looks to make this Disney's third money-loser of the year.
shareHasn't been marketed very strongly. I think they knew this was no money maker.
shareHasn't been marketed very strongly.
I have a feeling kids movies clear massive bank no matter what. With streaming and home sales and all that crap. The theater end probably isn't a huge concern to the studios. Parents buy their kids anything and everything just to keep em busy. Unless you have a potential mega film, why waste the coin.
shareIt makes me sad. ☹️. I wish this movie would do so much better bc it deserves so much better! Yeah it has a predictable plot and it's simple but that's not the point. It's charming and has a great message and they created the characters voices and personalities perfectly! ☺️
shareGreenleaf...I share your sadness. It deserved to do much better but Disney misfires at the box-office as much as it hits and their budgets are always expensive. Considering how Winnie the Pooh is just not a global force, there was no rational reason for Disney to have spent this much money.
sharehey queen....got a question....your quite good at finding "Budgets" and finding out if a film has been "Co financed" as you get desperate when films you like flop and you then look for ways to try and save face....
I was hoping you might know or could find some info on "Mile 22"....I looked and couldnt find any info on its budget or if its been co financed...
I was looking forward to this film at first, but have lost interest....with it getting awful reviews and now is struggling at the box office, I just want to find some info on it....This is the 3rd film in a row with Peter Berg Directing and Walberg starring to struggle....I'm not sure why they keep going back to this well..
Lone Survivor did ok....but Deepwater Horizon, Patriots Day and now Mile 22 have all struggled.....
Patriots Day lost Money and flopped
Deepwater Horizon Had a ridiculous 110 Million + budget, ended up flopping bad and losing a ton
I think this continued pairing of Berg and Walberg is extremely odd considering they've had pretty universal failure....
Sorry bill, I've got nothing.
shareDamn shame about Patriots Day. I thought it was excellent and even deserved a Best Picture nom.
Mile 22 was pretty bad though. Peter Berg was off his game there.
Currently at 70m ww
Not good
It ended up at $197 million.
If it didn't end up in the profit zone from its theatrical run, then I'm pretty sure it did (or will) once home video sales and rentals, TV rights and merchandising is factored in.
I just finished it and it deserved every penny it earned, and then some. Wonderful film.
Most people, me included, hate Winnie Pooh.
For a reason.
It has grossed 70M so far. With good legs, it could reach 100M by the end. A 75m budget movie that makes 100M domestically is successful regardless of its international marks. Christopher Robin will sell toys and blurays very well for years into the future.
Look at the first 2-star trek movies. they only made around 400M World Wide but since they made 200M+ domestically they were considered a hit even with a 150-200M budget. Shoot even Trek 3 with a 350M Worldwide was considered a modest success due to it's 150M domestically at least enough that they are seriously considering making a 4th.
1) This won't get close to 100 million domestically. Will probably top out around 80 million.
2) Pooh films do not play well internationally. This looks like it may only reach 50 million overseas best case giving it a worldwide gross of 130 million. It needs at least 200-210 million to break even depending on the marketing costs.
3) Films that hardly anyone sees do not generate "toy sales".
4)In regards to Blu-ray sales see #3.
3) Films that hardly anyone sees do not generate "toy sales".
1) This won't get close to 100 million domestically. Will probably top out around 80 million.
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Good call queen....lol
already at 85 Million domestically, Heading toward at total gross between 96 to 100 MILLION+ domestically...
Bottom Line its either going to TOP 100 M+ domestically or get extremely close, either way YOU LOSE and were wrong...
in the future, when trolling on DISNEY, Be Specific..." won't get close" was the mistake you made.
You should have simply predicted IT WILL OR WONT....You should have said "This won't Make 100 million domestically. Will probably top out around 80 million."
at least here you would have a small CHANCE on being right, as its at least possible it might end up grossing 97, 98 or 99 M domestically...but because you ADDED "It WONT GET CLOSE"....now you have no way of being right because, 97, 98, or 99 MILLION is if fact "VERY CLOSE" to 100 M
ALSO you got to start paying attention to cinemascores....as This film received an "A" cinemascore which should have been your first clue it could have pretty great legs domestically and either top 100 M or get very close, just a thought for your future trolling...
2) Pooh films do not play well internationally. This looks like it may only reach 50 million overseas best case giving it a worldwide gross of 130 million. It needs at least 200-210 million to break even depending on the marketing costs.
OK Next,
at this point its IMPOSSIBLE for you to claim the film is Not AT LEAST going to BREAK EVEN....
Its going to end somewhere between 96 to 100 Million domestically...Disney gets at Least 50% of that,which is 50 M....its worth noting, While Studios Usually get 50% of the domestic gross, Disney is probably going to get 55 to 60% from CR, because its made most of its money from GOOD Legs, again Studios gets a BIGGER % after OPENING WEEKEND...since CR opened to 25 MILLION(Disney probably got 50% of that) and has now been getting 55 to 60% of its domestic gross ....
So with a total gross between 95 to 100 M....Disney is going to get AT LEAST 50 Million, Probably 55 to 60 MILLION
Next CR has currently made 45 Million Overseas, Which Disney get 40 to 50% of...So thats 22 Million ish...
With at least 4 major markets to open in overseas, and over 10 total.....Its entirely possible CR has another 50 to 75 Million left to make overseas....
So right now, Disney has made between 50 to 60 Million from its 95 to 100 Million eventual total domestic gross.
between 20 to 22 Million from its 45 M overseas gross...
thats Between 70 to 82 Million total Disney has/Will Make made
The Budget is between 70 to 75 M(But lets assume 75 M)
if the film does NOT ,make another cent, Disney is AT LEAST breaking even.
But With Major Markets overseas left to open in....theres probably 50 to 75 Million more coming, and YOU MAY want to ignore Blu Ray sales because it Hurt your stance that the film is a Flop, but believe Disneys not going to Ignore them, reality is the film should net Disney around 15 to 25 Million from HOme Media...
So that at least another 25 to 37 Million Disney Will net from Overseas Grosses and between 15 to 25 Million from Home Media in over the next few years...
Bottom Line, at this point its IMPOSSIBLE for you to make the case CR is a flop....ONCE again you jumped the gun and prematurely made a TROLL thread...
This film is guaranteed to AT LEAST break even and Maybe make as much as a 25 MILLION+ profit..
Hilariously Its extremely likely to even Match YOUR OWN Break even Point of 200 to 210 M WW and Will easily DESTROY your 80 Million TOPS domestically prediction...
again there are some lessons here...
Of course #1 just stop trolling, YOU are terrible at it and are always WRONG
#2 Will you even learn to stop JUMPING the gun and making premature trolls threads that fail
#3 Be Specific, It gives you a better chance of being right...saying "Wont even get CLOSE" was your downfall, you'd at least have a small chance of being right if you spe
cifically stated IT WILL NOT TOP 100 M domestically
#4 dont give any World Wide Predictions, YOU are always wrong, especially dont set a "Breaking Even" point that is reachable, Lol ....when you set 200 MILLION as a break even point, the film was currently at 130 Million WW.....this was a huge mistake, The ONLY possible reason I can think of is, YOU did NOT KNOW it still had Major Markets to open in OVERSEAS....With at least 4 major and 10 overall Market left to still open in Overseas, Its almost beyond comprehension that You couldnt see this film earning another 70 Million, YOU LITERALLY just had to NOT KNOW it still had markets to open in...which brings us to number 5
#5 do research, make sure the film your trolling and setting A Break even point for DOES NOT still have Major Markets to Open in that will result in the film reaching your "Break Even" Point...you just made this same mistake With AM2
#6 Pay attention to Audience reactions and Cinemascores, With An "A" Cinemascore it was extremely likely CR would have good to legs domestically
#7 do research on similar films....CR opened to 24.5 Million and had An "A" cinemascore....Looking up the history of films with A cinemascores opening around 24 to 25 Million...You would have SEEN DOZENS that easily topped the 80 Million make and Many that even topped 100 MILLION domestically.....you just literally Threw out "NOPE no chance at 100 M, It Will top out at 80 M" without even given it a seconds thought or doing any research..lol again you just made the same mistake with AM2....
You made a troll thread predicting AM2 would Not Match AM1s 180 Million domestic gross.....the problem was, had you just done ANY research, you would have seen theres NEVER BEEN A film in box office history open over 75 Million million that Did NOT TOP 180 Million domestically....YOU LITERALLY predicted the IMPOSSIBLE....not 1 film in history had ever done what you were predicting....every films in history that opened to at least 75 M went on to make at least 180 MILLION +.....these are just PATHETIC mistakes to make when TROLLING.....I actually somewhat can respect GOOD TROLLING....But My god, Your TROLLING TRULY does not even make sense, theres is zero thought, You just throw shit against the wall and NOTHING STICKS....You make Trolls threads and predictions that Truly have no chance of ever happening, You Predict these that have never Happened in Box office history...
lol anyways just a few tips...lol your somehow getting worse.....
3. Films that hardly anyone sees do not generate "toy sales"
Yeah... cuz Winnie the Pooh has never been a big toy seller. Right
Then add in this is the largest gross Pooh movie ever.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=winniethepooh.htm
Dude. Just don't post anymore.
Lol...unadjusted for inflation and by far the most expensive pooh film ever made at 75 million production budget alone.
Still tens of millions in the red.
No... even after adjusted. Read the whole page and think before you post next time.
shareThe only pooh film to ever end up tens of millions in the red, regardless.
shareJudging success from previous films over the past years I would confidently bet against that statement.
shareExplain to me how it's not tens of millions in the red? 75 million budget + 75-100 million marketing/distribution cost would indicate that the breakeven point would be in the 250 million range.
It's currently at 153 million with its 2 biggest potential markets(U.S. and U.K.) already wrapped up.
First off I highly doubt they spent 75-100M in marketing. Any evidence for that figure? Typically a movie(A non toy seller) is required to double it's budget in total gross to break even. Budget 75M Gross 155M and counting.
Costs 125M Total
75M Budget
50M Marketing (Much more reasonable marketing is typically 50-100% of the production budget.
Opening 25M Disney gets 80-100% of their openings 20M
Non Open DOM 70M Disney Gets 50-75% of Domestic Gross 45.5M
Foreign Gross 60M Disney Get 25-50% of Foreign Gross 24M
Domestic Dvd/Bluray Sales predicted 23M based on Ferdinand 2017 50% 11M
Foreign DVD/Bluray Sales Predicted 23M 30% 7M
Rental Redbox PPV Plane any other stream rev Round Estimate 10M
TV Rights First and 2nd Run Estimate 10M
Merchandise: Cars 1 and 2 made over 8 Billion 100M-500M 50% 50-250M
Total Rev:177.5-377.5M
Total Profit: 52.5-252.5M ( And that's just the first year in release)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/disney-cars-has-crossed-8-99438
Prove me wrong
Explain to me how it's not tens of millions in the red? 75 million budget + 75-100 million marketing/distribution cost would indicate that the breakeven point would be in the 250 million range.
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Aww....queen had to "Move The Goal Posts" because you were getting scared....
lol In an earlier post, You specifically said the "Break Even Point" was 200 to 210 Million....
Sorry queen, but you cant move the goal posts, when you give a specific Dollar amount for the film to break even.....once you did that you were locked in.....You were either going to be right or wrong....
lol instead you showed your extremely desperation and Literally disregarded your OWN Words and Moved the goal posts to a new dollar amount....
Epic fail!
you do remember what I'm talking about right?-
[–] QueenFanUSA (1063) 3 months ago
1) This won't get close to 100 million domestically. Will probably top out around 80 million.
2) Pooh films do not play well internationally. This looks like it may only reach 50 million overseas best case giving it a worldwide gross of 130 million. It needs at least 200-210 million to break even depending on the marketing costs.
PS good call on CR topping out at 80 M and NOT getting close to 100 M...lolollololololololololololololololololol
It's has been given plenty of TV spots at prime time indicating the film is aimed at older viewers who've grown up with their favorite Pooh Bear. Marketing, Disney's probably thinking long-term at this point.
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