False equivalence. You're making the assumption that all regions of CA and NY are equally expensive
No, but it can get there. When immigrants move to America, no one moves no North Dakota. They move to the big cities. Once they become overpopulated, the nearby cities begin to become more populated. As I said before, the population of Toronto has doubled in 30 years. The surrounding cities aren't any less that way.
According to your faulty logic, Delhi, India should have very high rents because it has a large population twice the size of NYC and four times the size of LA, but the rents are much cheaper.
No offence to India, but no one immigrates to India. These are natural born citizens. They don't worry about immigration. No one talks about diversity of India because there isn't any. I mean, when's the last time you've seen India show up on "best places to live" lists? I also don't recall it showing up on any "safest countries to live in" lists either.
The population density for Northern Canada is 0.03 inhabitants per square kilometre. You can be open-minded and fit at least 1 whole person per square kilometer.
How would one person survive if only one person loved in every square kilometer? And again, there are natural resources there. Creating a society in northern Canada would seriously endanger that. There are even untouchable pieces of land due to treaties with indigenous people.
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Keelai (31907)
4 years ago
"When immigrants move to America, no one moves no North Dakota. "
North Dakota was an immigrant haven — until Trump was elected
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-09/refugees-bismarck-north-dakota-trump
Manhattan was overpopulated with immigrants at the turn of the 20th century. The rent was still cheap. Today the difference is real estate developers building luxury properties for millionaires to park their money.
"No offence to India, but no one immigrates to India."
Violent protests in India over immigration law as PM Modi calls for calm
https://www.foxnews.com/world/violent-protests-india-immigration-law
Populist leader Modi has created an anti-immigrant agenda by denying Muslim immigrants a path to citizenship.
"How would one person survive if only one person loved in every square kilometer?"
They would survive in the same way the 0.03 person can.
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samoanjoes (50972)
4 years ago
I can't get to the link as it's behind a paywall.
Manhattan was overpopulated with immigrants at the turn of the 20th century. The rent was still cheap.
The population of New York decreased in the 80s and 90s. It started an increase in the 00s. It's been extremely expensive the last 15 years.
I know about Modi and his immigration plans. But India also ranks fourth in the world for citizens leaving the country. They currently have 5.4 million immigrants in a country whose population is 1.3B. They're losing more than they're bringing in.
They would survive in the same way the 0.03 person can.
That doesn't mean it's a good things. That doesn't mean they don't struggle.
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Keelai (31907)
4 years ago
"I can't get to the link as it's behind a paywall.'
I'm not a subscriber.
I was talking about Manhattan's population in 1910s & 20s. It was much higher than today and many people were crowded into lower Manhattan. The rents were cheap. Eventually many Manhattanites moved to Brooklyn for more space around that time and Manhattan's population dropped while Brooklyn's went up.
It's extremely expensive because of all the $1 million+ dollar luxury condos being built. Like I said, rich people park their money in NYC.
Not all apartments are expensive. There are many apts. with regulated rents. Also not all of NYC has equal rents. It depends on the neighborhood and county, too.
Mumbai's population has been going up for decades. Present population is over 12 million. I'll guarantee that the rent is dirt cheap.
I know there was a real estate boom in Canada with many new apts buildings being constructed. That's when the rents went up. The question is who were the investors and buyers? I googled. Answer:
"Starting in the late 2010s, foreign investment and speculative activity in many of the major cities in Canada caused a boom in the real estate market that lead to a drastic increase in the price of owning and renting a home."
The same thing in NYC and LA. Foreign investors park their money in property. Rich people don't put $1 million in the bank. They buy property with it and then flip it a few years later.
"They would survive in the same way the 0.03 person can.
That doesn't mean it's a good things. That doesn't mean they don't struggle."
You attempted to change the subject. The original point being that there's still room in the Northern region for immigrants.
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samoanjoes (50972)
4 years ago
It was much higher than today and many people were crowded into lower Manhattan. The rents were cheap. Eventually many Manhattanites moved to Brooklyn for more space around that time and Manhattan's population dropped while Brooklyn's went up.
Also the Great Depression. Brooklyn isn't cheap either consider a lot of places there are a dump.
Mumbai's population has been going up for decades. Present population is over 12 million. I'll guarantee that the rent is dirt cheap.
Mumbai is home to some of the richest people in the world and has the highest average in India. They can afford it. The problem is that there is a huge divide between rich and poor because of it.
I know there was a real estate boom in Canada with many new apts buildings being constructed. That's when the rents went up. The question is who were the investors and buyers?Â
Is it just buyers though? If you look at the top ten most expensive cities in Canada, the first 9 are in highly populated areas and some cities also have high populated areas nearby. 7 of them are capital cities of their province and that's not including Ottawa which is the capital city of Canada. The only city that didn't have a high population was ravaged and destroyed by forest fires a few years ago.
You attempted to change the subject. The original point being that there's still room in the Northern region for immigrants.
As I said, it's not about room. There are no jobs there, no hospitals, no public transportation and it's all native land where our treaties state that it's protected land.
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Keelai (31907)
4 years ago
I'm not saying population growth has nothing to do with rent increases. It does. But not the type of insane rent and real estate prices that speculators bring with their deep pockets.
Real estate investors are building luxury apartments in Brooklyn trying to change it into another Manhattan. They move into a bad area, rebrand it as trendy and up-and-coming, then charge 3x the rent or min. $1 million for a property. Celebrities and other rich people believe it's a hip place to live.
Housing is going to be more expensive in larger cities rather than smaller ones or rural areas since rich people want to live in specific areas and higher paying jobs are in those areas.
How many rich foreigners want to live in Mumbai? That limits the prospects for luxury property development. It helps keep apartments for common folk reasonable.
I went to Montreal many years ago and was bummed out about how cheap the rent was compared to where I live. Later I read about the real estate boom and that's when the prices began to skyrocket. I was hoping to move there one day if it doesn't become overdeveloped.
It helps that the Northern region is in an area that's really cold therefore not attractive to people who would steal it or immigrate.
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