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Why the Teaser Trailer DOESN'T say anything good about Episode IX

posted 5 years ago by kuku (3510)
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This is the teaser trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzYW5DZoWs

Rei is in the middle of the desert, in a Alien planet. She can go anywhere, do anything, meet anyone. It's just her, a knight with a lightsaber, the adventure begins...

...and yeap, that's the problem.

The teaser is pure JJ Abrahms. He's a genious when it comes to SUGGEST. Far worse when it comes to DELIVER. Here he's doing what he does the best: suggest something, let the possibilities flow. And this would be a great teaser... IF we were talking about the first movie of the trilogy.

It's the third one, though. The third act in the story. The bloody ending. This movie is not supposed to suggest adventure, but to resolve it. To close the story.

Abrahms started storylines in Force Awakens without really planning what to do with them (he said it), then RJ made his Spaceballs movie dismissing the first one, and then Abrahms dismisses the first two ones and seems to go back to the start to suggest (again) storylines as he was doing the first movie instead of what's supposed to be the ending one.

Abrahms always starts, and then he leaves when the end gets messy (cough Lost cough Star Trek cough). Here he's gonna end... well, not really. Third act? what's that? It's much better to play dumb and do what you always do.

This trilogy is gonna make the prequels look good. XD

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

The teaser looks fucking stupid.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

I disagree. If we were talking about a first movie, or a spin-off, it could be nice.

This is A New Hope http://astronoteen.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/584.jpg

This is Episode IX teaser https://www.rollingstone.fr/RS-WP-magazine/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/star-wars-episode-ix-teaser.jpg

Same feeling. Abrahms has cloned the 'Luke in the middle of the desert' scene. But the end of a trilogy is not the place to clone the starting of the old one. He's doing what he knows: starting things, not caring at all about closing the storylines and the story.

The trilogy as a whole coherent story is gonna look like a bad joke.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Why do you consistently spell his name wrong? To pounce on Grammar Nazis like me?

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

Probably I blend 'Abrams' with 'Abraham' without realizing.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

LOL!!! He hasn't cloned Luke in the desert at all. What because there is sand in both shots?

Once again there is ZERO tension with rey, we know she is not in any danger, she is just going to do something awesome and come out the winner even though it's just her vs a big bad fighter ... And to NOBODY'S surprise here she is with the 'omg so cool' cheesy stunt to prove exactly that.

The only saving grace is that perhaps this trailer will have as much to do with the film as the trailer for tfa did..

[–] AP (5260) 5 years ago

Exactly it. JJ Abrams is a good PR guy. He's great at marketing. He likes to wrap up his projects in speculation and mystery but when it comes to showtime, the results are never as exciting as advertised.

I'm surprised people keep falling for it.

[–] TandyMan (10518) 5 years ago

Even the title confirms everything you just said. Rise of the Planet of the Apes is the first one, not the last one.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

My thoughts exactly.

It could make sense if we were talking about a character that has fallen, has learned and become stronger, and finally 'returns' (the 'jedi' in Star Wars, the 'king' in LotR), even 'rises' (the 'dark knight').

But here Mary Sue 'Rey' never fell. She wiped anyone in her path, including the three most powerful jedis of her time (two of them, she defeated them, the third one, she stole under his nose the sacred books he had guarded for years). So... rising? even more? what's next? defeating some god? has Star Wars become a battle shounen?

It seems that this movie is gonna be like a first episode of 'The Story of Rey the Female Empowered Final Chosen Jedi'. And Abrams will do what he always does: start stuff and then leave.

[–] WhereIsRent (1031) 5 years ago

I disagree. J.J Abrams directed the pilot of Lost. That was it. The show was entirely in the hands of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, J.J was a producer with very little input.

Both of his Star Trek movies are two very standalone movies, movies that got him the Star Wars gig in the first place. How is there anything left unresolved in those movies?

He also wrote treatments for Episode VIII and IX and actually had ideas where this trilogy was going before Rian Johnson came along and took things in a different direction.

This is Star Wars, action and adventure is part of it even the concluding film in a trilogy. So Return of the Jedi shouldn’t have had a daring rescue at Jabba’s palace or a speeder bike chase on Endor, no time for adventure we need all resolution?

I’m interested to see what J.J comes up with, just because he hasn’t concluded a film trilogy before doesn’t mean he can’t.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

• "I disagree. J.J Abrams directed the pilot of Lost. That was it. The show was entirely in the hands of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse"

No.

And you can check it yourself. Lost was practically his only project back then. Was his a simple accountant? If you say so.

• "Both of his Star Trek movies are two very standalone movies. How is there anything left unresolved in those movies?"

Being standalone doesn't mean they're not part of a bigger storyline. Marvel movies are standalones movies, and they belong to a bigger storyline.

• "He also wrote treatments for Episode VIII and IX and actually had ideas where this trilogy was going"

No. He had a pile of ideas, as usual. But piled up ideas don't make a good story. That's why he always fails to deliver. Stories are like a clock engine: every piece must fit with the others.

• "action and adventure is part of it even the concluding film in a trilogy. So Return of the Jedi shouldn’t have had a daring rescue at Jabba’s palace or a speeder bike chase on Endor".

When Luke goes to Jabba's palace, he's not going 'on an adventure', as he does in A New Hope, or as Bilbo does in the first Hobbit movie. He has every move planned. The third act of any story is not about the sense of adventure that the teaser tries to convey, but about the final conflict, the resolution, it's where storylines are closed and settled.

[–] WhereIsRent (1031) 5 years ago

Lost aired between 2004 and 2010 and in that time J.J directed Mission Impossible 3, produced Cloverfield, directed Star Trek and started directing Super 8. That was just his movie work, he was executive producer on two other TV shows apart from Lost including Alias (until it ended in 2006) and Fringe (which started in 2008.) Abrams left production of Lost in the hands of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse who came up with the overall mythology of the series themselves, J.J has said himself he had no say in the direction the show went in.

Abrams didn't even write the two Star Trek movies he directed. Any problems with a lack of a "bigger story" you should take up with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Also this was all before Marvel changed the game with The Avengers, no one even knew if a shared cinematic universe could work until that film came out and many studios have tried to have their own shared cinematic universe and failed miserably.

No he has ideas that he gives to other writers to take over (Like Lost) or collaborates with other writers for his movie scripts. The only movie script he's written entirely on his own was Super 8. Also "that's why he always fails to deliver" in what way? Your expectations? Cus every movie he's directed is fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with both critics and audiences scores. He also has solid IMDB ratings for all his directed movies. You don't like his films that's fine, but I'd hardly say he's failed to deliver to general movie going audiences.

The teaser trailer literally opens with Rey igniting her lightsaber and preparing to face off against Kylo Ren in his TIE fighter. The trailer ends with our heroes looking at a fallen piece of the second death star as Luke narrates "No one is ever really gone." The screen cuts to black and we hear Darth Sidious cackling. They're going up against the biggest evil in the galaxy, if that doesn't seem like a final conflict then I don't know what does.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

• "Lost aired between 2004 and 2010 and in that time J.J directed Mission Impossible 3, produced Cloverfield, directed Star Trek and started directing Super 8. he was executive producer on two other TV shows apart from Lost including Alias (until it ended in 2006) and Fringe (which started in 2008.)"

Actually, you're proving my point there. Most of what you've mentioned happened in the second half of Lost. He started Lost, then he left.

• "Abrams didn't even write the two Star Trek movies he directed. Any problems with a lack of a "bigger story" you should take up with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman."

Is that a joke? Abrams is one of those directors with complete creative control. That's like saying that any problem with 'Psycho' had no relation with Hitchcock and should be taken up to Stefano, the screenwriter.

• "Also "that's why he always fails to deliver" in what way? Your expectations?"

Lost started hard while last seasons and ending were shitty. And that's more than 'my' expectations. Star Trek started hard and then it petered out. And that's more than 'my' expectations. Fringe, the same, great starting, then it peters out. Super 8, the same, great first act, shitty third act.

This is a constant in Abrams' work.

[–] WhereIsRent (1031) 5 years ago

He started Lost by coming up with an initial idea with Damon Lindelof and directing the pilot episode. He then briefly returned to direct one episode in season 3. Everything else you liked or didn’t like about the show was all down to Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the head writers and show runners.

Also Lost was network TV which would decide whether you got another season based on your ratings for your current season, it was designed to keep people hooked for as long as possible rather than worrying about how it would end, as is the nature for almost all TV dramas.

Which Star Trek film specifically ‘petered out’ or do you mean the reboot franchise in general?

Fringe also network TV that never had huge ratings anyway but kept getting renewed because the show had a cult following. It was lucky to even get an ending but it’s a great show with some fantastic characters and sci-fi twists.

Super 8 yeah it has a clumsy third act that doesn’t entirely emotionally resonate but it’s not so terrible that it ruins the movie for me.

It’s obvious we’ll never agree on his previous work, it is interesting that you’ve had a bad experience with everything J.J has put his name to though whereas I’ve had a complete opposite experience.

Hope you enjoy IX if you go and see it but it seems to me you’ve already made up your mind about it.

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

You don't need to direct to have creative control. George Lucas didn't write neither directed The Empire Strikes Back.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Eh, the teaser made me want to watch the movie, and see Rey and Old Lando and wherever the hell the story goes. So it's sold at least one movie ticket.

That said... why is Rey attacking a ship that isn't shooting at her?

[–] kuku (3510) 5 years ago

That said... why is Rey attacking a ship that isn't shooting at her?

Who knows? Maybe the pilot said the N-word and she decided to punish that crime with death. Maybe the pilot glanced at her butt, she considered herself micro-raped and decided to punish that crime with death. Maybe the pilot was a white male and she decided to punish that crime with death. Hard to say.

[–] Otter (24464) 5 years ago

Maybe he's a Star Wars "fan" who has devoted his life to complaining about the films, and she was trying to end his suffering?

We'll find out soon enough, or at least I will find out. Gotta see this!