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Red was still tethered so all she could do was mimic the actions of the clone Adelaide above ground for all those years as she slowly went insane. The tethering eventually broke because the experiment was a failure and Red was finally able to organise an escape with the other clones and enact her revenge some 30 years later.
Also the clone Adelaide living above ground repressed the memory of the tunnels and grew up believing she was the real Adelaide. The movie could have done a bit of a better job explaining this and it's definitely a lot to process on first viewing but it's all there.
She says "It was humans that built this place. They created the tethered so they could use them to control the ones above like puppets. But they failed and they abandoned the tethered. For generations the tethered continued without direction. They all went mad down here."
That's the only scrap of information the film gives you about why the doppelgangers were created.
I think that the project was abandoned only a few years before the clones came to the surface. Jason's clone was probably part of the last generation of clones to be made. When the project was abandoned the connection between the clones and the people on the surface was lost and that's when Red started planning her revenge and rallying the other clones to follow her.
At least that's the theory I have. The movie definitely makes you think a lot.
The way David Dunn was killed was atrocious. As a huge fan of Unbreakable it felt like I was being trolled by M. Night. It reminded me of The Last Jedi and how they handled Luke in that movie.
The critics were right on this one. It's not as good as Get Out but it's a very entertaining horror thriller.
1. Probably repressed the memory of it. If you start living someone else's life long enough you probably could convince yourself you are them?
2. They were still tethered. "The soul remains one shared by two." The only reason the clone was able to switch and escape was because the original Adelaide went into the fun house. Some government scientist somebody carelessly left the door to the underground tunnel open one time? I'd say out of all of your points this one has the most potential to be a plot hole.
3. Red said "It was humans that built this place. They created the tethered so they could use them to control the ones above like puppets. But they failed and they abandoned the tethered. For generations the tethered continued without direction. They all went mad down here." So basically evil government mind control experiment with clones that were abandoned and the subjects all just went insane.
4. Red could understand English so maybe she overheard the government scientists talking? The other clones just made noises and weren't taught English.
5. Red says "I didn't just need to kill you. I needed to make a statement that the whole world would see. It's our time now. Our time up there." I think the idea was that once the clone had killed their human double that they then joined the chain. The dead guy being taken into the ambulance when the Wilsons first arrive at Santa Cruz is the homeless guy holding the Jeremiah 11:11 placard. Seems he was murdered by his doppelganger who then went to the beach to take his place in the chain (Jason sees him on the beach with blood dripping from his hands.)
The movie is very weird and ambiguous about a lot of things and leaves the viewer with a lot of questions but it did enough to satisfy rather than frustrate in my opinion. The mystery is always more interesting than the answers anyway.
I disagree that the movie is nonsensical (spoilers ahead) Okay it's slightly questionable that the Wilson's escape by boat and go to the Tyler's house instead of trying to get to a police station but I suppose they are their friends. That scene adds so much to the movie in that the Wilson family work together to overpower the doppelgangers. It's a much needed win for the family at this point and allows a slight breather for the audience after all the suspense. Outside of this there wasn't really anything in the film that I thought was nonsensical. It actually had far less preposterous moments than A Quiet Place and I also really enjoyed that film.
As soon as Umbrae reappears again I thought the movie maintained the tension all the way through to the conclusion, the underground tunnel where the doppelgangers were kept was particularly creepy and unsettling so I disagree that the movie was lacking in tension or suspense. Throw in great acting, an unsettling musical score and some stunning cinematography and you have a horror-thriller that lives up to the hype and expectations set by Get Out.
It’s the little things in this movie that all add up for me as well. The 90’s setting and soundtrack, the cat on the airbase being named after Goose from Top Gun, the chase through the canyon as an homage to Independence Day and Stan Lee’s cameo having him reading the Mallrats script on the bus.
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said. Ben Mendelsohn was also great and stole every scene he was in as he always does.
The Stan Lee version of the Marvel Studios logo was a classy touch as well.
It's definitely a conclusion and I'd be very surprised if they made a fourth one, in fact I hope they don't because the ending is perfect.
Saw the film today at a preview screening in the UK and I think It’s one of the best films of the year. I laughed (a lot) struggled to hold back tears in some scenes and was just all around impressed with how original the story was and how unique and fitting the animation style was, it felt like watching a comic book pop out of the screen with all the heart, humour and fun Spider-Man excells at.
My words honestly can’t do justice to how much I loved this movie, it could have been a complete disaster but is actually the best surprise of 2018. Even if you’re tired of Spider-Man and superhero movies still go and see this movie you will not regret it. I’m going again as soon as I can and I rarely do that with movies these days.
Just my opinion, everyone has different tastes. The effects team did great work as did the sound designers and the actors did well with what they had to work with. It's all let down by a script full of cliches and a director who struggles to even pull off an effective jump scare. Plus I really went in expecting to love it considering the reviews and the trailer, it looked like Wolfenstein the movie. If it weren't for The Nun and The Predator this would be the biggest disappointment of the year for me.
It was definitely better than The Predator and The Nun but this was still a massive disappointment for me considering the reviews and the fantastic trailer.
It definitely attempted to be war movie for a large chunk of the running time which was a huge mistake considering the characters have little depth. I expected a full on insane genre mashup like the trailer promised. Instead I got a poor effort at emulating an episode of Band of Brothers that then dipped it's toe into the horror genre. There just simply wasn't enough of it and the film needed to be more self-aware and laughing at itself a bit more if it couldn't deliver real scares. Very little in this movie gets the adrenaline flowing apart from the opening scene and I expected to have way more fun with the film overall. They've made a film about Nazi zombies and it still somehow commits the cardinal sin of being boring.
This season was outstanding. Daredevil has always been leaps and bounds better than the other Marvel/Netflix shows and the fights here outdid season 1 and 2 and the story was compelling that it made it an easy and enjoyable binge watch which I haven't felt about any of these Marvel/Netflix shows since, well, Daredevil season 2.
Can definitely tell they really took their time plotting out the major story beats as it had a really strong narrative through line, was definitely worth the 2 and a half year wait. Wilson Fisk is also the best live action Marvel villain I've ever seen apart from Thanos. It'll probably never happen but Vincent D'Onofrio and Charlie Cox deserve Emmy or Golden Globe nominations for their work in my opinion, their final conversation in the season finale after their fight was fantastic. I honestly can find very little wrong with this season (maybe the Karen flashback was a bit unnecessary) it's the best TV I've seen all year and I think honestly one of the best seasons of anything Netflix have ever produced.
Roll on season 4 and more Bullseye, I do feel they've made it difficult for themselves to outdo this season though by succeeding this hard with it.
I really wanted to like this movie as well but agree with everything you've said. The first act was complete garbage and then when Venom finally turns up after the overlong motorcycle chase it really felt like the movie hurried towards it's conclusion. Felt like a good chunk of the movie was missing. I was reminded of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in that the movie didn't seem to flow at all and couldn't get that balance between seriousness and lightheartedness. The movie is just devoid of anything memorable or special and was definitely in need of a better script.