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John Doe is the Hero


He had the morale ground.

The detectives couldn’t catch up to him without cheating like crazy. How is this justice? Breaking every law possible just to get close to him. They were beneath him. Even when they had him they couldn’t control themselves to let justice be served.

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Legality and morality are different things. Now, I don't think cops should break the law, but there's a difference between the law, morality, and justice. These are not necessarily the same, although there is a lot of overlap.

John Doe murdered people - a lot of people - and he did it in horrifying ways. This is a sick man, a psychopath, and clearly has no moral high ground. Were the detectives right for bending the rules or breaking them? Nope. But that doesn't mean they sank to the depths of John Doe.

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John Doe? More like a moral LOW ground low, or an immoral ground, for that matter.

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He killed an innocent pregnant woman. No moral high ground in that.

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And several other innocent folks as well.

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But in the context of what the OP is saying, the others he killed were not innocent. They were each guilty of a deadly sin.

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While the cops did cut corners and did things that they shouldn’t, it all pales in comparison to John Doe forcing a man to rape a woman with a blade dildo.

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Can you explain the morality in murdering Tracy mills and the obese shut-in?

It might be more interesting in know why you think John Doe was morally superior to his victims.

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He wasn't, in fact he accepted it so he included himself with the other víctims to be punished.

The obese was guilty of not care about himself. Tracy was effectively innocent, that's why John then offers himself to David to be executed by him.

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This is what happens when you get your concept of morality from ancient books written by ignorant superstitious primitive morons.

Someone outsmarting law enforcement to avoid getting caught doesn't mean they aren't committing evil acts.

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I wonder how many of them are around, besides well obvious ones like Mein Kampf from Adolf Hitler?

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I was raised on a diet of fairy tales and action movies where good defeats evil and evil dies, so I got my morality from those areas albeit reality just doesn't often work this way much at all.

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Following the rules isn't the same as justice. And even if it was: John Doe broke a hell of lot more rules. No moral high ground by any definition.

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You're whats wrong with this world.

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He had the morale ground.

The detectives couldn’t catch up to him without cheating like crazy. How is this justice? Breaking every law possible just to get close to him. They were beneath him. Even when they had him they couldn’t control themselves to let justice be served."

Worked for Dirty Harry in catching the Scorpio Killer

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It's really stretching to determine that John Doe has moral high ground over the cops who bend the rules a little to catch him. John Doe is a monstrous, time bomb monster, whose aim is to murder more victims, so he must be stopped at all costs. He deserves to die, one way or another.

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How does murdering people establish the moral high ground in this case?

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