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The holocaust wasnt about race?


Exactly why you dont put a microphone in front of an old lady 5x a week. You'll get the dumbest things.

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I'm amazed at the amount of ignorance on this subject. Being Jewish is NOT a race. Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity. The irony that the right wants to cancel her for stating something factual is laughable. Idiots!😂😂😂

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Not entirely true. There is a racial element to every ethnicity. Jews are genetically related to each other to the point of suffering genetic diseases from the lack of genetic diversity.

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All Jews aren't genetically related to each other. What you speak of is only true for a very specific sub-ethnicity (Ashkenazi) of Jews. Just because there's some overlap and relationship between race and ethnicity doesn't mean that ethnicity is synonymous with race. There are Jews of every race.

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Ashkenazi Jews make up something like 75% of all Jews. Overwhelming majority of Jews in the US are Ashkenazi. I never said ethnicity is synonymous with race. I said there is a genetic element to ethnicity. Ashkenazi Jews are as closely related to each other as fifth cousins. They are essentially a race.

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Hitler certainly thought of them as a race, and was RACIST in his actions.

The current American definition of "racism" doesn't typically include Jews, so in a very narrow sense, I can see Whoopi's point. (But please don't tell anyone!). The European definition of RACISM has always been more broad, to include {blacks, gypsies, Turks, Jews, Muslims, etc.}.

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Exactly. Hitler and the rest of the Nazis saw them as a race more than a religion (they're both), but that's not the point.

Goldberg didn't get called out for arguing that Jews aren't a race, she got called out for saying the holocaust wasn't based on race and racial hatred.



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It's certainly true that HILTER hated more than just the JEWS, but it was PRIMARILY the Jews. He felt that Germans were the Superior race. Whoopie just has an uneducated, Americanized, incorrect view that "racism" is only Whites vs. Blacks, or visible via Skin Color.

Although Jews were the primary victims of the Nazi’s evil, many other groups were targeted based on both racial and political grounds. Other groups singled out by the Nazis included LGBTQ individuals, the physically and mentally disabled, Roma (gypsies), Poles and other Slavic peoples, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and members of political opposition groups. However tragic, these non-Jewish victims are typically not considered victims of the Holocaust. According to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial Museum in Jerusalem, “By the 1950s, the English term Holocaust came to be employed as the term for the murder of the Jews in Europe by the Nazis. Although the term is sometimes used with reference to the murder of other groups by the Nazis, strictly speaking, those groups do not belong under the heading of the Holocaust, nor are they included in the generally accepted statistic of six million victims of the Holocaust.”

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust

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It's amazing the amount of ignorance and uneducated takes present on this board. Being Jewish is NOT A RACE. Judaism is a religion and being a Jew is an ethnicity or ethnic identity. The fact that many want to cancel her for stating something factual is laughable. Idiots!

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I kind of understand her point of view. From the perspective of Blacks, Jews are just White people with yarmulkes.

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That wasn't her point though. She wasn't arguing whether Jews are a race or not (which, although wrong could at least be debated), she was arguing that the Nazi's motivations were not based on race, which is incorrect.

The Nazis rounded up and killed Jews whether they were practicing Jews or not, plus others like Slavs and Gypsies. They considered themselves the master "race". Jews were not part of that.

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Exactly!

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Wrong, that was her point of view. She is Black. In her mind Jews are White so the Holocaust was White on White.

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That makes her wrong on two points.

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Her logic is dumb though and racism is not necessarily differences in skin colour only.

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She’s a moronic buffoon and your average Democrat lemming. Why’s anyone surprised?

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Evidently she doesn't give a shit about other people's troubles unless they're about her or other black people. I honestly found it insulting for her to basically say "It doesn't matter if one group of white people murders another group of 'white' people." That whole "man's inhumanity to man" is sooooo cliche, something she stole from a book some famous guy wrote who was smarter than her. It's one reason black people think that murdering each other in places like Shitcongo "doesn't count" compared to white people killing their kind, even though murder in general is not okay.

I'm not buying the apologies, by the way. She just said them as part of her "cover her ass" insurance. Evidently she forgot what kind of people are running most of Hollyweird. Only reason she wasn't fired outright was because she's a Democrap.

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