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Why has Disney just gone pure "woke" (for lack of a better term) in such a short time?


I just saw the trailer for Peter Pan & Wendy and noticed that Tinker Bell is black. First Ariel, now Tinker Bell, who are both flawed, but strong women. I have also not heard of this happening to men so far, but correct me if I'm wrong. Not that I have anything against changing someone's ethnicity in itself, it just annoyed me how Disney seems to be wanting to show off politcal agendas rather than staying true as can be to the original story and box office success. I'm not sure why a remake of a kid's movie is the best place to show these political ideoligies. I would save that for PG-13 movies or something.

Also, I wonder how would most people react if the Princess and the Frog was remade with a white cast? Or better yet interracial romance? (I assume Little Mermaid does this, and in a sense Peter Pan will too, since Tinker Bell has a crush on Peter).

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The calculation is that it makes them more money. They believe that the cast should reflect the audience which is more and more diverse than ever before.

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Is that really a fact though? I wasn't really aware that the majority of cinema audiences loved diversity. I thought money was more invested into things like special effects and the actors, and not necessarily diversity itself. I really didn't know that. Also how many times has this happened in Disney, I am wondering?

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It's not that cinema audiences love diversity per se, it's that they are diverse themselves. POC "comprised the majority of ticket-buyers for most of 2021’s highest-grossing movies."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hollywood-diversity-report-2022-1235117768/amp/

So if you're a large part of the sales and the movies success, you might want to see yourself reflected in the product.

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its not about money, these are propaganda arms controlled by globalist 👃's, they care about pushing their agenda first and foremost, the loss in revenue is just the cost of doing business...

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Non-subtle anti-semitism here, i see

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they were kicked out of 190 nations over the years for no reason at all huh?

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So you are openly hateful of Jewish people?

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the jews hate me, and are using their hollywood propaganda machine to incite violence and hate against my race. am i supposed to be thankful?!?

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Sorry, what is your race?

And how are they trying to incite violence against you?

You're bordering on nazism, pal

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the 👃 is using propaganda to pin the black against the white. They want all us working class peasants to bicker and flight amongst ourselves while they sit safety in their ivory towers profiting from all the chaos and disorder they create...

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so Tinker bell not being white has made you apopleptic with rage and ready to go to a race war with blacks and jews?

wow its not hard to push your buttons is it?

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its the jews who want to incite the race war not be bud...

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Nah, I think they just made some of the characters non white in order to appeal more to non white audiences - which is a pretty large market to sell to.


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they want to replace us with easier to control and manipulate races...

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You think Disney race-shifting a fictional character in a kids film is to incite race war?

Have you considered just not being a baby and having some self-control?

Also, you do realise that you are literally coming across as an outright nazi?

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my grandpa fought for the nazi's. its part of my family heritage, stop being racist and accept my racism!

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"they were kicked out of 190 nations over the years for no reason at all huh?" is nazi-tier commentary

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the truth hurts so u call me names instead of debating. the left cant win arguments so they just try to censor people calling everyone a "nazi"

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What "truth"? What evidence have you even presented?

Are you unironically in favour of expelling all people of Jewish background?

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no im just saying 190 nations did so in the past. was this all just a coincidence?!?

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Various reasons. Mostly rooted in racist and religious prejudice. Where are you even getting "190" from anyway?

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Apart from your anti-semitism, your analysis is broadly correct.

Globalists come in all races.

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I noticed how you can't actually defend your position...

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What position? He made a claim and backed it up with no evidence. Are you saying anti-semitism is a respectable position?

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this is basically a neo-nazi site

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Mental Illness must be a job requirement.

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Because in 1988, a mentally ill gay guy wrote all the songs for "The Little Mermaid," that movie was a big hit. Ever since, Disney has been filling the company with mentally ill LGBT Democrat party activists even though they are perverts and antithetical to family friendly entertainment.

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We live in a world filled with diversity. Go back in your cave.

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Where's all that diversity in the non-western world? They don't seem to have any...

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What do you mean "they don't seem to have any"? Depending on country, and what you're measuring, this is just untrue.

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If people can’t relate to others that “don’t look like them,” then isn’t that an argument in support of segregation? I can’t believe people actually seem to be in favor of that in todays day in age.

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A LOT of what lefties say today, if you take seriously, would make it impossible for different groups, specifically whites and blacks to live together.

and/or they end up massively supporting the ideas of past white racists or segregationists.


IMO, it reflects the complete lack of serious thought about the shit they say becuase no one ever calls them on it, inside their bubble.

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The Woke Era unofficially started in 2015, but it didn't start charging full steam ahead until 2016, when the culture wars heated up.

Disney (among other movie companies) also started making dealings with a major investment company called "Blackrock," who had started pushing the ESG scoring on them. The ESG scoring demanded that the products Disney and their fellow movie studios be as diverse and PC as possible (AKA, woke). The higher the ESG score, the more money Blackrock would pour into the studio. Considering how many activists Bob Ogre had hired to work within the walls of Disney, the majority of the higher-ups were happy to charge full steam ahead with their far-left agenda to get the highest ESG score possible, particularly after 2015 when gay marriage was made legal, and the gender revolution took off a year after that.

You can see it very clearly with what movies they were producing before and after 2016. It's like someone flipped a demonic switch at the Walt Disney Studios and changed it overnight.

Any movie studio who has a deal with Blackrock or Vanguard (another investment firm that pushes an ESG score) doesn't fear going broke because any deficit they get will be made up with money given to them from those companies, money which comes, strangely enough, in scrubbed and laundered form from the US govt. and taxpayer money.

It's why Disney keeps stupidly doubling down on their woke crap, because they want that investor money really bad and refuse to admit that in exchange for their deal with the devil (AKA Blackrock) they are actually harming their own brand badly and alienating the majority of their customers, ergo, the money and support from their customers is going away really fast.

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Good points. It looks like Vanguard is backing away from ESG but they still have ESG funds available for investors who embrace that philosophy. I hope this means Vanguard might team up with Peltz and Perlmutter to end Disney's woke ways.

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/vanguards-climate-group-exit-shows-retail-investors-trail-esg-2023-01-12/

I wonder whether Iger made some of these moves with a future Presidential run in mind. He could advocate for wokeness as part of his Presidential platform. He is presently seventy-two so he could make a run in the future. His wife nixed his last run for Prez BUT he could always run for CA Governor or Congress.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/bob-iger-explains-why-he-decided-presidential-run-1102213/

There were a bunch of diversity studies that promoted inclusion as a means to make more money but I don't believe woke movies and merch are selling.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/02/12/275907930/redefining-hollywood-diversity-makes-more-money * 2014 diversity study *

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hollywood-losing-10b-in-potential-annual-revenue-from-black-inequity-says-mckinsey-report-4147545/ *2021 diversity study *

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Yes, Iger had political aspirations. He either wanted to run for president, or become a US ambassador to China. The latter would have been the crowning achievement of his career and guaranteed a cushy, high-paying job for him overseas to enjoy into his retirement. The problem was, Covid happened, Bob Chapek had to clean up the messes as a result, as well as taking the blame for the messes Iger had left behind, and the company (as well as its satellite studios) started losing money and customers as a result of going woke. So Iger was forced to fire Chapek and come back as CEO. In fact, Chapek wanting the company to become less political (partially due to the feud with DeSantis) is what sparked the firing, as well as making Iger come back to re-take over the company.

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Is the "problem" that they diversified the cast, or is noticing the diversification actually the problem? May just be me, but I don't think changing the race of a character whose race isn't integral to who the character is or significant in any way should be noticeable enough to warrant any kind of ire against Disney. I also think Disney movies are the perfect place to showcase acceptance, since kids haven't completely inherited their parents' hatred/distrust of others yet, so some of them won't even know the character is "supposed" to be a certain race.

Someone brought up on this site the other day that Morgan Freeman replaced an Irish character in The Shawshank Redemption, and that's not had a negative impact on the film overall or ruined the character. I don't know that many Irish people have complained about Irish erasure, given this is still a character written from an American's perspective anyway. And if anything, Freeman's gravitas elevated the film to become what it is now.

Part of why I mention Stephen King's film is because the most contentious part of this casting, as well as the casting for The Little Mermaid, is how we're still seeing studios relegate POC to the magical negro trope that King made so popular (The Stand, The Green Mile, Doctor Sleep) because they're not actually that comfortable with diversification. I don't think a non-white person playing a role in a film should still be a point of contention in 2023, but that's just me.

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The problem is that the wokeness philosophy does not just concern casting. Hollyweird and Disney are implementing inclusion standards for the casting, plot, crew, financing, marketing and other
aspects of a film or television production. Instead of hiring the most qualified people, they are focusing on a person's race, gender, sexuality or disability. Parents
are getting mad at Disney for placing LGBTQ+ themes and people in the kids' shows and most parents don't want to start explaining sex to their children. Disney is also
tackling intersectionality by replacing the male heroes with female heroes.

https://reimaginetomorrow.disney.com/assets/ABC-INCLUSION-STANDARDS-ONE-PAGER-6-16-21.pdf

https://www.oscars.org/news/academy-establishes-representation-and-inclusion-standards-oscarsr-eligibility

The Shawshank Redemption novella was somewhat obscure so I don't think most people would have noticed the Red race swap. Additionally, Morgan Freeman was a top-tier actor at that point who had significant star power. There was an attitude in Hollyweird that a great actor or star could play anyone but that does not usually work today. The
role of the magical negro is still a paying job that could lead to other roles. I believe Michael Clarke Duncan's career was boosted by his role in The Green Mile, another
Stephen King story. Some actors make a fortune by playing a ridiculous role.

I would like to see Hollyweird come up with new stories featuring new characters pulled from underrepresented groups instead of remaking old classics with casts made up of underrepresented groups. Many people have noticed a trend of red-haired comic book characters being replaced by BIPOC actors. Some of the characters are supporting characters while others are significant characters with long histories. Significant/iconic cultural, historical and religious characters should not be race-swapped or gender-swapped AND their portrayals should remain faithful to the original source material.

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Disney has been woke for a long time, long before it was called that.

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