CRANE KICK ILLEGAL?
Does anyone know why the crane kick is being called an "illegal move"?
shareThe question seems to be over whether or not ALL strikes to the face are illegal, or only punches. Because punches to the face are definitely illegal. What about kicks?
Some people argue that other people are shown in the tournament scoring points with kicks to the face, so they must have been legal.
Ralph Macchio has said himself that the kick was illegal.
https://www.thewrap.com/ralph-macchio-karate-kid-crane-kick-cobra-kai-daniel-larusso/
The creators of Cobra Kai do a bit of fence sitting in this interview excerpt:
Josh Heald: We address the idea of the illegal kick in our first episode, but we also take steps to point out that it’s a matter of perspective. The illegal kick may be an illegal kick or may not be an illegal kick depending on who you are. The rules were a little bit vague.
Hayden Schlossberg: I just think it wasn’t completely thoroughly explained in the movies. How I interpret the rules is that kicks to the face are allowed. Punches to the face are not allowed. So that’s why Daniel won. If it was illegal, they wouldn’t have given them the trophy.
Josh Heald: We do acknowledge that some characters view the kick as illegal and other characters view it as perfectly legal. We leave the 1984 rules a little bit vague.
Actually, the crane kick would NOT have been considered illegal. When spectacular kicks are throw the opponent is expected to have enough experience to get out of the way. If he doesn't, as was the case with Johnny, and gets knocked flat on his fanny it would be held against him. I actually saw something like this happen in a taekwondo tournament.
shareWell you've just added one more voice to the debate.
Though I'd say don't forget that any particular tournament can have custom rules, depending on the style, governing body, etc.
Citing a TKD tournament is not really relevant, as in Kukkiwon TKD not only are kicks clearly legal but kick knockouts are also legal. In ITF TKD kicks to the face are legal, but not full-contact kicks. In an independent tournament, the rules could be anything.
But that's TKD, not karate.
You could go make your own tournament tomorrow and make the rules whatever you want.
Doesn’t Johnny score a point with a kick to the face in the first round of the tournament?
shareMaybe not illegal but what gets me is why as the fighter up on points would you really approach the guy in the weird fighting position? I mean it is obvious he is going to kick you right plus he is in a position where he can't move? Could you just run the clock down or take him out in a way that avoids the kick?
sharePeople tend to latch on to the no head contact thing.
If it were illegal then the seasoned real life martial artist and referee (Pat E johnson) would not have scored it, and Kreese would have contested the point and lodged a complaint.
People often say head contact was not allowed, but it is clearly shown to be allowed. We never see a copy of the rules or hear that head contact is not allowed from any source other than a non karate person....Allie. But throughout the tournament we see punches and kicks to the head being scored.
We never see a copy of the rules or hear that head contact is not allowed from any source other than a non karate person....Allie.
Which again shows the point was valid
shareIt wasn't illegal, but Johnny just can't let it go.
shareNo They Had other Head Kicks in the movie
shareThe real answer is because the HIMYM writers are NOT martial artists. Nor are the Harold and Kumar guys.
If they were they would know that the rules for point fighting were different in 1984. Controlled contact to the face and head were allowed at most tournaments at the time. Semi-contact was allowed anywhere above the waist except the back of the head. Granted it should also be noted that referee's also take liberties with points.
If you notice in KK3 the rules for the tournament have changed. That film was 1989, but was supposed to be set a year after the first film. So i think they goofed in part 3 and adapted the 1989 rules.
"I will make it legal." - Emperor Palpatine
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