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maybe it's possible women don't make movies men want to see?


after this releases and fails, there will be the typical back lash "Men suck, and they dont watch OUR movies" blah blah blah.

yeah... because the movie sucks. ever consider that possibility REMOTELY? AT ALL?

there's a lot of external stink over this movie, and a lot of bad reviews, and a noisy director spouting off already. OK, KAREN. WE GET IT: you're female, thus ENTITLED to praise....

....I don't think so.

Maybe women (directors and writers) just aren't as good at making films men want to pay to see.

This film interested me, until I heard what director was saying - strike ONE! then the bad reviews - Strike TWO! Finally, I found a spoiler - SEEETRIKE THREE YER OUTTA HERE! Been there done that, don't need a NEW version barfing about men and patriarchy. yadda yadda no thanks. Also warning all my male friends to NOT support it with ticket purchases.

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I want to see this and there’s lots of other films by female directors that I liked.

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and this film?

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I’m looking forward to seeing this.

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I WAS... not now

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Same here. I'm a bit frustrated that all this random drama is going to make ppl dislike the film for no reason lol. I hope it's good.

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The Hurt Locker has entered the chat.

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Tbh I found that movie boring. I did enjoy Point Break back in my youth though.

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I knew a lot of people who were in Iraq war 2, they said it was pretty damn accurate.

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Oh I'm not doubting the authenticity, I just personally didn't find it a very engaging story. It's in no way a bad movie though.

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It had Falcon and Hawkeye in it, that made it entertaining.

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I'd actually forgotten Mackie was in it! Like I said I can see it's a well made movie, good actors and cinematography. I just couldn't get engaged in it but that's a me issue.

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I can understand that..there’s movies that sometimes get fantastic reviews I’ll watch and wonder what’s the reason for it being so popular I couldn’t see it.

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I don't know anyone who actually liked it. all feedback I got was negative. yeah, well made, never need to see again.
I do watch Private Ryan yearly, and Black Hawk Down every few years... countless other modern war flicks, much much higher rated, much more entertaining, better MOVIES than Hurt locker

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yeah, after hearing so much about Hurt Locker, I watched and it didn't care for it all all. I want to be entertained, not watch "accurate"

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Horses for courses really, I'm sure plenty of people enjoyed it. I just wasn't one of them. Maybe giving it another go in a different frame of mind would yield different results as I'm not averse to a slow burn serious drama.

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Bigelow also did Zero Dark 30 which was a cool movie in my opinion

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TO ME, honestly.... I did not care for this one either. Something just bored me. I didn't analyze it, just found it dull. And I usually like most modern warfare movies. but everyone is different

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I didn’t like Bigelow’s “war” movies either. Like you mentioned, she’s a real director & the movies are very well made but I just wasn’t into the subject matter. I’ll always hold a soft spot for “Near Dark” though.

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nothing relevant to add about THIS film concept, plot, production?

ok, thanks for playing!

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It was directed by a woman dumbass.

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yes, it was directed by a dumbass woman, good call. :)

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You titled the thread “ maybe it's possible women don't make movies men want to see?”

Hurt Locker….directed by a woman, won Oscars, great flick, men loved it….making your thread title irrelevant…

Anything else you want thrown in your face to make it more obvious you FUCKING retard?

Shall I add Big and A League of their Own, directed by Penny Marshall, a WOMAN?

Wonder Woman..directed by…a WOMAN.

American Psycho….one of the great cult movies…directed by…A WOMAN.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High…holy shit..directed by…A WOMAN



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"you FUCKING retard?"

aaaaand I win!

thanks for playing. :)

yes, there have been a few films that worked, care to quote percentages for modern feminazi films? didn't think so. the door is over there....
might want to get some pills for getting triggered so easy

(see... I can do this without NEEDING to resort to name calling, like a 6 year old child)

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Keep trying dumbass…you stated “ maybe it's possible women don't make movies men want to see?”

This means if ONE woman makes a movie a man wants to see then your statement is irrelevant.

I listed six movies directed by women that men like. Doesn’t matter if it’s one, six, or six thousand…it made your thread title irrelevant.

Just like you.

Come back when you’ve taken a basic logic class you fucking mongoloid.

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you're new on the internet aren't you.

would like some of this popcorn? it's pretty good.

weird someone would take time to reply on an irrelevant thread... guess people need hobbies.
Carry on ...like a child! :)

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Bye dumbass you’re so stupid you can’t even see your own flawed logic

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wait, who's calling people a fucking mongoloid?

maybe approach me again after you hit puberty. otherwise, you don't bring anything valid to the adult table.
you won't be missed. :)

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Women are by and large incapable of telling a story. They have the have to pour themselves into it and make it some mental extension of their own psychosis.

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"you are a misogynist, toxic male blah blah blah" totally kidding. i think you are right

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How many successful mediocre MALE directors are there? Not all of us hate women and think their only place is in the kitchen, hun.

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HATE women? what the fuck... are you aware I am discussing a MOVIE here made by a women? have you followed her shenanigans? reading what is going on? you thinking whatever you like about me doesn't make it true. just in your world.

On topic, look at real world percentages of success verses not per capita of male vs female directors. you dont even need to dig very deep

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Is this the first scandal-ridden movie ever? Oh, because it was directed by a woman, then you single it out to say women aren't capable.

Since you like to bring up percentages to try to make a point, how about you mention how many more times men get hired? A little variable you don't mention.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

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percentage of successful men verses percentage of successful women. perhaps I use the term percapita wrong?

lets say there are 1000 men directors with 60% being successful, and 100 women directors and 20% of them were successful. based on percentage, as an investor, where would your logic tell you to put your money into?

I'm singling out the warped idea that women are just as good as men at this game when the stats CLEARLY say that isn't truth. YES, there have been successes - and I enjoy many of those films, the first wonder women, even Aeon Flux.

There's more men in this field than women BECAUSE less women are interested. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER FIELD:
there's less women car mechanics. shouldn't we even that out?
less women in high tech stuff. let's get that equalized.
less women in outdoor construction. Why? they are not interested. and that is fair.
Same with movie stuff.
They don't get a pass because there is less of them, they EARN the respect just like anyone else. So, far, it's not going great.

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The reality is women and men are not alike, they are not only different physically but also mentally. Their is a reason that the vast majority of women that direct movies don't direct the same types of movies that men do. Same thing goes with female writers, your typical female writer is going to write a different story than your typical male writer. Not saying one is inherently better than the other because that would be comparing apples to oranges... but it isn't surprising that a male would be more likely to enjoy a movie made by a male than it would be for them to enjoy one made by a woman. It is simply a matter of preference.

What Hollywood has failed to do is accept that which movie is picked on a Friday night is in large part dominated by male decisions which means if you want to make money you don't hire female directors making movies like Sleepless in Seattle.

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^ this person gets it.
yes, we are very different! I always wondered how many woman actually long to see all these power women, action films? like WW84 and 355, and all these women spy films. feels like probably a very low percentage - yet they keep popping them out, expecting a different outcome? weird.
then they bark at men for not showing up. so dumb. make a great movie and we are all over it! the proof is in the receipts.

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Friday night movies are picked by men? How did you come to that conclusion?

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numerous marketing research studies state it. It has been slowly changing since the 1990's but overall the males dominate the decisions on which movies are seen.

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they want to change it by proving women can make great movies for men AND women. it's just not working out, so far. we cant FORCE everyone and everything to be equal. that is insane, stupid, and a pointless waste of time.

"well... if we'd LET women make more flims...." Who's stopping them?? It's a free world. What's stopping them is the cost of investments, and no one wants to dump millions into failing endeavors. yes it's a bit of a catch 22, but it's improving. probably never be EQUAL though.

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I mean, can I have a link to one of these many articles, google didn’t help.

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I think that there are different types of movies. Some will appeal to some people and some will appeal to others. I think it's ridiculous to assume that all men like the same types of movies, or all women as well.

Perhaps some women directors are choosing to make movies which are more cerebral and not appeal to all people. There are a lot of male directors who do not have mass appeal, but we don't signal out all men as having movies that women don't want to watch.

So you aren't happy with things Wilde has said. That's fine. How does that correlate to women making films men don't want to see?

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I'm male... I WANTED to see this.... now that the director has promoted her film with all these terrible things (said and done), I have lost interest in her film. among other reasons I cited above.

vice versa, had the director of TOP GUN spouted out the same type of crap that Oliva did, I probably wouldn't have seen that one either.
actually, and I am sure it HAS happened, I don't recall hearing a male director barking a bunch of negative crap about their film that they are actively trying to promote and sell. seems like a very bad practice to me. Yet, on many occasions, I've heard a number of women directors bad mouthing this and that and men and patriarchy etc etc.... how does THAT help interest male audiences in your films?? It's repelling really.

Just shut up, make and good entertaining movie, who CARES what sex you are, and people will come pay for it.
Olivia earned a gold star in foot shooting: let the MOVIE sell your message, not your mouth. Fail.

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Well. It is her film, and at least she hasn't removed herself from the credits and used Alan Smithee. Like I said, you don't have to like her, and you don't have to watch the film, nor do you have to take her comments (which I'm not even sure what they were as you haven't linked to them and there is too much behind the scenes drama to find it) and apply them to all women directors.

who CARES what sex you are
Well. You apparently do.


how does THAT help interest male audiences in your films?? It's repelling really.

And maybe she isn't making the movies for the male audiences and don't really care if men want to see them. Perhaps some other directors who have dealt with the online hate from men who make comments about them being women don't care either.

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no, I don't care - as long as its a good movie. reviews are saying it is not, and I have reason to believe they are correct from what I have read. I WAS looking forward to this as a twilight zone style fan, but no longer interested. Will catch for free on HBO later.

I'm using this as just another example of women directors not really having their finger on the pulse of movie making - GENERALLY and past proving this truth. We'll see on this one when released. I've made my prediction here.

If she's not making the film for male audience attending, then she will have no right to bitch about it, when they don't show up and fund it. :)

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If she's not making the film for male audience attending, then she will have no right to bitch about it, when they don't show up and fund it. :)


You obviously care enough that you made a post about it, and you keep replying.

Look, I get the disappointment when you are looking forward to a movie and someone involved in it does or says something that makes you not want to see it. I have no issues with your feelings on Wilde, although I still don't know what she said to make you so annoyed. I mean the behind the scenes issues with Pugh, and now Styles, and Pine have over shadowed anything she said against men. But.....

My issue isn't your issue with Wilde. My issue is that you had a problem with Wilde and what she said, so then you applied that to all women directors

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yeah, it's a basic generalization. there are always exceptions.

as a guy, I'm sick of hearing female directors whining about males not showing up for their films. they seemed puzzled by this. maybe the truths are not obvious, or they live in a karen-enabled dream state.

it's probably because of the same reasons they are not as good fighter pilots or car mechanics. because men and women are different, and can't always do the same things equally. and that is okay.

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Hmmm. Why do you think that women aren't as good as car mechanics? Just because less than 10% of mechanics are women it doesn't mean they aren't as good.

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law of averages: if you have a college with 12,000 students, the amount interested in playing football is higher, also giving you a larger pool for the best talent, then say, a college with only 3000 students.

if there are 1,000,000 men interested in working on cars, you have a high chance of finding someone with outstanding skill than if you could only pick from 100.
and most women aren't all that interested in being a mechanic.... certainly not an amount EQUAL to men, so odds of greatness are less. There will always be possible exceptions.

the fact that some people feel all needs must be equal just blows me away. you can't MAKE everyone interested in things they are not interested in.
https://ilostat.ilo.org/these-occupations-are-dominated-by-women/

over my entire life time of car service, I have never seen ONE female mechanic, ever, anywhere.

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Interest does not equal talent or skill.

The issue is that these gendered occupations, can exclude those with great talent. Equality doesn't mean that we do everything equally. It means that we have the opportunity to try. I don't agree with lowering standards for one sex to be able to fit a quota. I'm just saying that if someone is able to do a job, they should be able to do it.

A lot of why women don't go into a lot of these careers is because of sexism. Women mechanics out there usually face a stigma from men bringing their cars to them because they are women. It's a deterrent. Men face the sexist backlash as well, but it usually doesn't come with the same degree of sexual harassment. The trades are notorious for it, and again deters women from those careers.

Men might be great at personal care, but there is also an unfair stigma with male nurses in nursing homes, or with homecare. It's just as wrong. Men don't go into jobs of office administration the same rate as women, as it is seen as women's work. Yet more and more men are entering that field, and why shouldn't they if it's something they enjoy and are good at it?

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I would counter it still has a lot to do with interest. women really ARE more caring, and men are more mechanical driven. (always exceptions of course, and I would like to not keep using this disclaimer)

if I was interested in being a care worker, I would definitely pursue it. women who dig cars def pursue that. there just is not as much of the interest like that and it wont ever be equal. opportunies are there if one is interested. especially now days.

how this relates to the OP: people want there to be more female directors... and there are some... but truth is, there is not as MUCH of a female population interested in doing that as males. I'll never be able to explain sexes interest differences, it just is what it is. But people saying we need MORE or EQUAL amount of directors is insane. females get the same chance as anyone else: just prove you are good. males don't get a pass because we are male, we have to be good too. hollywood's not banging down MY door, I got to fight and prove every day. :)

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I think that you underestimate how many women want to be directors. I don't think that there should be a 50/50 quota, but I think that historically there has been fewer opportunities for women to direct. Now that there are more women directing, you will see even more.

When you say that you counter with it having to do with interest. I will counter that sure, some things for sure are interest, but....

Why would a woman be interested in career where she would be belittled, and harassed by both the other people in that industry, and the clients? That does apply to men as well, although I do think that the harassment is a little bit less. You might not think it's an issue, but just go an read on women in construction who have quit because they've been groped on site. Even going up a ladder. So yeah, please tell me again why a woman who really is interested in construction would want to endure that?

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Women and men are different, they have different desires and if you had 1000 random men and women, 500 of each sex make a list of what they enjoyed doing you would find that you could look at what they said and then group them as male or female and unless you were a complete idiot would likely get 90% or more of your groupings correct.

You find that more men than women have an interest in being a mechanic. If you have one group of a million male mechanics and another that is only 1000 female mechanics the odds are you are going to have the better mechanics being male. Doesn't matter if both male and female really wanted to be a mechanic the shear numbers difference is going to result in a greater probability of the best mechanics being male.

And that would assume that male and females are equal in the mental capabilities that are required to be a mechanic. If you accept that in general men are better at spatial tasks which come into play when being a mechanic, then you are even more likely to find men being better at being a mechanic. The simple fact is men are better at some things than women and women are better at some other things than men. Simply accepting reality doesn't mean that one is inherently superior to the other. Hell given women generally live longer than men and female babies are less likely to die than male babies one could certainly argue that women are healthier than men. The problem is when people want to ignore reality and assume that you can use a male or female interchangeably at any given task, that is simply stupid.

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I have not said anywhere that there aren't differences. I have stated that there are reasons why women don't want to go into certain fields that has nothing to do with talent. If someone wants to try to do something they should have equal opportunity. Not have roadblocks set up for them because they are one sex or another. From my previous post

Why would a woman be interested in career where she would be belittled, and harassed by both the other people in that industry, and the clients? That does apply to men as well, although I do think that the harassment is a little bit less. You might not think it's an issue, but just go an read on women in construction who have quit because they've been groped on site. Even going up a ladder. So yeah, please tell me again why a woman who really is interested in construction would want to endure that?




In regards to the OP, his disappointment with Wilde, should not extend to all women directors as there have been some very popular movies directed by women. This is my issue with this post.

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Equal opportunity? What bullshit. So a midget that wants to play in the NBA should get to play, so a blindman that wants to be a film editor should get to... what a load of horse shit. People can try to do anything they want but if they can't prove themselves to be a talented director on TV or in commercials there is no way they should be given a movie where tens of millions of dollars are being put up.

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That's not what I said equal opportunity was to me but go ahead and be mad. I said equal opportunity to try. So yeah, we agree that if someone can't do something, they shouldn't get the job. I'm just saying that just because the OP doesn't like Wilde it doesn't mean that all female directors don’t make movies that men like. Im saying that just because most men might be better at a skill than most women, a woman who does have that skill shouldn't be excluded because she's a woman or vice versa. Do you disagree with that?

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Not at all. The problem right now is that in the name of diversity studios are giving women directors like Wilde opportunities that no aspiring male director would have gotten if they had the same background as Wilde.

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Why wouldn't she have been given this opportunity? Booksmart was well received overall. It's not like this was her first film.

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Go watch Roadhouse again. Nobody is forcing you to watch this. Lol ‘me and my friends aren’t going to watch a girly movie!’
You sound really immature.

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this isn't a "girly movie" :D .... don't people even read the original posts anymore???

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I've seen and walked out of the theater on more movies made by men and these were movies tailored specifically for young men so I'm not sure where your point stands on this flick since it looks like it's tailored for both men and women.

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