in January but that ship has sailed.

Now, shutting down the entire country and borders make more sense rather than do it piecemeal and drag it out longer than it needs to be.

Essential businesses and government continue to operate with a skeleton crew. Other businesses are either shutdown or operate online. School is done online.

Restaurants are still open but they deliver or do take out only. You can go out for walks. Just don't hangout in large groups.

Food stores, pharmacies, post offices, doctor offices, etc. are still open.

A police state with cops pulling people over isn't needed. Most people are scared and are cooperating voluntarily where I am. Staying indoors 24/7 isn't healthy and not encouraged. Exercising, walking the dog or letting children bike or play is fine - just keep some distance while outside.

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I understand and I agree.

IOW, what we're doing right now is the best approach rather than his suggestion that martial law is what's needed.

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Currently these are the survival rates for the virus and they will improve in the long run because I believe an effective treatment will be found. For goodness sake get a grip - most people will get the damn thing and experience minor if any symptoms. It is NOT possible to protect everyone from everything. Life is a risk.

60-69 - 96.4%
70-79 - 92%
80+ - 85.2

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Those are terrible numbers wtf

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Really? - tell that to people with cancer, or ALS, or any other terrible disease - they would be thrilled with those numbers.

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Remember, these are #'s for people who have been tested - how many are out there that have had the virus, stayed at home, and recovered? I think it's possible that people in this age group have had mild symptoms or thought they had the flu.

That is the perplexing question with this virus - why does it affect certain people so differently?

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No, I don't think so, but that's probably because you've been watching the dishonest, left biased MSM.

😎

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If they were doing more your post would read...

"Is the US too severe in its handling of this crisis?"

...and go on about how it's taking draconian measures that only an authoritarian regime like China would take. And if they sent you home without pay, you'd be carrying on about the govt going too far in shutting down the post office.

And to say that "people are doing everything BUT staying at home" as though there's been no change is ridiculous. You've turned SOME people into "people". "All I see" is what you prefer to focus upon. And you do it just to whine as an extension of your other post. Since you're surely staying home yourself, what better time to focus and think hard about your future career rather than thinking about everyone else -- or about which coffee beans to use.

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Maybe we should take the draconian measures China took if it saved lives. What exactly did they do that is worse than potentially millions of people dying?

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we'll never know now, will we? just like we'll never know what happened to those journalists who disappeared after reporting on what was actually happening in Wuhan. They'd never lie about their management of this or the number of actual cases/deaths, would they? Just like they told the truth when trying to pin it on us servicemen. Maybe they were trying to save face as much as lives.

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USA can't do what a communist country does! That's worse.

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I am not there in the States but I can only recommend you to avoid as many social contact as possible and take this subject seriously. Here, in Europe we are fighting against it, some countries more successfully than others. The streets and roads are almost empty, restaurants, theatres closed. When I go to buy I use gloves.

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It's easy to be an armchair quarterback, but tell me, if you were The President, how exactly would you Completely Shut Down a nation that is literally built on personal freedoms?
And how would you feel if, after losing those freedoms, some of them, most of them or ALL of them never come back?
Make absolutely no mistake - there are hundreds of thousands of foreign agents and traitors (read: millions) who would Love to fuck us over.
If you don't agree, you just haven't been watching the news.

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Lmao I bet you’re watching very specific news sources...

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I guess you don't think so.

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You are off your rocker and do a disservice to people who are trying to understand a complex situation. You sound like a stereotypical paranoid conspiracy nut -- sorry !

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And you know literally nothing about the real world. That's okay. The world needs more sheep.

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People like you crack me up. You are a self-anointed know-it-all, like the religious freaks. Somehow you know more than the rest of us. The world doesn't need more crack pots poisoning people's thoughts with lunatic delusions.

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Oh, you're right. Of course you're right. You MUST be right. Right??
Hey when you get a minute...

When you've got a little extra time...


If you're not doing anything special...




Why don't you kiss my ass, junior.

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Now that the US has delivered the message to everyone we’re doing better. But at this point it’s too late. These things are handled much better with earlier measures. Unfortunately trump’s minions only heard his early talking points on the crisis. Every time I go out I hear another goober say “it’s all a hoax” and potentially that extends the shut down.

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If you're gonna talk politics, get lost or get reported.

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Lol Your post is far more political.

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I told you not to do it, genius.

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You sound tough

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You sound like someone who gets beat up on a regular basis lol

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RAWRRRRR

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Please don't cry.

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LAST WORD

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God, I hope so.

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I told you not to do it, genius.

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You sound rough

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Aaaand you still sound like a wimp.

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Golly you’ve obviously had hundreds of girlfriends

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You've obviously had... none.
Not to worry. That happens to, well... just you.

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US took early measures. Trump not taking early measures is another (more) fake news from mainstream media.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-top-10-lies-about-president-trumps-response-to-the-coronavirus/

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Lol pj news? Sounds fair and balanced! ;)

“Took measures” and “took the best possible measures” are 2 completely different things. Like I said trump did everything in his power to downplay this from the beginning. He’s literally gone on the record every step. It’s not media hype or hyperbole, he’s just not good at this. He’s a game show host ffs

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Ok, so we're moving from 'taking early measures' to 'taking the best possible early measures'.

Let's accept that change in the argument, which were those 'best possible early measures'?

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how about not downplaying and politicizing it? bc thats all his supporters have heard. that has set all this back.

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I'm waiting for those measures that were the 'best possible measures' that show that he didn't downplay it or whatever you want to phrase it.

So, let's try again: which were those 'best possible early measures'?

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Calling Coronavirus a hoax and shutting the pandemic agency is a worst possible early measure.

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Calling Coronavirus a hoax and shutting the pandemic agency is a worst possible early measure.

The problem is that never happened. They're part of the usual fake news

https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-top-10-lies-about-president-trumps-response-to-the-coronavirus/

"8. Trump "dissolved" the WH pandemic response office

Two days after Trump declared the coronavirus a national emergency, the Washington Post ran an opinion piece by Elizabeth Cameron, who ran the White House pandemic office under Obama, alleging that Trump had dissolved the office in 2018. She claimed because of this, “the federal government’s slow response to the coronavirus isn’t a surprise.”

This claim spread like wildfire, even though it was completely false. Days after WaPo ran the piece, they published another article by Tim Morrison, former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the National Security Council, who debunked the allegation made by Cameron and other former Obama administration officials.

What good is there in spreading false information, as Elizabeth Cameron did? “This is Washington. It’s an election year,” Morrison laments. “Officials out of power want back into power after November. But the middle of a worldwide health emergency is not the time to be making tendentious accusations.
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(links to the article: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/17/no_the_white_house_didnt_dissolve_its_pandemic_response_office_142683.html)

CONTINUE

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"1. Trump called the coronavirus “a hoax”

To this day the left (and the media) claim Trump called the coronavirus a hoax. He said no such thing. While the country was distracted by impeachment, the Trump administration was busy addressing the coronavirus outbreak, taking various measures to limit the spread of the virus in the United States. Impeachment quickly faded, so they decided to aggressively politicize his response to the coronavirus outbreak. Joe Biden even called Trump’s travel ban with China an overreaction, and accused him of trying to scare the public. “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia ± hysterical xenophobia — and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

President Trump responded to these allegations during a rally in South Carolina, calling the Democrats’ politicization of the coronavirus "the new hoax." The media jumped on this line, claiming that Trump called the virus, not the Democrats' reactions to it, a hoax. The lie spread like wildfire and Joe Biden even used the lie as a talking point on the stump. There was quite a stir when Politico’s story repeating the false claim that Trump called the virus a hoax was flagged by Facebook fact-checkers as fake news, but other fact-checkers couldn’t deny that the claim was false either.
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"One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia, that didn't work out too well. They couldn't do it. They tried the impeachment hoax,' that was on a perfect conversation, 'they tried anything, they tried it over and over and they've been doing it since you got in. It's all turning, they lost, it's all turning -- think of it, think of it, and this is their new hoax.'"

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Exactly, this is their new hoax. He was right.

But by hoax he meant the network of fake news about the topic, not the virus itself, duh. The same by Russian hoax he means network of fake news about the fake Russian collusion, it doesn't mean that Russia is a hoax and doesn't exist, duh (again).

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Actually the news media was telling the truth about the seriousness of the Coronavirus while Trump was downplaying it for months or haven't you noticed people throughout the world dying and whole countries shutting down. It was never a hoax!

Obviously, you didn't read the Mueller Report or you wouldn't have written such nonsense.

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Wrong.

Actually mainstream media criticized Trump for banning flights from China at the end of January.

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Most major airlines had already discontinued flights. Too little, too late! Virus was already in the U.S.. Talk about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.

He took his blessed time to start testing which would've made a huge difference.

Defending the moron-in-chief must be exhausting for you since he says something stupid everyday.

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Downplaying just like De Blasio and other NY officials did just a few weeks ago on TV? They were telling people to go out and live their lives normally and to only stay home if sick.

Stop the finger pointing.

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Stop. Get help.

The finger pointer is in the White House.

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So you are denial that this happened in NY? I've seen the TV interviews that were held starting the end of January and right up to a couple of weeks ago. If you feel the need to blame people for this at least be consistent and admit that quite a few people were downplaying it over the past couple of months.

Personally I'm not blaming anyone right now - I'll leave that for later.

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NY has more testing per capita than any place in the world no thanks to the moron-in-chief.

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What does that have to do with most of the politicians in NY telling people this was not a big problem and encouraging people to go out - to the subways, restaurants, etc.? They were calling Trump a racist back in January because he banned flights from China and encouraging people to celebrate Chinese New Year.
IMHO, lot's of morons out there right now - especially the ones in NYC.

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The moron-in-chief aka: "It's just a hoax" had shutdown the pandemic agency which would've provided an early warning to what was happening and could've prevented this virus from becoming a pandemic in the first place.

Politicians aren't doctors and scientists which is why that pandemic agency along with other defunded health agencies were critical.

Testing is everything. You can't track and isolate if you don't test. In February, Deblasio wanted testing done in NYC instead of the CDC. CDC delayed for weeks.

In January, there was a quarantine of passengers from Wuhan before Trump's belated ban and most airlines had already banned travel to China anyway. DeBlasio was coordinating with hospitals and giving basic info about washing hands.

Decisions aren't really on the local level with Deblasio. Cuomo has coordinated with Connecticut and New Jersey and they are making policy.

BTW, calling it Chinese virus instead of Coronavirus" is racist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/BM25KCTKBQI6VMMZHKLZTRKFCI.jpg&w=1440

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Oh spare me with the racist BS - there are 17 viruses named after places. Like it or not, this originated in China.

I get it - you hate Trump. Too bad you can't let it go and at least for now try to work together to help with the problem.

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The moron-in-chief is alone on the planet in calling it by the racist name.

After insulting NY and China, you want to "work together"? LOL!

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And exactly how did I do that - insult them?

What did I say that insulted NY or the Chinese?

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US is not handling it differently from most western countries: some basic quarantine and social isolation without stopping the country, some economical stimulus, sending as much medical resources as they can to hospitals and testing as much people as possible. There's no much else they can do, unless you want to go full block as China.

And western countries can't afford to go full block without collapsing economically, though. We're not China. They're rich. We are not, not anymore.

Actually, the only countries that have stopped the country in Europe are Italy and Spain, and only during the worst part of the outbreak. Spain stopped yesterday, but it will last only next week, which is expected to be the peak of the outbreak.

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I don't know about where you live but where I live the roads are not packed and most businesses have closed or operate in a limited capacity. The only things that remain totally open are grocery stores, convenience stores or places like Home Depo and Walmart and hospitals. Oh...and the Post Office.
For the most part we still need these services. We can't completely come to a halt.
What about the utilities, sanitation and the streaming services we've all been enjoying? Should they shut down too? I know sanitation can't run on automatic pilot.

I don't see how there could be a total shutdown without having the cure being worse than the disease.

Keep in mind that everyone doesn't get unlimited paid leave and guaranteed a job as you are. And even more businesses would fold and leave an even bigger hole that we might never climb out of when this is over. And it will be over at some point.
I also don't think that most people know how to buy enough food and supplies for an indefinite future either. Most people are still dependent on civilization.

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