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Why would there be locks on the outside of a pantry?


I could see a hasp with a place for a padlock, but a lock that you can’t open from inside but can easily open from the outside? Are pantries intended to be makeshift prison cells?

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You would think there would be some sort of safety device in case someone was accidentally locked inside. I always wondered what Jack was holding onto with his left hand in this scene:
https://chillopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Who-Opened-the-Pantry-Door-in-The-Shining-600x338.jpg

Is it some type of emergency release? That would explain how he escaped.

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I've always thought Kubrick was inviting us to believe that was the safety release for the lower door mechanism (It seems to be on the same level); but there's also a sliding bolt on the door - and we see that Wendy has remembered to slide it across.

Kubrick has very carefully constructed the puzzle. He's thought it through to ensure there isn't a definitive answer.

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That’s a push rod used on the inside of freezer doors for an emergency release. Why put one on a non freezer door is puzzling. Also those push rods are only about 2 inches long. Why that one is about 10 inches long is a mystery. If you notice, when they’re in the freezer, there is a push rod there of the normal 2 inches.

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They probably extended it just to get that camera angle.

But yeah. A rod that long would be a safety hazard. Stuff would constantly get caught on the handle going in and out of that door.

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To prevent theft?

Anyone can walk in and out of a hotel, carrying suitcases and duffel bags.

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"Now this is where we keep all of out meat. You got fifteen rib roasts - thirty ten pound bags of hamburgers. You got twelve turkeys, two dozen pork roasts and twenty legs of lamb."

Leave the legs of lamb, and take the cannoli.

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Funny how Kubrick films get some people looking for dire and sinister solutions to simple questions, while there's an obvious common-sense answer.

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I think the ghost opened the door. There is no other explanation.

1) The Problem With "Danny Did It" Theories

Danny COULD have opened the door, but there is no reason given in the film why he would do so. Danny in his normal state I could MAYBE see letting Jack out due to sympathy if his Dad sweet talked him into it. But Danny was in Tony mode so this seems less likely, being in a semi-catatonic state. Besides, Tony is the one warning Danny about the danger, so why would Tony make Danny open the door? Regardless of whether you think Tony is Danny form the future, a guardian spirit, or Danny's subconscious (that can admit the reality of Jack's abuse), why would Danny open the door in that state knowing what he knows?

2) The Problem With "Emergency LOCK Release" Theories

The fact is the bolt would still keep the door from opening even if there was an emergency lock release. Yet we KNOW the main pantry door was opened (by someone or something) because we see it open later in the movie when Jack goes on his axe rampage. We know he didn't chop his way out, because the door and the locks are clearly shown as being intact and undamaged later. He may not have even had the axe yet anyway. He would have still needed outside help to get the bolt open, so we are right back where we started from.

3) The Problem With "Side Exit" Theories

If there was a side door, the only reason Jack would have opened up the main door afterwards would be to get closer to the kitchen, and the only reason for going back into the pantry that I can think of is for food. But he's already eaten some snacks inside the pantry, so it's not like he's starving. Jack is a man on a mission, so how likely is it he fixed himself some dinner first? What did he say: "I'm gonna kill my wife and child, but I'm not just gonna kill them, I'm gonna chop them up into little pieces... but first, hamburgers!"?

Why would Jack bother opening the main door? The locks are clearly troublesome to work with, so why would he even bother with them once he got out? This clearly shows he was stuck inside the pantry for a while, because how long would it have taken him to find the side door and get out? As I said before, he was eating snacks inside the pantry, which he wouldn't do if he could get out easily. And even if there was an emergency lock release, the fact that he was trapped for a long time and raided the kitchen for snacks proves that he got out neither of those ways, but needed outside help.

4) The Problem With "Spatial Anomaly" Theories

It's true that the hotel layout keeps changing and moving around in impossible angles, and it does appear in Halloran's tour of the kitchen that there could be a side door. However, since the hotel and maze layouts are constantly changing throughout the whole film who's to say they didn't change again? Even if there was a side door and it was still there, I still don't know why he would open the other one once he got out. The mental picture of Jack making himself a nice pre-massacre candlelight dinner for one is too silly to contemplate. Jack opening the door through telekinesis is not supported by anything we see or hear in the film about shining ability, nor is there any indication Jack has those abilities. Finally, Kubrick himself said it was the ghost that opened the door. The inevitable conclusion: someone else opened the main pantry door... not Jack, probably the ghost or the faint possibility of Danny.

To recap: There was no side door and he couldn't get out even if there was an emergency lock release because of the bolt lock; we know the front door was open because we see it opened and undamaged later; finally, we know he was stuck in there quite a while because he was eating snacks and waiting listlessly for someone to let him out, indicating he had given up trying; Danny could have opened the door but lacked a clear motive; Jack could have "shined it open" but nothing in the film support this.

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How would it prevent theft? As I said, a hasp with a place for a padlock would be what you would want for that. This lock can be opened by anyone in the kitchen area, just not someone inside the pantry.

I have never seen a room in any building designed with a lock anyone can open from the outside but no one can open from the inside, except in a prison and at a primate facility I volunteered at, where I once accidentally got locked in a cage with a bunch of lemurs who swarmed all over me when the fruit I had laid out for them was used up and they wanted the rest in my bucket.

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There is a place in that dead bolt to put a padlock through which prevents it from opening at all, those random holes on the plate top and bottom. Watch how Wendy unlocks it, she has to turn the deadbolt up and push it out, putting a padlock in the hole above the bolt would prevent anyone from pushing it up. And that is obviously why a padlock is hanging there, and obviously Kubrick did not need to include the padlock hanging there since Wendy does not use it. I've put those deadbolts on before.

They may have a policy to lock the door like that just as a safety mechanism so kids do not get trapped in there, the way they did in old fridges which was actually a common safety concern when the shining was filmed. Or to prevent any tampering with the food, but if someone really wanted to steal the food or tamper with it they'd simply take the screws out of the deadbolt and it would fall off.

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I never noticed that padlock hanging there before. Good catch, that does make it interesting. I did watch the sequence just now of her opening the deadbolt about 10 times and I don’t really see how a padlock would work in those holes. How would it prevent that deal from being turned up?

I also noticed that they don’t show her closing the deadbolt but it does appear she has already done so. However, they also show her hurriedly jamming in the pin on the lower latch that she was struggling with before she got it open, as though that was the necessary move to keep him locked in. That doesn’t appear to be the case if the deadbolt is already set, and it does also once again raise the question of why you would have that pin at all. Are you sure that’s not the place the padlock would go?

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There are a few ways I've seen those used, one is the lock goes through the bottom hole and simply blocks the handle from going up because there is no wiggle room to get around it. Or you take a short padlock and go through the bottom hole and around the handle. Or with a long lock like the one that's hanging there you could go through the top hole and around the handle, in which case you would be able to push it up some but not back.

You could put the lock in the lower latch but it looks like its hanging by the deadbolt and the lower one has a pin already. The two holes on the deadbolt are definitely padlock related, there is no purpose for them otherwise and even though the design has changed up since the 70's latches still use holes like that for padlocks.

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Strange design if so.

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Look up Brenton Bolt on google images, the one I was remembering did not have the hook on the handle but the one in the shining definitely does. Anyway the pictures there make it a lot easier to see how the thing works.

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As someone else said to prevent theft. My father has worked in the food service industry. There are often locks where the food is stored. Some refrigerators can even have locks

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But presumably not a lock that would not stop any thief except for someone who is locked inside the pantry. Literally every other person in the world can open that door without needing a key or a combination.

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The whole point is to show that the door DOES open without any possible action by Jack. The elaborateness of the lock system is supposed to draw attention to itself. The only other human person who could have opened the door is Danny, but that is illogical for various reasons. We can discount Wendy because that makes even less sense. The dead bolt would have kept Jack in there no matter if there was an emergency lock release or not. There could have been a side door, but why does Jack open the front door once he is already out? What does he need in there that he hasn't already gotten? So, we have to make a leap of faith that the supernatural and the ghosts in The Shining are real. It's like the "open tomb" in Christianity. Oh, by the way, that gives Kubrick's use of Penderecki's Utrenja (the rattling sounds and the chanting) a whole new meaning. As difficult as this is to believe, Utrenja is an Easter piece celebrating the Resurrection of Jesus. We literally see Jack rise up into the frame after murdering Halloran as the chanting starts.

And don't get me started on the "redrum/murder" door and its interesting paneling design...
https://moviechat.org/tt0081505/The-Shining/5f9769bdda8f8020a084bda3/Was-the-redrum-door-an-inverted-cross?reply=

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We are talking past each other. You are talking about its function in the plot and I am talking about the realism of a door like that existing in a hotel or really anywhere. Despite the supernatural elements, most everything physical we see otherwise is realistic.

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I agree that the door is not realistic, and wouldn't exist anywhere. For instance, what is the point of a dead bolt on the OUTSIDE? Dose the pantry double as brig? I was merely taking it one step further and suggesting this was quite deliberate and why it might have been done that way. Perhaps it was an unreal door that set up an extraordinary event that can't be accounted for by conventional logic. This is why I don't think the alternative theories presented in Rob Ager's video (https://youtu.be/aSq9yF-Yh9s) hold up to scrutiny. To be honest, I never really gave the locks on the door much thought until after watching the Ager video. Kubrick goes out of his way to show the door open after Jack gets out, so we know it was definitely opened somehow. I don't think it was done for frivolous reasons or to trick the audience.

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“For instance, what is the point of a dead bolt on the OUTSIDE? Dose the pantry double as brig?”

This is exactly my question.

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Indeed.

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I am getting sick of seeing this topic trending for days on.end. it's not that big a deal. Can't you people think of something else to talk about with the Shining?

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You realize you just bumped it?

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Let me just bump this thread by saying I agree with you. Kubrick (in an interview) TELLS us the door was opened by a ghost. Kubrick (in the film) SHOWS us Jack talking to a ghost outside. Kubrick (in the film) SHOWS the door open afterwards. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume the door was opened by ghosts. None of the other explanations makes any sense.

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It doesn't matter very much what Kubrick may have said in an interview. Only what's in the film itself matters. And what's in the film is ambiguous and interpretable. That's part of the reason it's such a good film.

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It's left ambiguous and interpretable, but (I think) only to the extent that Kubrick is forcing us to make rationalizations for what happened - exactly as Jack and Wendy are doing concerning Danny and the abuse. Jack even denies he saw anything in Room 237 when we know he did (or at least thought he did). He's giving the audience an (cop)out for not accepting how the door was opened. I feel that's the reason why the door lock system is so bizarre and seemingly unnecessary and why Kubrick draws so much attention to it.

I think his statements about the "God concept" in an interview about 2001 are very revealing about what his intentions were. It's not just that one interview about The Shining. I am NOT saying Kubrick believed in God, but that he was open-minded about certain things that haven't been explained yet by our current level of science and perception as humans. This phone interview with the Japanese "paranormal investigator" in this video further bolsters the idea that Kubrick took this seriously: https://youtu.be/fVlXbS0SNqk

Kubrick on ESP: "I'd be surprised if it was true. I'd be surprised if it wasn't true."

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It doesn't matter what Kubrick said in interviews. Only what is in the film matters.

And, as you agree, the film is ambiguous and interpretable.

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Ok... let's just say I lean strongly the other way, at least as far as The Shining goes. Outside of the fictional world of The Shining (if I was a cop investigating the Overlook Hotel case) I would probably argue the other way. Being a work of fiction as it is, I can allow myself the luxury of accepting something (at least as a metaphor) in the story.

I do think you dismiss interviews with Kubrick a bit too lightly though. Kubrick didn't like to spoon feed audiences about how to interpret specific scenes in his films, or even how to interpret a specific film overall, but that doesn't mean he lacked a philosophy of life, the pattern of which might emerge if we piece together statements he made from various different sources.

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Sure. I think the 'it's ghosts'/supernatural reading is perfectly valid. I think my own reading of the film leans heavily that way too.

But I'd certainly argue that the film is very deliberately, very carefully designed so that it is debatable. As you say, that elaborate lock mechanism is no accident. And Kubrick makes sure our attention is drawn to it. Crucially, he doesn't show us what actually happened. He could have. He chose not to. That's very deliberate too. He didn't want to pin it down.

And I'm not dismissing Kubrick's interviews, or denying he had a philosophy of life that informed his filmmaking. He was an interesting chap. I'm only pointing out that what an author says about their work doesn't constitute reliable evidence for the interpretation of the work; evidence for interpretation can only come from the material itself.

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It's to keep the food from escaping, dummy!

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Hahaha, there you go!

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lol!

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To prevent the oatmeal from escaping.

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That's it!

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Having seen such lockers there is a latch, which can be released from outside or inside (Jack is seen pushing on it) and a place to put a padlock from the outside to stop unauthorized usage. Usually you can put a stop in position from the outside without putting on the padlock which still prevents someone from opening the door from inside. This is probably not allowed by OSHA these days.

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It definitely shouldn't be!

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The design is the same to this day. It’s fairly difficult to accidentally lock yourself in there. There is only 1 lock, it pulls from the outside, and pushes from the inside. When it’s locked, it prevents the mechanism from fully opening on either side.

It can act as as brig like it does in the movie. Me and my friends used to lock either other in the cooler by sticking a screw driver in the hole.

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KEEP THE FATTIES OUT. NOEMOJI

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