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Is this the best cbm/superhero movie ever


What say you?

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I'm in agreement. For me, it's because it's as much a family drama as an action movie, with this dysfunctional quasi-family unit (Dad, Gramps, and the Youngster) on a road trip trying to learn to exist together. It's also about aging and true heroism in the face of darkness, and it centres character over "plot" (if that makes sense). It puts the stakes in place and the action scenes always serve the story. It's well-shot, well-performed, and well-worth watching.

Similar reasons for you?

I'm also a big fan of Dick Tracy (super underrated), Burton's Batman films, Watchmen (with some reservations), The Crow, and Joker. My exact top 10 Superhero Films would shift, though, from day to day.

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Well I agree its very much unlike anything else and The Crow is most in line with it in terms of story and presentation. Its rated R and there is not much else to compare it to. James Mangold is and continues to be a very strong and capable director. The other thing I very much like about this one is that it has heart. A lot of heart and I very much like that about it. I do like to watch all cbm/superhero films and most are entertaining but this one is different, in a good way. It really stands out as Wolverine is given something to really care about on a personal level.

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I find I'm drawn to superhero movies that have something to say on their own terms. So many of them these days are just building blocks in franchise walls, and it's dull watching something like Doctor Strange, knowing that they're only introducing him so they can add another Avenger to the next movie. Or like Andrew Garfield's Spider-man movies that were just so Sony wouldn't lose its copyright claims on the character.

I don't need them to be R. Dick Tracy's pretty tame (although there are some parts that would be intense for kids), but it's right up there. I like that they let this, Deadpool, and Joker be R because that's what the material calls for, but if the material is more something like Batman or Superman, they can just be what they are. (Not that Batman couldn't go R...)

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Top 5 for me.

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Right on.

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The Dark Knight. This movie was a fantasy that had nothing to do with the real world.

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Neither does a film about a rich orphan with PTSD who dresses like a bat and skulks around on rooftops.

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No, there are several I'd put above it. I've seen Logan two, maybe three times. I enjoyed it but I've no desire to see it again. There are several others I've watched a heckuva lot more times than that, and will continue to.

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It's top 5 for me, The Dark Knight is tops for me, it's just another level.

It's how damn emotional the film that gets you. The trailer they did with Johnny Cash's Hurt also is one of the best trailers ever done. The heart of the film also gets you, you don't expect that from Wolverine film. Jackman delivers his greatest performance as Logan, seen him broke down and near death is hard to take as he's always been this super strong badass character. Also Patrick Stewart's Professor X wasn't expecting such a downbeat take on his character and ending. You get the violence and bad lanuage you always wanted from a Wolverine film, but it's the more mature tone to the film and how it deals with mutants in this one really hits hard.

Dafne Keen is also great as Laura, like a little mini Wolverine.

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No, that would be Batman Begins.
Followed by Spiderman 2, Iron Man, The First Avenger, etc.

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Not really. It's decent enough, sure, but hardly left much of an impression.

Honestly, Logan seems to be one of those movies that simply came and went. But when it came, it really came.

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That’s a good point, and in retrospect it’s kinda woke - let’s kill off another beloved straight white male hero, and humiliate and kill legendary straight white grandpa while we’re at it, as well as kill off white male comedy sidekick… while elevating a new strong empowered young female character who ‘takes over’ at the end.

I enjoyed the film on release and bought the blu-ray but haven’t had a great desire to watch it again, and now that it looks to be another example of woke ‘creative destruction’ the idea of subjecting myself to it again isn’t appealing.

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Well, MARVEL Jesus in the form of Wade Wilson is about to correct this I suppose?? 😂

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Yes, the trailer for Deadpool & Wolverine looks great, but I suspect it’ll be an ‘alternate timeline’ rather than an overwrite.

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Unbreakable for me, but this one is up there.

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Unbreakable is an incredible movie! I love that one and I can't believe I forgot about it when I made my list - jeez, I guess 2 years ago.

Did you like the sequels? I enjoyed them, too. I liked Unbreakable far more than either Split or Glass, but I still really like M. Night Shayamalan's superhero saga as a whole. I think I'd watch more of it, too, if he decided to keep pursuing the ongoing mythology he's creating.

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