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It’s emotional, funny, surprising and incredibly well paced. If you’ve been watching these movies for the characters and not the CGI spectacle (although it does have plenty of that as well) then you will be very satisfied.
Endings are also very difficult to pull off so extra props to the writers/directors for not falling at the last hurdle.
I personally think it’s the best ending film to a franchise I’ve ever seen, better than Return of the Jedi, The Dark Knight Rises and maybe even Return of the King because it doesn’t end about 20 times.
There is no such time. Every scene, every exchange of dialogue has to be seen if you’ve watched these movies for the past 11 years, it’s that good.
I agree, it’s best not to come here if you don’t want spoilers. This is to discuss a movie that is now out in a lot of countries, there’s going to be spoilers.
Come back when you’ve seen it whether that be in the cinema or September when the DVD/blu-ray is out.
It’s one of the most perfectly paced movies I’ve seen in a while actually. Plenty of talking without slowing the film down and losing that sense of urgency and fun.
Yeah that scene was badass.
Her character has had it rough, she lost her brother, accidentally killed people when saving Cap from Rumlow blowing himself up and then had to kill her boyfriend to save the universe only to watch as he’s brought back to life to be killed again in front of her.
Sam makes sense. He’s been by Cap’s side all along, helped him look for Bucky and stood by him in Civil War. He was even there when Cap woke up in the hospital in Winter Soldier.
Bucky has probably had it worse than anyone what with the whole Hydra brainwashing torture thing, he’s probably okay with not having the responsibility of living up to Steve Rogers.
Exactly this.
The movie has plot holes but it’s always the case with time travel. It doesn’t bother me though, the time heist was so much fun and was refreshingly different after all the fighting in Infinity War.
If it had been a single timeline with a closed loop then it wouldn’t be as good cus Cap would have gone back and not interfered with anything.
Cap probably went back to a different timeline, married Peggy, kicked some Hydra ass, saved Bucky and then grew old and came back to our timeline with the shield to pass on to Sam.
It was a beautiful ending and a few plot holes aren’t going to ruin it for me.
I love the show as well despite the flaws. The show really knew how to make you care about the characters and hook you on the mysteries and the drama.
The final season is the weakest though because of the flash-sideways. The show had established itself as sci-fi long before this point and yet they opt for a cheesy religious afterlife ending.
The ending of them stopping the monster from getting off the island is fine and it’s a decent good vs evil story with a hero’s journey ending (for Jack.)
So yeah if they’d got rid of the flash-sideways and focused more on the on-island character interactions and drama it would have been a much stronger final season. I am grateful it at least got an ending though.
For network TV the show is still groundbreaking and the theories and speculations were all so much fun and the show itself is always entertaining because of the characters and the twists (the season 3 finale, wow!)
I've got all of my disappointment out of the way. Season 7 really showed how sloppy the writing can get at times. I'm not that surprised by this first episode's quality, HBO are not concerned about the quality of writing anymore, the show is ending and we're all going to watch it. The battle scenes will be spectacular though of that I have no doubt.
I just hope they handle the deaths well. As much as Lost's final season was overall a disappointment we still cared about the characters and it was genuinely shocking and emotional when three of the main characters were killed all at once a few episodes from the end. I just want to be surprised which hasn't happened for me on this show since the episode "The Door" which was such an emotionally powerful episode that also blew my mind.
I like your theory as well. They’ve probably got Ewan to make a cameo appearance. Heck they’ve probably even got Hayden back for a cameo considering the amount of fan pandering they’re doing as an apology for TLJ.
He started Lost by coming up with an initial idea with Damon Lindelof and directing the pilot episode. He then briefly returned to direct one episode in season 3. Everything else you liked or didn’t like about the show was all down to Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the head writers and show runners.
Also Lost was network TV which would decide whether you got another season based on your ratings for your current season, it was designed to keep people hooked for as long as possible rather than worrying about how it would end, as is the nature for almost all TV dramas.
Which Star Trek film specifically ‘petered out’ or do you mean the reboot franchise in general?
Fringe also network TV that never had huge ratings anyway but kept getting renewed because the show had a cult following. It was lucky to even get an ending but it’s a great show with some fantastic characters and sci-fi twists.
Super 8 yeah it has a clumsy third act that doesn’t entirely emotionally resonate but it’s not so terrible that it ruins the movie for me.
It’s obvious we’ll never agree on his previous work, it is interesting that you’ve had a bad experience with everything J.J has put his name to though whereas I’ve had a complete opposite experience.
Hope you enjoy IX if you go and see it but it seems to me you’ve already made up your mind about it.
Yeah it's incredibly obvious damage control and fan pandering. I can't say I'm not excited to see Lando and Palpatine again though, Ian McDiarmid stole every scene he was in Revenge of the Sith and is really the only entertaining character with any kind of passion in the prequels. Can you imagine if Mark Hamill, Ian McDiarmid and Adam Driver all shared a scene together in IX? It'd be pretty insane but stupidly entertaining.
She'll team up with Kylo Ren and she'll turn out to be a Skywalker. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson went waaaaay too far with the Mary Sue stuff in The Last Jedi, like it literally didn't matter that she hadn't had any training, of course she can hold her own against Snoke's well trained guards and lift all those boulders with ease.
Rian Johnson literally gave Kathy Kennedy everything she ever wanted with Rey and she lapped it up regardless of logic cus the force is female.
Lost aired between 2004 and 2010 and in that time J.J directed Mission Impossible 3, produced Cloverfield, directed Star Trek and started directing Super 8. That was just his movie work, he was executive producer on two other TV shows apart from Lost including Alias (until it ended in 2006) and Fringe (which started in 2008.) Abrams left production of Lost in the hands of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse who came up with the overall mythology of the series themselves, J.J has said himself he had no say in the direction the show went in.
Abrams didn't even write the two Star Trek movies he directed. Any problems with a lack of a "bigger story" you should take up with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Also this was all before Marvel changed the game with The Avengers, no one even knew if a shared cinematic universe could work until that film came out and many studios have tried to have their own shared cinematic universe and failed miserably.
No he has ideas that he gives to other writers to take over (Like Lost) or collaborates with other writers for his movie scripts. The only movie script he's written entirely on his own was Super 8. Also "that's why he always fails to deliver" in what way? Your expectations? Cus every movie he's directed is fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with both critics and audiences scores. He also has solid IMDB ratings for all his directed movies. You don't like his films that's fine, but I'd hardly say he's failed to deliver to general movie going audiences.
The teaser trailer literally opens with Rey igniting her lightsaber and preparing to face off against Kylo Ren in his TIE fighter. The trailer ends with our heroes looking at a fallen piece of the second death star as Luke narrates "No one is ever really gone." The screen cuts to black and we hear Darth Sidious cackling. They're going up against the biggest evil in the galaxy, if that doesn't seem like a final conflict then I don't know what does.
I agree. The prequels were considered disappointing, the special editions were unnecessary, The Force Awakens was a bit derivative of A New Hope but nothing killed the franchise like The Last Jedi did.
It’s a terrible movie to rewatch as well, as the movie relies so much on subverting your expectations (which it can only do once) all the story threads ultimately go nowhere. We have Luke and Rey, on an island, Luke is depressed and doesn’t want to do anything. We have Finn paired up with an unnecessary new character in a plot device chase that goes nowhere, and Poe and Leia in a slow space chase where all they can do is argue and wait to run out of fuel.
It’s a genuine bore outside of Mark Hamill’s performance.
I reckon she’ll be a Skywalker. Keri Russel will play Rey’s mother and Luke’s wife. Force ghost Luke will probably explain it all via flashbacks.
It’s really the only way I can see it justifying Rey being the main protagonist of the final trilogy in the Skywalker saga.
I disagree. J.J Abrams directed the pilot of Lost. That was it. The show was entirely in the hands of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, J.J was a producer with very little input.
Both of his Star Trek movies are two very standalone movies, movies that got him the Star Wars gig in the first place. How is there anything left unresolved in those movies?
He also wrote treatments for Episode VIII and IX and actually had ideas where this trilogy was going before Rian Johnson came along and took things in a different direction.
This is Star Wars, action and adventure is part of it even the concluding film in a trilogy. So Return of the Jedi shouldn’t have had a daring rescue at Jabba’s palace or a speeder bike chase on Endor, no time for adventure we need all resolution?
I’m interested to see what J.J comes up with, just because he hasn’t concluded a film trilogy before doesn’t mean he can’t.
I hope he has actually pulled it off and created a satisfying conclusion to the saga despite Rian almost derailing it.
This is the Rey we should have seen in The Last Jedi. Rian not doing a time jump just made her look like a massive Mary Sue, especially going up against Snoke’s guards and easily lifting all of those rocks.
But yes she looked so awesome in this new trailer and I still hope she’s a Skywalker somehow.
I think he’s been able to cheat death just like he was on about in the opera scene from Revenge of the Sith.
He may have even been Snoke this whole time (would explain the similar dialogue that he had to the Emperor in The Last Jedi)
Heck he could even be a clone. Now if only they could find a way to bring Luke back as well so we can have a Luke v Emperor lightsaber duel.