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I think I know who killed her


This might be controversial...but it’s the only plausible explanation.

https://youtu.be/hE5zp5rIsb0

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You said you think you know, then just posting a YouTube video is not you really thinking you know is it

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Headline “I think I know” and video “shocking new theory” don’t contradict if that’s what you mean. It’s just a theory, I wasn’t eating peaches with JonBenet that morning so I can’t say for certain that after she wet her bed, the guilt took her over the edge.

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This site is “okay” I guess but YouTube is vastly better, I would suggest hanging out there more before you kick the bucket.

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I guess you will have to watch the video, it pretty much fills in the blanks. You might even learn something new. 😚

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It could have been the mother, she had a motive after her daughter wet the bed for the 200th time, but it could also be my theory....tough call

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Her Mother.

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This is quite possibly the worst trolling attempt i ever seen. Please anyone, dont go to that youtube link, all he wants is the click.

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Who do you think killed her? Isn’t it why we are on this random message board right now? There are much better uses of your time if you don’t care about this topic, might I suggest flying a kite or watching a rerun of Murphy Brown?

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Well since you made that youtube video, you are the one who dont use your time very well.

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No, since I’m passionate about finding the killer it makes sense for me to spend time on it. You on the other hand don’t seem to want to discuss JonBenet or contribute anything worthwhile so it’s you who is wasting your time.

Do you understand now?

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I think Bill Cosby did it. It was one of his druggings gone wrong.

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I watched your video but, I think her brother Burke killed JonBenet. Here's my theory. This was purely an accident and not intentional on his part. Burke was insanely jealous of JonBenet and anything he had, he did not want her to have it. I think Patsy made Burke some pineapple with milk in a bowl and went upstairs. JonBenet went downstairs to see what Burke was doing. JonBenet reached inside of Burke's bowl with pineapple and ate a piece; this would explain why she had undigested pineapple in her body. Burke became upset and chased JonBenet through the house with a flashlight. JonBenet tried to escape and ran down to the basement; Burke followed her. Out of anger, Burke hit her on the head with the flashlight (not knowing that the flashlight would kill her). Burke examined the body and noticed she was not moving. Burke ran upstairs to tell Jon and Patsy. Jon and Patsy examined JonBenet and concluded that she was dead so, they staged the whole thing to look like a murder. This is why Burke was whisked away to their friend's house and hidden from the police. This is why Burke was really not asleep that night and was heard on the 911 tape when Patsy really did not hang up the phone. This is why Jon and Patsy were not cooperative with the police; they tried everything they could to protect Burke. They couldn't bear the idea of losing another child after they lost JonBenet. This is why the family still today looks guilty as Hell today and the murder was never solved.

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there is DNA evidence that proves beyond any doubt that there was an intruder that night in the house, so it wasn't Burke.

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Are you referring to the DNA in JonBenet's underwear? JonBenet got that underwear for Christmas and she wore it that day so therefore, the underwear was not washed yet. Factory workers deal with all kinds of clothing. When clothing is not washed, DNA fingerprints from the factory workers are all over the clothing we buy. That's not proof. There was absolutely no evidence of a break in. It was an inside job and Burke killed JonBenet by accident. He only meant to hurt her with a flashlight and did not realize that a blow to the head with the flashlight would actually kill her.

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the DNA was semen actually.

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The DNA was unknown DNA from several people (I'm thinking from factory workers) and through many investigations from the FBI, they believe the semen was intentionally placed in the underwear. The coroner report states that the garrote that was placed in her underwear was penetrated in her private part (for a lack of a better term) after she was already pronounced dead. Jon and Patsy performed an elaborate massive cover up to protect Burke. They already lost JonBenet. They didn't want to lose Burke too. Also, in an interview given by one of Patsy's friends, she stated that Patsy told her that "We never meant for this to happen". Jon also stated to some of his friends and his pastor "He didn't mean to kill her"; I'm thinking he was referring to Burke. Burke also seemed to be totally unaffected by this whole situation. In a therapy session, the therapist asked Burke if he knew what happened to his sister and he said "I know exactly what happened to my sister". The therapist also asked Burke if he felt scared that this was going to happen to him too and he said "No, I'm just continuing with my life". That's not normal behavior for someone whose sister was just killed.

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pronounced dead? also, I just checked at it was apparently a blood sample that is a mixture of two people.

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What I meant was her time of death. The garrote that was placed in her vagina was placed in there after she was already dead. The coroners report said that her time on death occurred on Christmas Day. The Ramsey's did not call the police until the morning of the 26th of December. This gave Patsy and John plenty of time to stage her "murder". Plus, Patsy was wearing the same clothing as she did the night she went to Christmas at the Fleets house; not sure if I got their name right. Apparently, she never went to bed that night. Also the ransom note was written on Patsy's legal notepad. The examiner noticed that there was a few practice notes written on the same paper as Patsy's notepad. The practice note said "Dear Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey". Patsy was asked for a handwriting sample and that's when they discovered the practice note. Patsy's writing was almost identical to the "kidnappers" writing. Burke was whisked away to a friends house and when the police wanted to question him that day, the Ramsey's kept insisting that he would stay out of the investigation. It was only weeks later that he finally talked to them. The blood in her underwear was from train track marks on her arm. Burke stabbed JonBenet's arm with a train track from the toy train he got for Christmas. The police thought the marks were from a teaser gun but the FBI had a volunteer get teased by a teaser gun. A teaser gun will give you an electrical shock and lots of energy. It doesn't sedate you. JonBenet would have screamed and would have ran away from the intruder. Surely anyone in the house would have heard her.

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I've literally never heard any of that.

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That sounds pretty ridiculous to say he was unaffected by the situation. They had to move because of the constant harassment he received from people convinced he did it.

Sounds like a perfectly normal response to a therapist asking a question and the kid replying he understood his sister had been raped and killed, implying he was well aware the details of her sexual assault that might have been spared from the ears of a child.

Just a hunch, I bet you think Amanda Knox is guilty too.

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Burke was analyzed by a behaviorist specialist and several FBI agents who examined the video. Burke was very calm and he kept mentioning to his therapist that he was going to continue with his life and play his video games. The behaviorist specialist and even his therapist all agree that he never seemed affected by this situation. I think you can find the video on YouTube. I know I sound dumb but who is Amanda Knox?? Also, on a side note, the CBS investigative show on the JonBenet Ramsey case (I think it came out in 2016) is carefully examined by a team of FBI agents. The amount of evidence against Burke is overwhelming. They all believe that Burke is guilty of his sister's death. I'm sorry but i can't argue with them. After all, they are experts in this type of field. You should definitely watch it. It's a three part mini series.

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Yeah I just don't buy the parents engaged in this massive cover up. The house was packed with people when they discovered the body, police made critical errors not discovering it earlier and thought she'd been kidnapped. By all witness accounts the father was destroyed and broke down crying when they found her body. So when did he become such a good actor that could cry on cue?

It's easy to blame the parents because they're the only known suspects and police made major errors throughout on not pursuing other leads because they zeroed in on the family.

Amanda Knox is an American who spent four years in an Italian prison for killing of her roommate after accused by a lunatic prosecutor of participating in a satanic ritual in 2007. If you were following the news then you couldn't have missed it.

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Burke comes across as perfectly believable to me in these responses. I guess YMMV depending on what you think of him, I just think people wrongly try to read too much into what "normal" behavior is.

Burke told Dr. Phil that he didn't react much when he was initially told that his sister was missing. "I guess I kind of liked to avoid conflict," he said (via ABC News), "I guess part of me doesn't want to know what's going on."

As chaos erupted around him, Burke said he remained in bed. "The first thing I remember is my mom bursting into my room really frantic saying 'Oh my gosh, oh my gosh,' running around my room," he said (via Time). "I remember her saying, 'Where's my baby? Where's my baby?' I just laid there and didn't really know what else to do."

Eventually, John broke the terrible news to his son. Burke recalled that moment too. "My dad told me JonBenét is in heaven now, and he started crying, then I started crying."

Patsy and John railed against the absurdity of accusing—or even submitting for questioning—their son over the murder of his sister. In a 2016 A&E documentary called The Killing of JonBenét: The Truth Uncovered, John said (via People), "The accusation that Burke somehow was this violent 9-year-old, 60-pound child and he bashed in JonBenét's head and that Patsy and I staged the whole thing to protect him is laughable."

"I know people think I did it; that my parents did it," Burke told Dr. Phil (via E! News). "I know that we were suspects."

That theory, "blows my mind," he said (via Bustle). "You won't find any evidence because that's not what happened." Burke noted, "There's been a few people who've said it's not even physically possible for a nine-year-old to do that."

https://www.nickiswift.com/24575/things-didnt-know-jonbenet-ramseys-brother/?utm_campaign=clip

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You should watch the three part mini series on CBS. The investigation was analyzed by a team of FBI agents. The amount of evidence against Burke is overwhelming. I can't possibly argue with the FBI agents. They are experts after all. They all think Burke did it. This investigative show totally convinced me that Burke is guilty. He didn't intentionally want to kill her; he was only mad and hit her on the head with a flashlight. He couldn't have possibly have known that a blow to the head with a flashlight would kill somebody. This was purely an accident and being that John and Patsy were prominent and important people in society, they did everything they could to cover up this crime and protect Burke. I strongly urge to watch this show. It came out I think in the year 2016.

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The Burke theory is not new. It's been done to death. What kills it is the strength of the DNA evidence.

DNA was found on at least two separate garments. It's a major reach to claim both of these garments were packaged at the same time, same factory, and same exact person. C'mon. That's already making the assumption that both of these garments were brand new, never washed, just out of the package that day. The DNA in the panties had a mixture of DNA from an unknown male AND Jon Benet that also matched the unknown male DNA found on the leggings. Do you really think this unknown DNA mixed with Jon Benets found in at least two separate garments was the result of the manufacturing process? That's what the theory would force you to believe if you think the parents did it, and it just defies belief.

What I really don't like, and I've seen this a lot on these crime shows, is how once cops decide they think someone is guilty everything they do is confirmation bias that just confirms their conclusion. If they hire a lawyer they must be guilty; but if they cooperate, they must be trying to convince the police they are innocent when they are really guilty! If they don't cry, sign of guilt but if they cry too much, they're acting because they're guilty. It's insane.

So I tend to disregard whatever is said on how they think a 9 year old should act. There is no one set way on how people react to trauma. What's most important is the hard evidence, and in this case the attempts to discredit the same male DNA on two articles of clothing just aren't believable.

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Do you have ideas of who killed her? The only one other person I can think of is that Santa Clause guy who visited the children when the Ramseys had a party for all the kids in the neighborhood. He gave JonBenet a note (that was found in her bedroom) that was written to JonBenet. It said that he was going to give her a special gift the night of Christmas. Every time I think about it, it just seems creepy and suspicious to me. The police questioned him but he had an alibi that night; of course maybe the alibi lied to protect him??? Who knows???? The documentary I watched was very convincing that Burke committed the crime but I wasn't there so I can only theorize about what happened. These are the only two people I have suspected. Burke more than the Santa Clause guy though....

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The police were so hyper-focused on the Ramseys that it's impossible to know. The fact that they knew the DNA evidence cleared them after two weeks but didn't forward that report to the DA for seven months speaks for itself. When the Ramsey attorney threatened to sue the city of Boulder, only then did the DA meet and admit that it was true. Boulder police were out of control trying to target the Ramseys and issued a public apology.

It could have been Santa Claus, but based on what we know of the Boulder police, they never followed up on the alibi to ensure it was solid.

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Figures. Like you said, the police totally screwed up the case.

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My best guess, is that none of the 3-4 immediate non-family suspects like Santa Claus did it because they were all cleared by DNA. But one of them might have known who had done it in some type of deliberate collaboration or even just incidentally.

The housekeeper had a key and immediately fingered Patsy in testimony as to who she suspected did it. She asked for a loan a couple days before the murder that Patsy turned down. She and her husband were cleared by the DNA, but perhaps she knew the bonus figure John was due to receive from seeing the letter while cleaning, and recruited an accomplice to extort the Ramseys. Say the accomplice was an ex-con and pedophile while the housekeeper had no idea of his past history and had no intention of anything more than blackmail in mind. But maybe that accomplice took things too far.

The electrician in a dispute with the Ramseys was pretty sketchy too but he killed himself two days after police announced they had zeroed in on a new suspect. Even though he was cleared by DNA, maybe he had known or collaborated with the person who did do it. Unfortunately it's hard to have any faith in the Boulder police to know how deeply they explored these leads when they bungled so much from the start.

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Please check out the "Phantom of Heilbronn" and you'll see that that DNA does NOT have to be from an intruder. And just because DNA was found in the blood sample, does not mean it was in the blood itself. It could've come from the fabric underneath it. The DNA was discovered through touch DNA technology, which picks up on the tiniest bit of DNA, like skin cells or specks of saliva.

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