Why would God create immoralities and sin if we are told not to indulge in it at all?
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Who says God created sin and immorality? Because that's wrong. He didn't create those things, we did.share
Because it is a game to give you consequences for your actions. I think that it is a bunch of crap most of the time because people are generally FAKE ass hell anyway.share
God didn't invent sin. God gave human beings a free will, and we naturally choose sin. Why free will? Because God wanted us to be able to love Him, but love isn't love if it's compelled. So we have the free will.
People like to look at the world and say all of man's inhumanity to man is God's fault. But it's what man chooses.
So sin is still God's fault, because his immense ego demands that he create lesser beings for the sake of loving him.
But we actually don't have free will. We make our choices based on our personalities, but we do not choose our personalities. If you have two people, A and B, where A wants to commit adultery but B doesn't, who is the better person if both refrain from adultery? A refrains because he knows adultery is wrong, because he loves his wife, and so fights against his own urges. He refrains because he wants to be a good person. If he could, he would choose to be aroused by his wife only, but we can't choose what to want or what not to want. Person B doesn't want to fool around anyway, so for him it's no struggle at all.
The vast majority of violent crime is perpetrated by men. This is because violence is closer to male nature than female. This is nature, not "free will". If God made man, then he also made testosterone. And he knew what the consequences would have to be, especially considering he made humans into two genders (he didn't have to), and gave each to be dominated by different sets of hormones. If we act on our nature, who is to blame for that? We didn't ask for our nature.
And if you've watched the Terminator movies... Who is to blame for Skynet?
It's your free will. You're just trying to do what Adam did: And the man said, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." (Gen. 3:12) It's not your fault you freely chose to sin. God did it. No, you freely choose to sin. If you admit it your part in it, you know you like it. It's like a brat who doesn't want to be punished screaming, "I didn't ask to be born!" So the brat shouldn't be held accountable for microwaving the cat because he didn't ask to be born?
Like so many religious folk you seem to think that the absence of free will implies the absence of responsibility, but that is sheer nonsense. If your roof starts leaking, it's the roof that needs fixing, even though the roof is not to blame. That's what consequences in life are, too: repairs. The criminal is not to blame for his own personality or background, but he is still the one who needs fixing: for his own benefit, and that of society.
Now, it would be nice if you would address my points when replying to me, and not some imaginary point I never made. You reply as if you either haven't read, or haven't comprehended, anything I wrote. I'll post some very easy questions for you:
1. Who was to blame for Skynet? If God has no responsibility for his creations, then the people who created Skynet are likewise blameless.
2. Have you ever deliberately chosen contrary to your own wishes? By that I do not mean made sacrifices for some other benefit, like eg. abstaining from unhealthy foods for the sake of your health or foregone luxuries for yourself in order to better provide for your children. I put it to you that you act on your personality, same as everybody else. That is all anyone can ever do. Which leads me to my next question:
3. When did you choose your personality? Why is there such a thing as adultery, if people can freely choose what to want?
4. Bonus question, not directly related to the mythical concept of "free will": God deliberately made Adam and Eve without the knowledge of good and evil, in other words, they had no concept of right or wrong. So how were they supposed to know it was wrong to disobey God?
A criminal is not just predisposed to commit a crime because of his background. Im curious to know why you think a criminal is not to blame for their own actions?share
A criminal is a criminal because of the circumstances he finds himself in, combined with his personality. Do you really disagree with this?
Even if you look at things statistically: do you think it is random that crime is concentrated amongst the poor, instead of evenly distributed amongst all strata of society? Is it equally random that men are far overrepresented when it comes to violent crime, instead of being evenly distributed across genders?
A criminal chooses to be a criminal by way of his actions. His background is irrelevant. Yes, your likelihood of being a criminal increases if you are born into poor socioeconomic areas but it doesn´t mean you are doomed to commit crime, otherwise we would see 100% causality. There are plenty of poor, less educated people out there, and the majority of them don´t commit crimes, so why are the ones that do immune from responsibility, according to you? Likewise, there are rich, educated people that commit crimes. Are the rich, privileged criminals, more culpable because they didn´t have a "hard life"?
Im sorry, yes I disagree with it because poverty is not an excuse to commit crimes, nor does it give you a pass on culpability...
A person's background is most certainly not irrelevant. On the contrary, it is precisely what makes a person who he or she is.
And I never said that poverty is an *excuse* - we must all be held accountable for our actions. But poverty is still an explanation. Sure, person A may be law abiding despite being just as poor as person B, who is a criminal, but then person A doesn't have the same background as person B. Not in upbringing, and certainly not in personality. It stands to reason that two people with identical personalities will make identical choices if placed in identical circumstances. The way we choose is entirely deterministic.
"The criminal is not to blame for his own personality or background.."
That sounds like an excuse to me.
As for determinism, interesting theory but not a believer. If every choice you ever made was determined in advance, what would be the point of your life?
"When did you choose your personality? Why is there such a thing as adultery, if people can freely choose what to want?"
Curious as to what exactly you´re asking here?
"That sounds like an excuse to me."
Sure, if you take it out of context like that.
"As for determinism, interesting theory but not a believer. If every choice you ever made was determined in advance, what would be the point of your life?"
Why would the point of your life be affected by determinism?
"Curious as to what exactly you´re asking here?"
The questions were pretty straightforward. Why do you want the things you want? When did you choose your personality? The answer is, you didn't. Your personality was shaped by two big factors: your biological makeup and your environment. You never *chose* what sort of personality you were going to have.
Personality doesn´t affect every decision you ever make. And I was referring to your question about adultery. What does people choosing to do what they want have anything to do with adultery?share
God didnt invent these things, as these things are a result of man abusing free will and straying from God's intention.share
How would it be possible for man to "abuse" free will, when free will is supposed to be we can do whatever we want? If it turns out we're not allowed to anyway, what's the point of free will?
And indeed, how is it possible to act according to free will except via our nature? And who created our nature? Who gave men an overdose of testosterone? People don't break rules unless they want to, so why make them want to?
"How would it be possible for man to "abuse" free will, when free will is supposed to be we can do whatever we want? If it turns out we're not allowed to anyway, what's the point of free will?"
The point of free will, in my humble opinion, is the right to choose.
"how is it possible to act according to free will except via our nature? And who created our nature? Who gave men an overdose of testosterone? People don't break rules unless they want to, so why make them want to?"
Forgive me if my answer seems a bit long winded, but you ask really good questions and I'm going to try to give you the best answer I can. Whether you believe the bible to be true or not has nothing to do with my answer. I'm answering according to the canon of the christian bible. So, according to the canon of the christian bible, man has already fallen and cannot be redeemed, regardless of free will. Our nature is to sin, but that's not by God's design. The entire message of the christian bible is about God redeeming man, all sinners. God knows we cannot earn our salvation ourselves, which is why (in the bible) he died for all sins to make man perfect. We are not perfect because we try to do what is right, but we are made perfect because God was born into a man, lived the perfect life (without sin), and paid our fines and penalties so we can all be made perfect, regardless of what we decided to do with our free wills.
I hope my answer was relevant to your questions. If not, I really do apologize as I tried my best.