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Terrible patter from a crass teenager it may be. It's still nowhere near as dark as the four brutal onscreen murders and the sustained attempted murder.
In fact it's a million miles away from being as dark as the murders.
I don’t know about a million miles, it’s up there i think, even if not as bad.
shareHow many miles then? Half a million?
Idiotic drunken wordplay between two people in private, who are saying it purely because they think they are being funny, in private, isn't remotely anywhere near or "up with" sadistic murder.
It's equally as dark as when Laurie thinks she's being pranked over the phone and threatens "I'll kill you if this is a joke!"
Actually "Killing people" and the actual subject of Bob's crap joke are dark and creepy ideas at any time. It has nothing to do with the seventies. Loose and stupid talk isn't dark in the slightest.
I dunno. A quarter million maybe. What Laurie said was just a mere expression. Not meant literally. Everyone of us has said something like that at some point but we didn't really mean it. Bob's line is hard to interpret as anything but exactly what he says. Let's imagine you had a sister the same age as Lindsay and where getting drunk and making out with some guy and he randomy says this about her. Would you just gloss it over as if it was nothing? I know i wouldn't. The 70's actually as a lot to do with things. What is appropriate and not to say changes with times. "Loose and stupid talk isn't dark in the slightest." What i guess i want to point out is that you don't really know if it's only stupid talk or if the alcohol showed his true intentions for a moment.
share"Bob's line is hard to interpret as anything but exactly what he says."
Try explaining why that is. Do you know Bob or something? It's like his second line in the movie ten seconds after we've been introduced to him. And he couldn't have been happier when he learned that Lindsay wasn't even around. Hard to see how you could interpret his earlier stupid line as anything but a joke after that,
I'm not glossing it over. If Lindsay's big brother was there to hear that I'd expect him to punch Bob out, naturally. By that same token, wouldn't you expect Lynda's parents to be unimpressed with Laurie threatening to "kill" her friends just for tricking her?
He says it. It's crass and sick. Move on. Stop trying to get a pat on the back from everyone for contriving to be extra scandalised by it. Nobody's saying it's nothing. But it is "darker" than a crap joke from an idiotic teenager said only BECAUSE it's safe for him to assume there would be no consequence. He's not saying it in earnest because he thinks it's acceptable to say in front of the audience of a movie, then or now.
Why do you think that tearing a child's clothes off is darker now than it was forty years ago? That's what's troubling me. Do you think actually tearing children's clothes off was acceptable in the 70s? What gave you that idea?
Why do you expect/want him to be punched out then if it's obviously just a joke in your eyes? I'm not looking for a pat, i just find it interesting how the line has gotten so much creepier over time and now adds to the overall dark vibe. I'm not saying it was accepted to do, what i'm saying is people didn't go apeshit over such a comment back then but they certainly would today.
shareBecause, joke or no joke, I'd be lindsay's brother and that's how I'd likely react. In the highly unlikely scenario that you are taking about. If it was lindsay's brother in the van instead of Lynda, the conversation that leads to what Bob says wouldn't have started at all. So it's neither here nor there
The line is no "creepier" now than then. That's an argument you've constructed to enable you to pick it out and signal your virtue to us.
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It definitely was a concept then. The only thing that's changed is that more people are keen to seek out allusions to it, even of they aren't really there, in order to signal their virtue regarding it.
The topic has more currency and people are more comfortable talking about it in this manner.
Exactly, people worry about it too much. Certainly that line shouldn't be what one would use to shine a great light onto Bob's wonderful character, but it was stupid wordplay between drunken teenagers, he likely said it for shock value to make Lynda giggle a bit more, but there's always an armchair psychologist who wants to be all "I am in shock! He must've meant it literal, we need to explore it further, where did that come from, what's his history, what did he really MEAN?!" Chill
shareYeah. People that try to counterfactually make a mountain out of it are really trying to talk about themselves. Not Bob. Not Lindsay. And not the '70s.
shareChill yourself, fanboy. Nobody said that Bob was a pedo or that there's more to it. It's just creepy to make a sex joke about ripping a child's joke off. James Gunn proves people say stuff like this in real life, but why would you put it in a movie?
shareJust a teenager trying to be shocking and transgressive. You know how those kids can be.
share"From a modern perspective".
That says it all. For 40 years that line existed in the movie, and no one had a problem with it. However, today's society doesn't know how to handle comments purposely said in jest, for shock value. Everything is offensive. The problem isn't the line, it's your "modern perspective". Worse, is your perspective that a dumb remark is just as bad as gruesome murders. Yeah, that's not irrational at all.
It's the worst kind of moralistic posturing. I often wonder if people trying this hard to find things to appear scandalised about are concealing something themselves.
shareI think you may have something there. If someone's "mind" is always going to the darkest and creepiest places, it says more about them, than anything else.
shareI'm a little late to the party, but things have changed. When I was younger having thick skin and not getting offended was a badge of honor. Now it seems the opposite is true. I think people want to be offended because it's an easy and shallow way of saying "I care!" about something without having to put any real thought or action into anything. I swear there is a competition going on to see who can be the the quickest and most easily offended.
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One has to have a quite dark mind to assume there is anything sexual about ripping Lyndey's clothes off, it is a beautiful idea in a way, it's about freedom being naked. This is what happens when perverted minds self project themselves on the outside stimuli. I used to say it once myself couple years back in the same way that involved 7 year old kid, and it's normal, if you are normal, or at least crazy in a beatiful free way. Learn how some hippies usually talk or act. Theres nothing wrong with being naked. This is what happens when people take everything seriously, especially these days. Ahh golden 70's full of open minded free people, the time when guys were not afraid to hug each other for thinking they'll be seen as gay. That started happening later on, because people are plaqued by corupted mind and assumptions based on fears they grew up with.
shareIt wouldn't have to be sexual if it was said in a different situation, but he says it while being all horny and they are making out in the car, apparently sex draws his mind to Lindsay.
shareWow now that is creepy that you think so, I said it too when I was horny, so what. Where this world is coming to. No sex has nothing to do with it, AT ALL. There's many guys who can speak like this even today, especially drunk. The idea is that when you're already in the act of undressing, undress the whole world, everyone, it's silly, but funny at the same time. Are people able to lighten up. Stop self projecting your fears. This film is far more innocent than some people who project themselves onto it like this.
shareUm...wow.
shareYou've said you wanted to rip off the clothes of a 7-year old child while talking about sex with your girlfriend? Okay, troll.
shareYes of course. People who have no demons in their hearts understand it I guess. Therapeutic self healing of our mind, body and soul helps us to empty our mind, and stop assuming.
shareYes, I already got you're a pedo troll.
shareYou're not for real. lol
shareThat's my line, troll boy.
shareWhatever, as long as my sharing helps people to truly heal their lives and heart and expand their awareness and reach their essence. Thank you for an important conversation. This was very enlightening.
shareYes, it must be very comforting to know that there are others out there who also want to rip the clothes off from children when having sex with their girlfriends.
shareIt is comforting when people can learn their own way, including also seeing it like me not wanting to rip the clothes off from children when having sex with their girlfriends. You may have not understood anything what I've been saying, but I love you the way you are anyway.
shareI'm not a young child, so I doubt you really love me.
shareI love children, I love adults, I love everyone and everything.
shareYou might love children a bit too much if you want to rip off their clothes while having sex with your girlfriend...
shareI love children very very much, there's never too much. It is only you, no one else, who says that I want to rip a child's clothes off while having sex. Why is that? Feelng guilty of doing this yourself?
shareYou yourself stated that you've talked with your girlfriend many times about how you want to rip little children's clothes off while ripping her clothes off to have sex with her, you sick troll.
sharewow now that is a sick mind, and for your information people can see that the only troll here is you, I was just sharing my viewpoint, and you are trolling ME, you seem to have a problem yourself. Again, that is not what I have said, that is your own interpretation in your own sick mind, as if it was not obvious from the very beginning. If I said something like that my girlfriend would certainly find it distasetful. You're completely clueless. Ironic thing is that most people find it absolutely normal in what is in the film and what I used to say to uplift the spirit, only someone who is genuinely sick sees the opposite. They do have a problem, a big problem!
shareGo back under your bridge!
shareDo you even know the context in which it is said???
shareI can't recall this line, 70's/80's movies are full of bizarre off colour remarks. Sounds like he was just being edgy, it's possible to say things without meaning or intention, with none other but to elicit a reaction.
shareI think you're close to getting it. People generally have no problem with it when it's said in that way, especially women! It's not what is said, it's about how it's said and for what purpose, it's always hilarious.
shareI just watched that scene again. I wonder if he meant to say rip Annie's clothes off and not Lindsey's ?? It was a strange thing to say.
shareIn the 70s the subject of ACTUALLY tearing off a kid's clothes was just as morally repellent as it is today. HOWEVER, unlike modern people, people of the 70s felt that saying something like that as a tasteless joke should not be considered the moral equivalent of the physical act of doing so. Maybe back then the actual act was seen as more far-fetched and not something that would happen very frequently IRL.
Modern people seem to think that if someone jokes about a taboo subject, it is a moral equivalency to actually doing it. Modern people are more like the puritans of the 1600s than the people of the 1970s. Back then, anything was fair game for humor by comedians on TV and movies: sexist, racist and morbid jokes were told often and seen as just jokes. Not everyone found them tasteful, but there were no moral crusades to silence the tellers. Shocking tasteless humor was quite popular.
The kid who said that in the movie was probably just emulating some comedian he saw on Saturday Night Live.