On this site I see people from the left complain about the right being racist, and I've seen people from the right call people from the left "retarded". I'm wondering if anyone here is like me and refuse to choose any of those sides.
shareThere's no such thing as a "centrist." Some have tried to use the word as a synonym for "pragmatist," but that's not defensible. When the corporate press uses the word (or its twin "moderate"), they're referring to the Clintonite right among the elected officials in the Democratic party or the conservative wing among elected officials of the Republican party. Most Americans aren't ideologues, and wouldn't even give the matter enough thought to decide where, overall, they could realistically be said to fall.
shareCentrist means establishment shill.
shareI see your point. I guess that's me.
shareYou don't have to choose any side at all, the thing is people will choose your side for you just because you like some policies from either side.
shareNothing wrong with being a centrist.
I have personally known persons that claimed to be centrist in order to “keep the peace”; unfortunately, the socialist-left-liberal-democrats-progressives do not see it that way. They see it as you are either with them or you’re against them.
At a later point, some of those centrist switched to the right after their eyes were opened to the many irrefutable and unequivocal truths after they saw through all their diabolical lies and deceptions manufactured from the socialist-left and how cunning and devious they are in twisting and distorting the truth about almost everything. I said “almost” because when the truth is indisputable, all that is left are their “excuses” and “justifications”.
I mentioned it somewhere else on this thread, but when I mention that I'm neither left nor right, right-wingers have a "whatever" reaction, whereas left-wingers have a "so you're against equality" mentality.
shareBullshit, point to where in this thread a left winger said "so you're against equality" in response to someone saying they are a centrist.
I didn't say it was this thread. Banned Leodicaprio and TrentnQuarantino have both said it to me.
shareWhose banned you say?
Whatever I might have said to you was justly earned.
Leodicaprio was banned about 4 months ago. And how do you know that what you said to me was justly earned? For all you know, you could read those comments (plural, it was more than one comment) and think that you went too far. It was just a difference of opinion that you didn't like.
sharePoint to something I've written to you that was not justly earned.
What things is it you recall I said to you?
I assess each and every political issue on a case-by-case basis and align to what I think, not any political party.
When voting I weigh up the pros and cons of each and try to make the best judgement.
If you refuse to choose sides you are like those in Germany who allowed Hitler to rise to power, meaning you are effectively a passive Right-wing do nothing.
shareBeing in the centre doesn't mean you don't do anything. It means that you are able to agree with both sides, while also having the ability to not agree with any of them.
shareI consider myself a centralist because I trust neither side... and so many extreme views these days seem to lack all common sense .
For most of my life I thought of myself as a "classic liberal" but the last several years the intolerance, the righteous indignation and the knee jerk judgement of anyone that disagrees has made me wonder .. The underdog gets the bone and whoever gets the bone becomes the bully.
It is not important about how you feel about either side, or whether you trust them.
What is important is what the net political agenda of all the members on either side and what are they doing to represent the American people.
The driving united direction of the Right-wing today is to overthrow the country in the most vile way and drive propaganda through the media to provoke people to hate each other. This is purely coming from the Right-wing.
They say it is provoked by the Left by blowing a bunch of silly shit out or proportion to provoke outrage among the most stupid Americans, and those who think they see profit in the Republicans scams. That's a lot of people, and the Right if funded by very serious and vicious people.
There is a criminal parasite over the body of the United States government that is so powerful it can not only hide itself, but it can reprogram our system not to even look for it. It started by infecting the Right-wing, the John-Birch and Libertarian Koch Brothers and others, and before then it was the DuPonts, Ford, bankers, industrialists, just like in Germany.
Somehow in the first American reich America prevailed and we have some pretty good times under FDR and on. Then these folks took hold again.
So it is not who you trust it is in the main which party's goals do you align with. The one party that is always accusing the other side of horrible crimes is the one that is perpetrating the most horrible crimes on our government and way of life.
For most of my life I thought of myself as a "classic liberal" but the last several years the intolerance, the righteous indignation and the knee jerk judgement of anyone that disagrees has made me wonder
I think you and others who are strident about Left-Right issues are missing an important qualifier.
The difference between the Left and Right is essentially support of the monied elite.
You will say that corporations support the Democrats too, but not in the same way.
1. Some marginal number of Democrats are puppets, ex. Kirsten Sinema & Joe Manchin
2. Most of the media - even the supposedly Leftist media is mainly critical of the Left, and goes as far out of the way to portray the divisions on the Left as it does to portray solidarity on the Right.
3.The Media gives no voice to anyone who criticizes capitalism. The framing is capitalism versus communism, or some variation of that. The reality is that this meme is distorted from the reality that what we really have is democracy versus corruption, and though some on the Left participate in corruption, the Right is who Legislates it. They have enough participation by the puppet Left to do whatever they want, and the media spins it as normal and acceptable.
That is enough examples.
So, saying you are a centrist on issues is irrelevant. I could then claim I am a centrist because though most everything else I believe in is democratic socialist regulated free-market would be considered on the Left, I also strongly support Israel ( not a Jew or a Christian ) and I support strictly managing immigration.
The point is that it would be dishonest of me to claim I was a centrist, though I could fit into the moderate category because of realism and pragmatism, it would not be true, because power politics are the weak and fragmented non-plutocrats of America against the strong and far less fragmented, and even on most issues solidly fascist - in the sense that these elites in most cases force a political policy that is anti-people, and use the elections, campaigns, media, universities, jobs to discriminate against their opponents - usually based on they want to keep all their money and have have no regulation on their actions or crimes. Think the model of what a lot of our most powerful billionaires would love to have here in American - MBS, Mohammed bin Salman.
So, whatever the issue and however I might side on the facts with the Right-wing, say on immigration, support on immigration to the Right-wing really means being able to impose virtual slavery on immigrants, and organized crime in their homes. There is a whole system on the Right, connected to the military and intelligence that is not even on the radar of the Left - despite say Biden on Ukraine.
The war in Ukraine is yet the most corrupt thing the US has done, and I don't think Biden even has a clue, but there is always far more chance that the Left-wing will gain some power on occasion to get something done for the people or bring reform that will never happen on the Right. Example there is how the Right is continually working hard to shut down Social Security and Medicare/MedicAid. To me that is class-genocide. The Left has n nothing to do with that, except for the puppets like Clinton who rubber stamped most Republican legislation, under over or constant media criticism.
It's a bizarre truism but we can pretty figure that anything we hear or see in any of our media is there for a reason and is pretty close to 180 degrees wrong.
No, mostly I'm centre because the political spectrum is arbitrary. The political spectrum works as a checklist that implies if you are pro something, you're either on this side or that side. It doesn't allow for any nuance. For example: people would say capitalism is a right-wing viewpoint. However, but what if you are pro-capitalism but don't feel like things should only be capitalist? People treat political leanings as if it's a sport team.
share> No, mostly I'm centre because the political spectrum is arbitrary.
Dumbass to start that statement with No?
If you're gonna say no and not be a total dumbass ignoramus, you have to say what you are objective to in a relevant way.
Maybe you didn't understand.
> the political spectrum is arbitrary.
On the issues.
In terms of the parties the political spectrum is anything but.
You were right about their intolerance for the centrist.
BTW, how is this banned troll back here ranting incessantly?
Some people seem to be immune here. This guy here https://moviechat.org/user/58a8e929203e9300116f3ae5 is my biggest foe. He has never had a comment deleted or been banned and yet he constant attacks people for for reason.
shareYou are Coward for not choosing a Side
shareIs this sarcasm?
shareNo Pick a Side the Liberals care about people and the common Biden and Trudeau Rock turn the earth Blue
shareI disagree. Both sides like to point fingers at each other and get mad when they're not on each other's side.
sharethen you are A COWARD Fuck you you Bigot POS Human
shareSamoanJones is Coward Fuck face
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