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THERE SHOULD BE A BAN ON TINTED CAR WINDOWS!! [Thread closed]


I think there should be a ban on tinted car windows. It seriously looks ghetto or like someone is hiding something. I am all for search warrants when looking inside cars; however, this is ridiculous. So many people are directly affected in becoming bad drivers because of it. Some dude cut me off, changing lanes last minute, as I was approaching a signal light. Of course, when one does this, the person being cut off gets mad and wants to stare them down to make sure the get the hint. I am not able to do this if the windows are tinted. It seems like there are crimes people can get away with if this tinted window dilemma is not solved!

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Where I live, it's illegal to tint the front driver and passenger side windows. For safety sale, I would have to agree. You need to be able to visually communicated with other drivers and pedestrians. However, I see no problem with tinting the rear windows.

The rear windows on my car are tinted limozine black and it doesn't hinder my ability to see or drive. I can see out them just fine, even at night, others just can't see in. I don't see the problem?

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You could have accomplices with guns that could shoot someone. I would say only the rear view window should be tinted, if any.

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You can still communicate with them. They can see other drivers unless the other driver also has dark tinted windows. Gesture to them and they should roll their window down if they want to communicate back.

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"they should roll their window down if they want to communicate back"

Is that before or after they shoot you?

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Why are you assuming everyone wants to shot you?

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It happens more often than you think.

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Well you didn't seem afraid when you wanted to stare them down. Make up your mind. Are you going to retaliate when someone driving a vehicle with tinted windows cut you off in traffic or are you just going to decide let it go and go on with your life?

You always make the stupidest thread topics. I think that you're mentally ill or something.

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If it was legal, I would report their license plate number to the authorities. Too bad we cannot convict them like that.

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And yet I get tons of people commenting on my threads. Yeah, Barclay, we will go with your theory.

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The reason people respond to your threads is because you're a TROLL who is supported by his parents. All of your comments are trolling. You'll write anything to incite an emotional response. In my opinion, quality is more important than quantity.

If more people of this forum decided to make quality posts rather than enabling trolls like you, then there would be so much competition for you that nobody would pay attention to your stupid drivel anymore. Now go take your meds.

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LOL.

And you are not a troll?

Another of Bennie's sock accounts.

I see you Bennie.

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You're paranoid. Go take your meds troll.

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Bennie no swiping. Bennie no swiping.

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Of course it's bennie. This is one of his more "sedate" socks. He plays that game as well as the blatant ones.

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WE HAVE VALIDATION!!!

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They are illegal in some states. Years ago some wanted person featured on "Unsolved Mysteries" was caught after being pulled over for this reason.

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California

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Just think, if you can't stare them down, they can't get enraged and shoot you. It's actually a safety measure. I think all windows should be tinted to cut down on road rage, not to mention, it would keep innocent drivers from seeing other drivers pick their noses at red lights.

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That is true. But what happens if they do not like you because of you and they shoot you anyway? With tinted glass, you would never know until you see the nose of the gun above the partially pulled down window. With clear glass, you would be able to at least be forewarned and duck.

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They can't be angry if you can't see them to scowl first. Domino effect, you can't see them, therefore you can't scowl, they can't get enraged at your scowling and shoot you.

There you are, tinted windows save lives.

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Agree with this... bet way more are assaulted/killed because people can see each other than because they can't.

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Lol, I apologize. My sarcasm is not being translated very well. My posts were meant to be facetious, not trolling, attempting humor. The key word here is attempt.

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You may have just been joking... but it still would probably be true.

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It is a good point; however, if you look further down this thread, you will notice that "they" can somehow start the rage. Like yesterday for instance, I was behind a tinted windowed car. All windows were tinted. The guy/gal, whoever, had used this to go like 5-10 mph below the speed limit. True I wanted gesture "What are you doing?"; however, the guy/gal is let off because their windows are tinted. WTF?!

I was never one to believe in road rage and when other people were angry with me, I was a witness to it; however, now I know what it feels like.

There was one time where I live, where I was going to get something or other, and the street had two lanes. There was a guy and his friend, in a white van, going 65+. At the signal light, I thought I would turn because they had the overtake lane open. Then I find that they honk loudly and I am like "WTF?" I keep driving and they pull up beside me O_O. One guy makes a gesture, while the other guy looks menacing. All I could word out was "Sorry" and then they had taken off.

In that particular case, I thought I was in the right, as there was still one lane open. Even in KY, they are pretty courteous here. When one merges on a freeway, they actually switch to the left most lane. In California? They drive right through you. You are expected to merge with a car about to slam into you, from the rear!

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I was just being silly. It didn't translate very well. I was under the impression that your post was humorous, so "attempted" to be humorous in return.

California does not sound much different from Alabama, then. As people expect you to get over no matter what.

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I have never been to Alabama, but that is good to know. I wonder if there is a high chance I would be shot there?

Think road rage in the south, not going well, and living without the courtesy of merging.

I remember one time, I was driving and was doing my pre-license driving. I actually merged onto the freeway and slowed down considerably in the middle lane. This was before my license and so, I was still learning to drive.

Now in California, the guy who was behind me also stopped gradually (from 70-35) and I heard no honks. I am pretty sure I may have made him angry "why did this guy just stop in front of me? Is he trying to offend me?" But all was well. If I did that in KY, they would probably pull up next to me and I would be hiding in my seat, fearing that a bullet had my name written on it.

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I don't think we have a disproportionate amount of road rage and people being shot here. It happens from time to time, but is not something you hear about constantlyon the news.

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But it could not definitely get there right? Why wait until it happens?

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I don't know that tinted windows have much to do with cases of road rage, here. It seems like it is more of a case of a person unable to control their anger.

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Well, at least we know now that there is a hidden motive in having tinted windows.

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He's going to milk this stupid troll thread for all it's worth and then some. Only a troll would create a thread that complains about tinted windows on cars.

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Only Bennie would switch usernames. You only come on this one every 11 days or so. LOL

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I don't post that often because nothing is going on here. Stalker, get a life. I myself didn't even realise that I posted once every 11 days.

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You never post on here because you are on your other sock accounts. lol

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Yup. Little bennie always ends up showing his true colors after a while.

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That is what Apis and I were wondering.

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I know you do not live in the South. If you did, instead of KY, I'm almost positive you would have tinted windows. There is a law in Florida prohibiting very dark tint. Law Enforcement need to be able to see into a car. The back windows can be very dark, but it looks odd to see two different degrees of darkness.

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KY is still not considered the south? What?!

It is because of car burglaries right?

The reason I do not like them is because you never know who could be packing a gun under tinted glass. They would have an easy time shooting you when you least expect it.

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KY was not part of the CSA. KY did not secede from the Union. It was a split state during the Civil War (actually The War Between the States). KY did not go through Reconstruction. It started out as a Mid-Western state. People nowadays may consider it Southern due to, dialect, food, etc., but there is a great debate over its True South status.

Re:the tinting of vehicle windows. Did you not read my post? There are degrees of darkness permitted in the tint. By law front seat occupants must be visible through the tint. As far as the back windows, they could be tinted much darker where it would be difficult to view the occupants. The law may have changed as I have not seen the split tinting lately. BTW, split tinting looked odd so I chose not to go with that choice.

Also, I am "packing", but I don't plan on shooting anyone unless I have to do so.

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"Did you not read my post? There are degrees of darkness permitted in the tint."

I could not agree with any of that because my original post was about banning it completely. There is no "degree of tinting", it should be clear.

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There is a degree of tinting. My truck windows are tinted, but you can view the occupants, driver and passenger. What you consider clear most likely are tinted. Very few vehicles in most of the lower states are without tint.

To repeat, I'm "packing" everywhere but you can see all movement in the front seat. I would inform LE if I had to retrieve my driver's license from my handbag or if I had to step out of the vehicle and the weapon was on my person.

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I think that the law in NY is you can tint as long as the occupants of the car are visible at a distance so it is a matter of the degree of tint. You don't see tinted cars like you did ten years ago. Somebody said that the insurance companies seriously raised the rates on such cars so that most likely plays into as well. Let's be honest in that most people put heavy tint on to hide something or are planning to engage in something illegal.

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Exactly.

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But do you think there should be a tint on banned car windows?

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LOL! I gotcha! What car windows are banned? 😏

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Any arvin doesn't like, I believe...

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Only tinted ones.

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You still don't get it! My truck windows are tinted. You can see through them from one side to the other and beyond!

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If we banned tinted windows, you would still see through them would you not?

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Oh, Good Grief, Arvin! We have our windows tinted to help deflect the sun, which damages the interior. Tinted windows also makes it easier to see in bright sunlight which is a given in the true South. I live directly on the Gulf. When I'm driving west nothing helps with the vision except for that little strip of tint across the top of the windshield. By law we are not permitted to tint the whole windshield. So down comes the visor, sunglasses are donned, hand is cupped over the eyes and you are praying you can see the traffic lights. Makes for dangerous driving. The tint also lowers the temp in the interior a little. I still crack the windows when we are living in 95 degrees plus.

BTW, Arvin, you need to get off your duff and pound the pavement for work!

Edit:I think you like to argue for argument's sake!

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I am working!

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Arvin, it was a joke, and not a great one! JHC

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Would a banned car window be a shattered one?

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Arvin, you really need to stop taking some things so literally. Just out of curiousity, what do you do for a living?

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You people are so funny😏

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Funny how? Like we're clowns? Like we're here to amuse you? How are we funny?

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Just..you know,how you tell the story.

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No, no, we don't know. You said it. How do we know? You said we're funny. How the **** are we funny? What the **** is so funny about us? Tell us. Tell us what's funny.

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Watching that scene makes me clench my buttocks!

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OK...there's a mental image.....(smile)

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Just catching up with the proceedings. Wish I could somehow tag kspkap into this thread.

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That wasn't meant to be a put-down.

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I know! she just didn't know the Goodfellas scene in another thread.

Luckily we both knew and a laugh was had by both of us!

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I believe Arvin is a part time contrarion.

He also writes very sad books about orphaned baby bunn....err mice who write innocent OP's on message boards and become the victim of nasty posters asking questions and pointing out spelling errors.

Our hero (Arvinman) swoops in to save the baby rab err...mouse from the nasty message board people by posting them into submission.

Then just as the baby bunny...I mean Mouse hops off into the sunset the big bad generic courier driver kills it by means unknown.It is suspected that he had eaten too many free smoothies and squashed it.
The End.

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Ah; but the really important questions...
1) Was the generic courier wearing flip-flops after having too many free smoothies? And, 2) Was the generic courier driving a vehicle with tinted windows?

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I believe the generic courier was indeed wearing flip-flops but ironically does not on National flip-flop day.On National flip-flop day the courier wears clogs and won't touch smoothies free or otherwise.He's just that kind of guy.

He was driving a vehicle with partially tinted windows so that,should a murderous rage overtake him,he could raise his piece without raising the suspicions of his poor intended victim.

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Ok...you just made me spit iced tea on my keyboard!

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I'm so sorry.
But I feel ultimately Arvin is to blame.

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Hmm? I wonder if Arvinman was in the elementary school class who rescued a small bird (unable to recall what it was). These kids took their small rescue on as a class project, feeding, watering, and tending to its needs (whatever they were) until it was able to thrive on its own (or so they thought). The day findly arrived for release of their beloved pet project. They all traipsed to an open field with bird in hand. Excitement builds. One lucky classmate was chosen to release the bird. As he did, clapping and sounds of joy suddenly stopped. Another larger predator bird swooped in and grabbed the beloved pet project in order to have a healthy meal.

They should have kept the bird because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush!

The End

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FYI: It is actually pretty tough to drive a vehicle with flip flops. I did so yesterday and it is a whole another feeling. I would not recommend it. In fact, I want to push a ban on driving a vehicle with flip flops.

In the workplace, one must wear closed toed shoes and on roller coasters (it is recommended); why not vehicles?

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I agree driving in flip-flops ought to be illegal.
While we're at it why not ban high heels and bare feet driving.
I would also ban phones,DVD players,smoking and any kind of music from cars,also loud distracting children/mother in-laws.
Guns-banned from cars (no need to ban tinted windows if you cannot carry a weapon)
Drugs and alcohol-banned from cars.
Eating and drinking-banned from cars.
Chewing gum-death penalty.

You also ought not be allowed to drive with an argumentative passenger as it could cause stress to the driver and affect his concentration..... so

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Now now, let us only ban things that statistically show that harmful things can happen. Let's start with guns first. Additionally, I will add tinted windows for now.

High heels, I would ban just because they look uncomfortable. Are they not uncomfortable? I would not know.

Definitely ban phones, smoking, and music that causes rage.

I would ban babies from airplanes. To be ready for flight, one must be at least 5 years of age. I think the age of consent should be moved up to 21 and the drinking age to 25.

They actually almost have that chewing gum law in Singapore!

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I'm quite serious about it,I hate the stuff.
It's dangerous, a choking hazard.People just spit it out on the street-so that's their germ ridden saliva on the street.
They stick it under tables,it gets on your clothes in your hair on your fancy cushions.
It makes people look like cows chewing the cud.With their open mouthed LOUD chewing.Disgusting habit.

I've no idea why anyone would want to fly with an infant! That sounds like torture.

I gave up wearing heels years ago.They are uncomfortable,so they should just be banned really.This could drive the high heel trade underground but it's a risk I'm willing to take.

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What about chewing tobacco? It's like gum, when chewing; however, it leads to mouth cancer.

Ban that too!

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Definitely, it's a cross between two of the worst habits.Ban it!

Also ban men from wearing lycra ,it's just unnecessary. If you want to ride your bike just wear flip flops and Hawaiian shorts like a normal person.

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Actually, ban flip flops on bikes too. I have tried it and sometimes you can get a pedal to the ankle.

See, there is no mobile vehicle that it would be safe to wear flip flops on, at least while driving.

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Instead of banning high heels which can be used in defense against an assailant (go for the eyes, the toes or even the gonads) ban the guns which are obscured by tinted windows. Problem solved. You can have the tinted windows and a weapon...high heels. The higher the better!

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Gonads! Great word always makes me laugh.

I do love men.Play with them... Just don't hurt them! (Gonads that is)
We just don't know the pain they suffer if one of them gets touched in the wrong way do we??

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That's pretty provocative....

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Ok naps the cold.
The name is intriguing by the way.
It's not meant to be provocative honestly.Just a little gentle teasing.
It's often occurred to me that men and women have no way of understanding the way in which we suffer pain.

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This is absolutely true, m'dear. The name's origin is actually kinda pedesterian...but does sound a little better en Francais, n'est-ce pas?

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Mais oui.

Everything sounds better en Francais.

Apropos of nothing-

We drove past a sign by the side of the road and it read:-

German Shephard puppy's for sale.





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You drove past arvin's place?? (JK, arvin, JK!!!).

What would've been really bizarre would be if it said, "German shepherd's puppies for sale" :-)

I remember a sign in a former deli here: "These booth's seet six. Please share them when neccesssary" I kid you not. Another deli recently had a sign in its case: "Homemade chicken catchateri"

You can't make that kind of stuff up.

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I think we decided that it must have been a German man called Shephard selling something belonging to his puppies!
But I do
like the idea of some dodgy German shepherd selling black market puppies.
"Jah! Sie sind haus trained.Du must not feed zem after midnight verstehen sie? "

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That's truly funny. "Un we haf ways of making zem obey du..."

BTW, does your name have anything to do with the Led Zep song? Random curious question...

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It's from the David Bowie song Unwashed and Somewhat Slightly Dazed.

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Ah; OK. Another very cool song

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I've been told often enough!

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😂😂😂

They go "oooh pfgnffph"
roll on the ground clutching the area, tears rolling down their cheeks...

So sad!

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A direct hit is some serious pain. I'm talkin' serious.

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Sister gal, keep them high heels a-clicking! Gonads...hmm, now that you mention it, it is an interesting word. Sort of rolls off....oops!

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Ooooh, what you said, ksp!! :-)

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During childhood, did you ever “play” with ants and a magnifying glass? Every afternoon, I sit in traffic for 90 minutes (to drive 14 miles) as the malicious Georgia sun beats down upon me. Feels like god is punishing me for youthful indiscretions. Anywhoooo… tinted windows should be mandatory… at least in the South (IMHO).

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Not if they allow guns to be legal.

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I'll probably regret asking, but aren't guns already legal?

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Not in every state.

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In what states are guns completely illegal? Serious question.

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As I wrote, (not as I said) you like to argue for argument's sake! Arvin, would you by chance be one meg ohm from ear to ear? What is your difficulty in understanding YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING IN AND THROUGH MY TRUCK EVEN WITH MY TINTED WINDOWS! YOU COULD SEE MY WEAPON IF IT WAS EXPOSED! Definition of To See:Perceive, Spot, Notice, Catch sight of (uh oh! ending in a preposition!)

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I am not arguing. I simply am standing my ground on my original post. I want to BAN tinted windows.

BAN TINTED WINDOWS...BAN TINTED WINDOWS...BAN TINTED WINDOWS!!! O_o

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TINT BANNED WINDOWS...TINT BANNED WINDOWS...TINT BANNED WINDOWS

Again, arvin...just a joke. Not being mean

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Ban guns then. I'll give you my tinted windows when you pry them from my cold, dead hands!

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I won't give up either one! Arvin just seems to not understand what we in the very south have to live through with 95 degree plus. The protective door edging on my truck starts releasing because the adhesive is melting. I got that sticky stuff all over my hand and it's a bear to get off. Not a fun thing when your hand is going on the steering wheel. When a vehicle sits in the open in those high temps strange things can occur. Windows have cracked. You can't touch the darn thing because it's so hot. Tinted windows not only are a blessing for us drivers, they help prevent interior damage. Why does he not understand I'm referring to see through tint? Like I wrote 1 meg ohm from ear to ear!

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It’s kind of amusing to me. I was born/raised in the North. If I saw a heavily tinted car, I would think “no good drug dealer”. Now after a couple of years in the South, I think “god it must be so cool and comfortable in there!” When I first moved here, my car was black with black leather seats and no tinted windows. Guess how many summers that baby lasted!? Hint…. Rhymes with hero.

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You know what else is a stereotype? In California, the only time people flash their lights, is in a ghetto area and/or gang related. In KY, I have had it done to me several times. My first impression was "OMG...what do I do?"

Apparently, he just wanted me to turn first at the intersection. -_-

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Not to mention, the people who have tinted windows, tend to be horrible drivers. I was behind one of them today. Many of them here go like under the speed limit, just to enrage people, who have plain see through windows. Have your tint, if you must win the anti-ban; however, it must be clear as day to see every fingertip and every feature of yours.

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Not me! uh-uh! Not me! You should see me on the interstate. I usually leave everyone else behind unless they are going 90mph. And you really don't want to see every feature of me...you being a young whipper snapper....

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Arvin...asked you a serious question a while ago and you never answered...regarding guns. See above.

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Will this suffice? "All 50 states allow, at some level, concealed carry, but some states are considerably more restrictive than others. California, Florida, Illinois, Texas, South Carolina and New York (as well as Washington, D.C.) are the only states to prohibit open carry of handguns in public."

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That's fine, Ksp. Sincere thanks. I actually already knew the answer, but wanted arvin to respond to his statement that guns aren't legal in all states. If you're (meaning arvin) gonna make a statement like that, you should be prepared to back it up.

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Really? Because it clearly said "Arvin...asked you a serious question a while ago and you never answered...regarding guns. See above."

Arvin vs. kspkap

O_o

How does one mistake one for the other?

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It was clear the post was for me ksp. We all know you were not half asleep and then 8 hours, after, noticed that it said Arvin. Come on now...lol

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Believe what you will! I'm through debating a contrarian (credit Dazed).

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And you deleted your previous response to mine. Why would you do that kspkap? It even says [deleted]. I would question what you said there and if you really just wanted to answer my question, and not admit it.

Hmm?

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Because to you nothing is truth from someone else. If we said the sky is blue you would find a way to deem it not. You are omnipotent! You know all and spend your hours (and I mean hours) going over every jot and tittle to attempt to prove your omnipotence! You aren't worth my time as I have no use for those who think of themselves as a god.

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The sky is not truly blue btw. It reflects a wavelength of light that we perceive as being blue.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html

See, I posted my article. The burden of proof rests with the defense. I will not expect you to provide your evidence.

If I am Jesus, Naps must be my father. *Darth Vader heavy breathing*

He knows more than I do!

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I never referred to you as Jesus! Good Lord! No! I wrote god in lower case. I would never equate you with Jesus, you being just one of the lowly gods.
BTW, good to know about the sky. Since you are so knowledgeable what color is the tint on car windows?

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So like a demi-god? :/

Whatever they reflect. You assumed I would say black huh? ;)

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And really Kspkap, it is not a bad thing to disagree or find alternatives to trains of thought. I am then not a sheep right? I could be a knowledgeable sheep, who follows the set view or the dumb boar, who may fall upon something, thinking of alternative views. I cannot always be right, as Naps has pointed out numerous times; however, it should be fun for you guys to point out my flaws (it could definitely get to the point of harassment though, if done the wrong way).

Learn to explore life and write questions (then again, people have hated me for asking questions or have gotten me in trouble for it.) It is still a good way to learn.

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You had to have also known that Naps very rarely uses pronouns. I had to inquire about that on the Mod2's thread and you were everywhere on that. Still, if you look at the post, you would be assuming that it was for everyone to answer.

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You could have gone one step farther. I found a statement that proves that I was right.

Bottom line: Ban tinted windows! ;)

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Napsdufroid, you could have used that time to look it up, if you wanted and prove me wrong. There is a ton of proof that someone "else" has to provide; however, like you had written to MoviemanCin2 that one time, you had wanted him to provide the article, when he was the first to write to you. In fairness of a debate, you provide the evidence when you question it, not the other way around. Unless you are 99.9% sure you are right ("I actually already knew the answer, but wanted arvin to respond to his statement that guns aren't legal in all states."), I would back up all your statements.

In terms of your statement, I could beat around the bush. You wrote "I'll probably regret asking, but aren't guns already legal?"

I responded with "Not in every state".

Illegal to possess, import, or purchase assault weapons (guns) and .50 BMG rifles, unless such weapons were acquired by the owner prior to June 1, 1989- State of Calfornia

Completely illegal? I would not need to prove that because I had never written that they were "completely" illegal in some states. In other words, I could not prove that statement right.

That would be my defense and it would only help to only prove my previous statement that guns are illegal.

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@Arvin

You are incorrect with your statement:"In fairness of a debate, you provide the evidence when you question it, not the other way around."
No, Arvin, when someone else questions your declaration as fact, YOU are to provide the source. The other person may genuinely not know the answer.

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I disagree and I also use to think like that.

The reason is because, if I made a statement, I could write anything. I could even lead you to a b.s. article that would prove my point. Depending on how much experience you have on the topic, you could yay or nay it. If you provide the source with disagreement, it stops the discussion right there. Whoever has the article, in most cases, will win the debate.

In a court case, if we were to go by that same logic, the plaintiff would almost always win. Without a strong defense and evidence to prove it; the judge would almost always side with the plaintiff. It is the defense job to proof the one making a point, wrong.

So far I can say Naps has years of experience on me, just by pointing out my grammatical errors; however, I doubt he is always right.

Of course, like I said, this would be up to opinion on who you think should have the burden of proof.

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Sorry, arvin, she's 100% correct. YOur statement wasn't that some guns were illegal in some states. You said guns period were illegal in some states. The burden of proof of your statement is 100% on YOU. You can throw all the semantics and false arguments you wish around, but it doesn't change that fact.

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But did I say what kind of guns?

Apparently, assault weapons and rifles are guns too.

Not if they allow guns to be legal.

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[–] napsdufroid (898) a day ago
I'll probably regret asking, but aren't guns already legal?

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[–] arvin g borkar (2325) a day ago
Not in every state.

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[–] napsdufroid (898) a day ago
In what states are guns completely illegal? Serious question.

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Sorry, arvin, playing semantics ain't gonna work with me. You didn't specify any type pf gun. You said "guns," period, meaning ALL guns via context. I asked my question, and your response, again, did not specify any type of gun. You said guns were not legal in every state. No certain guns, but guns, period.

C'mon. Put on your big boy pants and admit you were wrong here. It's OK. Nobody's gonna tar & feather you for it.

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"You did not specify any type of gun." :)

"and your response, again, did not specify any type of gun."

I will not admit that I was wrong.

But, I will admit that you think I was wrong.

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arvin, you were wrong. That is a fact, not an opinion. Now if you're gonna go the continue-to-deny route, that's on you and certainly your choice, but you're only hurting your own credibility.

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Usually, it goes like this.

The plaintiff makes a general statement, with or without proof (it is up to the plaintiff to determine whether he wants to put evidence towards it.)

The defense makes a counterargument and it is up to the defense, what they want to put toward it.

More than likely, I would think the plaintiff would win, without evidence from the defense.

Carry it further....

The plaintiff puts evidence out and the defense makes a general statement. The defense all ready lost.

The plaintiff puts out a general statement, the defense proves it wrong with evidence, and then the plaintiff will have to counterargue with some sort of evidence. If not, the defense wins.

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See above, arvin. You're wrong. No grey area. Hmmm...that's twice in as many days.

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OK, Arvin, I must be crazy to get into another debate with you, but here goes. As per you earlier:"Without a strong defense and evidence to prove it; the judge would almost always side with the plaintiff. It is the defense job to proof the one making a point, wrong." WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

Simple response in fact: It is NOT up to the Defense to prove a defendant is not guilty. His/her job is to defend the defendant against charges from the state. The defense does NOT have to show "evidence" to prove anything!

It is up to the Prosecutor to prove the said defendant guilty! Inquire to any defense attorney what his/her job is. Inquire to a prosecutor what his/her job is.

When you make a statement which is deemed as fact, you should be able to show the source. If the other party disagrees then that person needs to show their source. This is what is known as a debate.

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I think you were because your last post was 4 hours ago. Naps had all ready arrived at a conclusion to his question and my response to it.

As I see it, this thread is dead.

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It may be dead, arvin, but you're still wrong. That's not gonna change in 300 millenia

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My! My! Getting a little snarky there, Arvin. Tsk! Tsk!

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He's too stubborn to admit he's wrong, so he's running away. Wow. Never thought he'd take the coward's way out.....disappointing.

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In reality, he is intelligent. He just won't humble himself. It pays to admit being wrong at times and to be a little self effacing. Instead when he gets cornered he starts with the insults. I prefer to read and respond to the General Discussion board. He chides me for not going back and forth between threads. In fact, I do read other threads, but if I'm not interested or have nothing to contribute why bother? There are people who could not make it through the day without posting. I believe Arvin is one of those people. I'm not of that ilk.
Oh well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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Nobody said he wasn't intelligent. Just that he's being a coward here, which is a shame. As far as reading other threads and not contributing all the time, I'm right there with ya.

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I know that. I was just making a point.

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And a good one.

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Off topic....how do you spot a troll, a sock, doxxing?
I'm reading another thread started by Barclays? You wrote there is a way to spot one. Arvin warned me about one earlier. IDK

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Don't want to be specific here to help little bennie at all, but if you look at those and his other posts, you can see certain things that are a tip-off...

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OK, I will do so. Thanks!

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Okay, but did I insult you with anything derogatory?

And Kspkap, you had to know you were making a point that you yourself were not getting.

This whole thread was about banning tinted windows and your posts were "well you can still see inside with tint." You had to have known that that was not going to change my decision. Banning tint means banning it. If I agreed with you, I would be a hypocrite (which I can be at times, just not this time.)

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I am not stubborn; however, I am lenient on people and myself for being completely wrong. I will never admit it, unless I have proof.

You have all ready noticed that I have an alternative way of debating. Someone can put out a statement, not back it up, and the defense has to provide proof to overturn. That is my leniency. There are people who want it the other way, where the person making the first statement has to back it up.

The gun thing, you had taken as being black or white and some of your comment was assuming I meant all guns. I did not mean all guns. It brought me back to the thought of the post where I assumed Dazed had written something she did not.

All in all, I now know what it is like to be put in place. It does not sit well. To know everyday you will be antagonized by just posting something and have people disagree or say you are wrong all the time.





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"some of your comment was assuming I meant all guns. I did not mean all guns"

Sorry, arvin, that's more semantics to avoid admitting you were wrong. I assumed nothing; you said "guns," not "some guns" or "certain guns" or "specific guns." And then you come back with two types that 99.999% of the time wouldn't be used by any driver while driving anyway.

You are still 100% wrong, and you still refuse to admit it. Sorry if it doesn't sit well, but that's the danger of making sweeping generalized statements; you may be called out on them.

And nobody is antagonizing you; it's the nature of debate. In addition, nobody is saying you're wrong "all the time." You're exaggerating. Disagreeing with something you say, such as tinted windows, is, again, debate.

BTW, in the context of what you wrote, it's every day, not everyday. Two different things.

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I have to inquire, through writing, where you were brought up? In the U.S.?

The reason I ask is because there is much debate about the death penalty. Say someone said something and made a sweeping generalization because they did not have all the facts, would you accuse them to be put to death or would you have leniency towards the situation? I wonder. Politically, you seem to be as staunch as a Republican (nothing wrong with that; however, MoveManCin is Republican and even he is not that staunch.)

I said "guns". Why would someone have to be specific in "some guns" or "certain guns"? If I was specific, I would think I would have a lot more to prove. Why should I have not written "all guns"? Right there, I would have lost debate.

"you come back with two types that 99.999% of the time wouldn't be used by any driver while driving anyway."

But that was not your question.

Your question was "I'll probably regret asking, but aren't guns already legal?"

So where did that previous driver quote come from?

I am definitely not wrong. If our system was that black or white, as you decide a debate; any generalization, especially in a death penalty case, would result in death.

Again, there is no proof I meant all guns. Prove it. Get inside my head and physically pull out my thought bubble of "all guns".

There comes a time, when even YOU think someone is wrong, you may just have to drop it. MoveManCin2 knows how to agree to disagree and he leaves. You are very persistent, Naps and even as wise as you are, it does not do justice. There is no fact that I was wrong, that is purely your OPINION (we need evidence or a vote). The only time opinion becomes fact is when many agree, as in a vote or you can provide an article of evidence.

So how is it fact, when it is clearly your opinion and why do you never agree to disagree? Even then I wonder if you always think what you say is right.


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I was born and raised in the Northeast, arvin.

Again, arvin, nice try. Still just semantics, and you're still wrong.

Your death penalty analogy is ridiculous. Doesn't apply in amy way at all here. That's something based on one found guilty or innocent based on hard evidence and facts -- at least in our justice system.

Your assuming I'm a "staunch republican" politically is beyond ludicrous. How did you even arrive at that? You obviously haven't read many of my posts. I have never been a republican, staunch or otherwise.

Persistent? Yup; just as persistent as you. If you didn't mean all guns, you needed to specify that. The fact that you didn't, and using context (there's that magical word again), meant your words encompassed all guns. Prove it? Of course I can't. But again, written context -- the same language you had wrong about a few other things -- indicates otherwise.

But I'll play your game. Prove you didn't mean all guns. I'll save you the time, arvin. You can't. If you want to go that route, then we can safely assume you didn't mean all tinted windows in your outcry for a ban, but only some. Same flawed logic.

Sorry, arvin. I know you don't like it, but you are definitely wrong. Not my opinion; your own words cement that fact.

As far as my comment about the 2 guns you used to back up your refusal to admit you're wrong, I based it on facts. How many road-rage shootings that happened while people were driving, have involved those 2 rifles? Ever try to shoot a rifle with one hand while moving? Not impossible, but one's aim would be near useless.

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You got pine trees up yonder.

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Uh, sure bubba, whatever the F that means. Go back to listening to your Hank Williams Jr. tapes like a good little lad.

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My bad, I was thinking of the northwest. Pine trees are quite common around there and so are squirrels.

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Squirrels are common everywhere

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Instead of banning poor Arvin, (not really a loser, just naive and a young whipper snapper) maybe we could tint him in that pretty shade of tint. He then would blend in with the tinted windows he's so rabidly against.

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That's actually Bennie. You were forewarned.

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You've closed your thread?

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Yes, I close my threads after a certain number of responses. I think people, who have all ready commented, can choose to further comment; however, then my thread always gets bumped to the top. I am trying to give other threads a chance.

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And it's "already";an adverb which qualified the verb "commented". Not "all ready" which means prepared. I've noticed you tend to use the phrase frequently. Just sayin'

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"Not 'all ready', which means prepared."

You missed a comma.

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Thank you! I will make note.

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I think people who have already commented can choose to comment further. However, then my thread always gets bumped to the top.

Fixed that for you.

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@Arvin:From the closed thread:"Learn to explore life and write questions...."

My exploring days are almost over. I've had decades to explore...though rather boring except for high school escapades. Recalling memories with lifetime friends is in itself exploring.

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Yeah I can see that you are bored because even after I closed this thread, you made this statement and then went on to correcting my spelling. You do know there are other threads on here right?

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And it's "already";an adverb which qualified the verb "commented". Not "all ready" which means prepared. I've noticed you tend to use the phrase frequently. Just sayin'
posted 8 minutes ago in General Discussion

@Arvin:From the closed thread:"Learn to explore life and write questions...." My exploring days are almost over. I've had decades to explore...though rather boring except for high school escapades. Recalling memories with lifetime friends is in itself exploring.
posted 17 minutes ago in General Discussion

I never referred to you as Jesus! Good Lord! No! I wrote god in lower case. I would never equate you with Jesus, you being just one of the lowly gods. BTW, good to know about the sky. Since you are so knowledgeable what color is the tint on car windows?
posted 2 hours ago in General Discussion

Because to you nothing is truth from someone else. If we said the sky is blue you would find a way to deem it not. You are omnipotent! You know all and spend your hours (and I mean hours) going over every jot and tittle to attempt to prove your omnipotence! You aren't worth my time as I have no use for those who think of themselves as a god.
posted 2 hours ago in General Discussion

Believe what you will! I'm through debating a contrarian (credit Dazed).
posted 3 hours ago in General Discussion


These are all your past responses and even as you were probably responding to notifications, there was not an attempt made to look at other threads.

If you look at my past history, I am back and forth. In fact, I contribute a lot into making sure other threads are seen. Do not get hung up on one discussion, as this site needs expansion in all areas. This could be the reason why only the general discussion is weighted with responses.


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I have been on other threads, but you are such a PITA, I find you interestingly quizzical...an enigma.

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That's pretty creepy. O_o

Anything you find amusing in this thread?

https://moviechat.org/general/General-Discussion/58af143fbe56fd001151faaa/ONE-THING-IMDb-LACKED

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Yeah...your use of tons of totally unnecessary commas, for one.

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