I guess today's generation of young men can't handle heist movies, spy thrillers, detective films, crime dramas, satirical comedies, war films, coming of age stories or rom-coms. Gotta keep cranking out these manbaby movie reboot films designed for 12 year old boys trapped inside of 40 year old male bodies.
shareDo you consider Keaton's Batman (he was 37 when they filmed it) and Bale's Batman (He was 34) "man baby" movies as well? Pattinson's 35 so he's in the same age range as Michael and Christian too.
shareTim Burton's Batman? Not at all. The whole point of that movie was to rescue the comics away from the campy 1960s TV show and modernize it for a new generation. It was not meant to be seen as a replacement for "mature" movies but more as escapist entertainment. It's no different than when Richard Donner shot Superman for a new generation that was different from the one that grew up with the George Reeves version.
It just seems like the latest wave of comic book movies are being done for the sake of men who are not mature to graduate to the type of "dark and gritty" material that CBMs are now covering. If they want dark themes of vigilantism, crime, blood 'n guts, grit, etc., why not demand more film noir, crime drama, sci-fi, etc.)? Instead of putting out these live action Saturday morning cartoons that have the pretense of being "mature" but are no less childish in plot and characters.
Most of the current batch of Super Hero flicks are hyper-demographically marketed to younger audiences. Even the non-humanoid Super Heroes like the Godzilla flicks downplay the male lead and instead opt for an ensemble cast of young and very attractive adults followed by cutesy preteens and sage-like older characters. There's absolutely no goal to achieve a sense of realism to them.
"Joker" is probably the only comic book movie that speaks to your point but I don't think you can replicate that level of narrative with a Batman, Superman, Spiderman, or even Hulk as their pretense has been hijacked by Action/Adventure not to duality of humanity's soul.
What the fuck is a man-baby movie reboot and why are Burton's Batman and Donner's Superman exempt?
share"...heist movies, spy thrillers, detective films, crime dramas, satirical comedies, war films, coming of age stories or rom-coms."
They're still making those other movies.
Jeez, you must be a blast at cocktail parties.
I'm 40, and I love all the genres you listed, but I will still always get excited for the next Caped Crusader flick. And yes, my inner-child plays a huge part in that excitement.
Save your shaming tactics for someone else, Debbie Downer.
Oh, no! I'm attacking the 15,000th incarnation of Batman to come down the pike! Why can't I embrace this ONE movie after 40 years of this bullshit? What a Debbie Downer I am!
shareI have to agree with the OP here. While I don't quite agree with their characterization of this film's target audience I see their point. It would be nice to get more films like Joker. DCEU failed because it tried to just copy what MCU was doing. Even worse WB thought they could just skip all of the work that was put into MCU's earlier phases. It didn't work. Instead of a batman trilogy, why not three very different stand-alone batman movies? Batman '89 was so good because it was so different. Superhero movies feel more and more the same lately, regardless of what movie or studio. It would be refreshing to see a batman movie that had more investigation than action. Would it make as much money as Endgame? of course not. Would it be profitable? of course it would
NO ,YOU ARE NOT ATTACKING THE 15,00TH INCARNATION OF BATMAN...YOU ARE CLEARLY ATTACKING THE REGULAR HUMAN BEINGS WHO WANT TO OR WILL SEE IT.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO GROW UP A LITTLE BIT.🙂
NitroHangover's post was just an attack on the OP. What did they expect the OP to respond with?
shareI WAS REFERRING TO THE ORIGINAL POST.
sharePfffff, I didn't "attack" her. SHE attacked and insulted an entire "generation of men" who love Batman, for some reason. And that generation of men included me. I didn't like that, and basically just pointed out that she's kind of a prissy killjoy, which she is. Sue me.
share"Jeez, you must be a blast at cocktail parties."
"Save your shaming tactics for someone else, Debbie Downer."
Pfffff, aside from a brief description of yourself, that's your whole post. You're definitely going after the user instead of their argument. Minababe24 was just as confrontational in their original post though so they had it coming. I never stated a position on any of that. I think you have every right to say what you did and so did Minababe24. My comment was directed at Kowalski for criticizing Minababe24's response to you.
"Jeez, you must be a blast at cocktail parties."
"Save your shaming tactics for someone else, Debbie Downer."
aside from a brief description of yourself, that's your whole post.
"I'm 40, and I love all the genres you listed, but I will still always get excited for the next Caped Crusader flick. And yes, my inner-child plays a huge part in that excitement."
There are four statements here. It's brief. All of them are about you.
Yes, and all of them addressed her attempted shaming of 40 year old men who love Batman as "man-babies", and her accusation that 40 year old men who love Batman "can't handle" a dozen other genres of film.
shareI agree that the description speaks to the original post. You like batman as well as those other genres, but to sell your point, you have to dispel the notion of being a man-baby. Shaming Minababe24 in return doesn't exactly help your cause.
sharebut to sell your point, you have to dispel the notion of being a man-baby.No, I really don't. Batman has been a loved character since 1939. I'm 40, and my GRANDFATHER loved Batman until he died. He wasn't a man-baby. The original, unprovoked accusation against a "generation of men" being man-babies because they love Batman, is the problem.
Shaming Minababe24 in return doesn't exactly help your cause.
Don't assume that because Hollywood thinks it, that it reflects on us, the viewers at all.
I'm open to this film and hopefully. But I love a good heist movie, spy thriller, detective film, satirical comedy, coming of age story or, even some rom-coms, if htey have a sci fi or fantasy twist.
Hollywood is so screwed up... they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Correct analysis.
I’m somewhat disappointed in Pattinson for stooping to a (yawn) superhero flick when he was doing interesting stuff with David Cronenberg not long ago.
When you look at the cinema landscape of the 70s-00s (and obviously before) you get a wide range of genres in theatres.. just anything goes.. Westerns, War, gangster, scifi, horror, romcoms, musicals, historical pics, spies, you know it all you don't need me to tell you. and now and then a genre would explode (due to an instantly iconic hit film like Dr No, Star Wars, Halloween etc) and then that genre would sort of dominate the era/decade for abit with all kinds of rip offs on what started it (some rips offs becoming just as successful or even eclipsing the one that started it) before laying dormant, then might resurge again years later (e.g. big historical epics Braveheart/Gladiator).. and obviously the big series/franchises continue on whatever happens (Bond, SW, Indy etc)
Yet now and the last decade it seems to be predominantly superhero films and often those many genres are adapted into a specific superhero film (e.g. Raiders style WW2 - Captain America, 70s conspiracy thriller - Winter Soldier etc)..
Where once superhero/comic strip films were the occasional 'treat' (the Superman and Batmans of the 70s-90s, the Xmen & Spidermans of the 00s etc) they are now seemingly the be all and end all of modern day cinema, endless never ending storylines almost like TV series, and mcu even inspiring other series to go 'shared universe' .. (in contrast to the previous superhero films which were more standalone/sequels unto themselves)
Its like the substantial 'meals' of yesterdays cinema films has given way to endless bags of Haribo of the superhero age .. Of course too much of a sweet thing usually ends up in sickness..
Yet now and the last decade it seems to be predominantly superhero films and often those many genres are adapted into a specific superhero film (e.g. Raiders style WW2 - Captain America, 70s conspiracy thriller - Winter Soldier etc)..
Where once superhero/comic strip films were once the occasional 'treat' (the Superman and Batmans of the 70s-90s, the Xmen & Spidermans of the 00s etc) they are now seemingly the be all and end all of modern day cinema, endless never ending storylines almost like TV series, and mcu even inspiring other series to go 'shared universe' .. (in contrast to the previous superhero films which were more standalone/sequels unto themselves)
actually i shouldve said 'never ending storylines like a TV soap opera' as thats the never ending series..
yeah maybe the cinematic universe thing is a way to kill the other franchises (or make them pathetically try to keep up - Mummy/Dark Universe), almost like audiences wont now be invested in a series unless theres umpteen spin offs continuing the storyline over the course of 15 movies with about 10 different (super)heroes all collecting some jewel/mcguffin that can be used to defeat the unstoppable villain in the super duper team up movie where they all run at the lead villains cgi army of 8ft alien monsters (one of which would make a person shit their pants and die of shock if they were real world, but a comic strip ninja woman in black leather can defeat it with some hair whiplash and a mean face look to camera whilst adopting a kung fu pose)
also they made the non superhero movies try to be like superhero origin movies (that always fail) - King Arthur, Robin Hood, Tarzan etc and even seeping into the established stuff - Rise of Skywalker was trying to be like Endgame. and the last Star Trek movie was originally supposed to feature Shatner returning as Kirk in a timelines plot was scrapped for being 'too star trek' in favour of being more like Guardians/Marvel
also they made the non superhero movies try to be like superhero origin movies (that always fail) - King Arthur, Robin Hood, Tarzan etc and even seeping into the established stuff - Rise of Skywalker was trying to be like Endgame. and the last Star Trek movie was originally supposed to feature Shatner returning as Kirk in a timelines plot was scrapped for being 'too star trek' in favour of being more like Guardians/Marvel
Your links to Zenescope books display your ignorance. Zenescope is a mid-level (or less) publisher, at best. There are better books and better publishers out there, without all the sexual content.
As for fighting someone else's "culture" until you die? That sounds much more like YOU have the problem, and NOT the readers of comics.
Your links to Zenescope books display your ignorance. Zenescope is a mid-level (or less) publisher, at best. There are better books and better publishers out there, without all the sexual content.
As for fighting someone else's "culture" until you die?
Whatever. I have been a comics fan since age 3, and I'm in my 50's now. It's not a new thing. Just go in peace, and dig into something you like. Because digging into something you hate again and again and again will eat you alive, man.
shareYou sound fucking retarded tbh
shareDid you know I was the one that supported you on your No Time to Die thread: https://moviechat.org/tt2382320/No-Time-to-Die/60b844bff96b0b380a3f7ad1/Must-Bond-Continue-Being-a-WHORE?reply=60b99f75c796646a2163bb6f
Since I "sound retarded," I deleted my comments on that thread. You obviously don't need my support there, since "sounding retarded," I would've hurt your case there. 🤣
I don't care lol. I only made that thread to antagonize the people here who constantly whine about SJWs. I don't actually care if anyone supports my position because it was an exaggerated position
There are never not going to be Batman movies. If the franchise survived Batman & Robin and Batman v. Superman then we can assume it is unkillable. You are wasting your time and energy fretting over this
Yes, superhero movies have crowded out much more interesting genres. So what? No one can change this. Spielberg, Cameron, Coppola, Scorsese, etc. have all decried this phenomenon and yet it's only accelerating
It isn't the fault of "man babies", it's the fault of everybody. These movies don't regularly rake in billions just because of geeks, they seem to appeal to the broadest possible audience: men, women, children, etc.
If you want to assign blame, blame it on our soulless, superficial Western culture