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Car dealerships forcing financing.


It has been a few years since I've bought a car. Been in the market for a used vehicle, and I want to pay cash for it. I've only been to two different dealerships so far, but both have said that HAVE to finance through them. So I've walked away.

I just looked it up, and there are no regulations in my area barring this. Even if I do decide to put as much down as they will allow, and then pay the rest off right away, they can charge me $1000 for an early pay off.

This is so frustrating and I am annoyed.

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You better off buying a new car. Used car prices are as much as new cars.

Signed, million man

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The last car I bought was new, and it was less money than most used cars these days. I know what I want, and I can afford a used one. I just think it's bullshit that a business can force you to finance. Could you imagine if every retail business used this model.

It's not that I can't finance. I just don't see why I should have to pay 10k more for a car because of interest when I don't have to.

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Used car dealerships are shady as fuck. Be careful. Maybe find one being sold by a private seller?

Signed, million man

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Yeah, well these aren't specifically for used cars. I've been looking privately as well, and I may end up going that route. I'm just really annoyed that a business can force you to finance.

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What car are you looking at?

Signed, million man

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Audi Q5 around 2020

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I wouldn't recommend it.

Signed, million man

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Why not?

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High repair costs. Look up how much 1 tire costs. Those are cars you drive while it has warranty and unload it as soon as it expires

Signed, million man

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I've had a couple of audis in the past and yes, repair costs are more expensive, but my 2006 S4 is still going great.

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Well do what you want. Since you had Audi before you know what to expect. I'm not a fan of pricey car repairs. I drive 600 miles a week easy and like to keep my costs down. I got a 2020 elantra and am probably going to trade it in for a 2024 this weekend


Signed, million man

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I hate having consistent car payments. The 10k that they wanted me to finance, at their rate and loan length would have cost me 10k. I could use that money to repair my car if needed.

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Best thing to do is get a loan from your bank to just straight up buy the car on the spot. And also be sure to take it to your mechanic for a shake down first. I drive customer's Audis and I'm not really impressed by them. I like my Hyundai

Signed, million man

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I don't need a loan though. I have the money.

I'm not 100% set on audi, and I'm looking at other cars too. I don't really have a brand. My brother's wife has a Q5 as her work car, and I've liked driving it, it has the towing capacity I need, and I can afford one. But like I said, I don't have brand loyalty. I just know that I'm not buying another Kia. :)

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Yeah they just making sure they get their commission, so you will pay extra either way. In my opinion you should get something cheaper and save some money. But then again it's all junk anyway, not built to last.


Signed, million man

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My experience with cheaper cars is that I end up putting more money into them. That's just been my experience though.

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I can see it.

Signed, million man

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That's what I did with the SUV purchase I mentioned here. I took it to my local garage, had a mechanic test drive it with me along for the ride. He gave it a clean bill of health, which cinched the deal for me, but he also tried to talk me into buying a pickup truck he had for sale instead.😁

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This is, somewhat surprisingly, illegal in the US.

Car dealers cannot force you to finance the purchase of a new vehicle if you prefer to pay the full price in cash. Dealers may try to persuade someone into financing--because they can make additional 💵💵 through finance charges and potential kickbacks from the lenders--but they cannot legally require anyone to finance the purchase if you want to pay in full with cash.

I'm surprised this is ok in Canada. I would be frustrated too. Like, really frustrated.

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No, I (she) mean paying cash.

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But that's still illegal in the US, too; they can't force you to finance a purchase through them if you've already secured financing elsewhere. The dealers will try to persuade you to finance through them, but they can't make you or deny your purchase if you finance it another way.

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I am surprised too. I was thinking that if I can't find what I want and want to get something new I was going to use my line of credit to pay the rest, but I do want to just pay cash.

I've been asking around about it, and a friend was going to buy a car for his daughter. 8k. Wanted to pay cash, and they told him he had to finance it too. So it's not just me.

I think this might not be all dealerships, as my mom bought a car a couple of years ago on her line of credit. This may be a post covid issue, but it is really, really annoying.

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I wonder if this is some sort of sales trick. I'm thinking you might hear from them again after a while, and they will suddenly be willing to accept whatever payment method you offer.

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Oh, I did hear back from one. They were like, no we can let you pay cash, but I was already too pissed off that I had to be on my way out for them to tell me they could do it. I told them they were too dishonest for me to deal with. I told them straight out of the gate what my budget was and that I wanted to pay cash.

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You did the right thing.

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I agree, that is seriously screwed up! Years ago I bought a really nice, 4WD SUV from a used car dealer who wanted me to finance through his dealership. I got him to agree to my terms, by offering him a hefty down payment and suggesting I wanted to finance the rest through my credit union. My credit union was impressed with the down payment, the status of my account there, my monthly income and granted the loan immediately. I ended up paying off that loan with a lump sum a year early and made that vehicle last for well over 10 years. I'm glad I don't live in Canada.

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This is new to me. I bought my last new car in 2010 and made a good down payment, then used my line of credit the rest. Zero issues with that.

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So full of shit, you 'win' in all of your stories.
Phony punk.

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😏 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk I've already told you at least a couple of times now that I've been playing you like a fiddle and you're still too stupid to see it. 😁

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No, you are just a douchebag making yourself the angry idiot.
Gotcha.

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"Douchebag." What a weak insult coming from the angry idiot who brags about carrying a framing hammer in his vehicle and fantasizes about using it on other motorists. 🙄😁. You've been trying to mischaracterize me as a perpetually angry person for years and now you're flip-flopping, suggesting I'm making myself appear that way. And you wonder why I think of you as inconsistent and stupid. 😄

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So angry LOL!
Keep ranting old boy, but mind your heart:)

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So consistently delusional with your non-existent victories. 😄

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You even win over yourself fake mojo?
Amazing.

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I blame the democrats and Biden. They forced all car companies to produce Electric cars only which are bad for the environment because Lithium batteries cannot be recycled. Not to mention you can't go on long trips with them very well cause of how long it takes to charge them. And by making them produce nothing but that they have made it so poorer people can't buy cars. What a bunch of unthinking jerks!

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Yeah, I don't live in the US, so I don't give a shit about your politics. I live in a province that has had a conservative government for 49 out of the last 55 years, so I don't blame this on liberals.

You can take this shit to the politics board.

Thanks.

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Sorry. I assumed you lived in the U.S. I can't know where every poster is from unless they tell me.

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I can't know where every poster is from unless they tell me.


Yet you just assumed and made it political.

If you had read any of the comments, Canada was mentioned. More than once.

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Once again, sorry. I'm a conservative and my country is mostly run by leftists who can't stand anyone being a conservative.

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And it seems that you can't stand Liberals. So what's the difference?

This post wasn't political and didn't need your politics brought into it.

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What does any of that have to do with Canadian lending regulations?

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General Discussion
Talk about anything here...except politics.

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You should stop blaming Biden and the Democrats for all your problems. Then your life would vastly improve.

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It’s especially shady if they got you in there by advertising a certain price and then failed to mention they’d reject cash offers. An offeror should have the right to set the terms of the deal he wants but its false advertising for a dealership to quote a price without including the true amount with forced financing.

If you love the car and the dealership really wants the sale but they need that $1200 commission from the lender with whom you’re forced to finance, it seems you have the bargaining power to negotiate a price discount that’s the equivalent to the interest penalty you’ll be paying.

Then, you can console yourself that your payments over the years will save you money. Due to the effects of inflation, the installment payments over time will have lower value than you would have originally spent with a lump sum cash payment in 2024.

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Keep the purchase price of the car separate from the financing. They can play with the number of payments and payment amounts and confuse the actual amount you are paying for the vehicle. Only get a “simple interest” loan and learn how a loan amortization calculation works. You can do this in MS Excel or any spreadsheet program or financial calculator. Avoid loans that use methods like the “Rule of 78s” or other schemes to calculate interest. Stick with “simple interest” loans. Monthly payments include both principal paydown and interest. The payment amount is usually a fixed amount. But the percentage of the payment that goes towards principal paydown vs interest changes over time. At the beginning most of the payment goes to interest. When you do an amortization calculation in a spreadsheet program you can see exactly how much of each payment goes towards principal reduction vs interest.

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I do know how to figure out interest, my concern is just that I don't want to finance something, and I shouldn't be forced to.

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the last new car i bought was from a dealership and i paid cash. they had no problem taking the money.

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How long ago was that may I ask?

Like I said in another comment, my mom bought a car about 2-3 years ago and paid cash as well. My last new car I paid cash. This was new to me which is why I'm so annoyed. I did a google check on it and something in the Globe and Mail from 2022 with someone else asking the question. Which is how I found out that rules vary from province to province, but no jurisdictions explicitly ban forced financing.

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2015

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That's wild. Seems like a good way to drive away customers. I bought a used car from a dealership about four years ago and ended up paying it off early. I hope this doesn't become the standard.

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