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Male name first on so many name-name based titles?


Is it a coincidence or what?

Some examples (30):

Buster and Billie (1974)
Homer and Eddie (1989)
Mad Dog and Glory (1993)
Mr. & Mrs. Smith (2005)
Sam & Kate (2022)
Ben and Kate (2012-2013)
Will & Grace (1998-2020)
Mike & Molly (2010-2016)
Zack and Miri Make a Porno (2008)
Gavin & Stacey (2007-2019)
Romeo and Juliet (****)
Tin & Tina (2023)
Mork & Mindy (1978-1982)
Harold and Maude (1971)
McMillan & Wife (1971-1977)
Jack and Jill (2011)
Henry & June (1990)
Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (1969)
Austin & Ally (2011-2016)
Malcolm & Marie (2021)
Sid and Nancy (1986)
Benny & Joon (1993)
John and Julie (1955)
Samson and Delilah (1949)
Bailey & Darla (2020)
The Ballad of Jack and Rose (2005)
George and Tammy (2022-2023)
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023)
Percy Jackson & the Lightning Thief (2010)
The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl 3-D (2005)

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Anyone?

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It's the Patriarchy!

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Thats the way it was .
no reason it has to stay that way .
I guess its so inconsequential no one cares .

I would not mind in the slightest if that were to change,
but there would be outrage in certain dark corners of the internet.

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Thats the way it was .

Seems true for many new titles as well.

...outrage in certain dark corners of the internet.

Sounds serious?

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Interesting point. Hahaha.

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Husband and Wife

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Spouse and spouse.

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Spouse and spouse sounds ridiculous.

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That's what I said when I saw a friend's marriage license and it says Spouse A and Spouse B

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Tradition, convention (which doesn't mean it's 'bad'). It just sounds... right, like man and woman, Mr and Mrs. Woman and man, Mrs and Mr sound wrong.

OTH, ladies and gentlemen sounds right (sounds dumb the other way around). Girls and boys/boys and girls sounds right either way.

I don't think it's something that needs challenging!!! in the name of equality. It just is what it is.

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DOES NOT NEED CHALLENGING...BUT ALL OF YOUR EXAMPLES SOUND FINE SAID EITHER WAY...YOU ARE JUST USED TO THE FIRST WAY.

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No, that may be true for you. For me, they don't sound right the other way.

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You seem to be resistant to the idea that what sounds right to you might be heavily influenced by what sounds familiar to you/us.

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Not resistant to the principle (I considered it). But I know me. For example, if I invent a company name of... Dawson & Farrow. I've never heard of a company with that name, to my knowledge I've never heard those two names put together in any context. But I know that Dawson & Farrow sounds a hell of a lot better to me than Farrow & Dawson. It may sound better the other way round to someone else, and some people may have no preference at all. But I know which one sounds better to me.

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🤣

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I'm gonna guess that considered response took a lot more time and effort on your part than mine did for me.

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YOU USED 100 WORDS TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID TO BEGIN WITH...THAT WAS FUNNY...THUS THE 🤣

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In no way did I repeat what you said to begin with.

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"YOU ARE JUST USED TO THE FIRST WAY."

" It may sound better the other way round to someone else, and some people may have no preference at all. But I know which one sounds better to me."

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I gave an example of two names that I've never knowingly heard put together, and that I'm therefore not used to hearing in either order. But I still have a preference.

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THAT WAS NOT THE TOPIC...IT WAS ESTABLISHED SAYINGS...LIKE LADIES & GENTLEMEN...AND HOW THEY SOUND WRONG THE OTHER WAY AROUND...I SAID THEY DO NOT SOUND WRONG...YOU ARE JUST USED TO HEARING THEM THE STANDARD WAY...YOU THEN SAID...

" It may sound better the other way round to someone else, and some people may have no preference at all. But I know which one sounds better to me."

AND IT SOUNDS BETTER TO YOU BECAUSE THAT IS HOW YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO HEARING IT.

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You said my preference was because I was used to hearing them that way round. I said no, sometimes words just sound right a certain way, and I illustrated the point by giving an example of two words that I'm in no way used to hearing either way round - but that I still have a preferred order for. They don't sound better that way because I'm accustomed to hearing them that way, because I've never heard them that way.

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AND WE ARE BACK TO...🤣

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And we are back to... In no way did I repeat what you said to begin with.

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🙂WHATEVER YOU SAY,FRIEND.

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Peace out 🙏

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Do you use Mr and Mrs Kowalski?

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It just is what it is.

Like, for real? Historically, that mindset hasn't "worked well".

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Not when something does need challenging, no.

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Probably has a lot to do with the history of crediting actors by name, aka billing, in Hollywood. Studios originally didn't want to bill actors coz it meant they'd become more well known to the public and thus be able to negotiate for better salaries depending on popularity. Actors were often known by the (insert adjective/noun) kid or the (insert adjective/noun) girl, so people generally recognized them, but they weren't "big names" in Hollywood. Some of them didn't want to become well-known or known by name, so it wasn't all bad. This changed in the 50s, I think. So of course, male actors were better and more easily able to negotiate and fight for their right to be billed, and then to be billed first. Hence the tradition of male actors and so male characters almost always being credited first. Seems this has also carried into novel titles, weirdly, though when it comes to letter writing or wedding invitations, women are traditionally listed first on the envelope or the invitation.

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In a lot of those examples it simply sounds better - "Grace & Will" doesn't have the same ring to it, "Nancy and Sid" kind of works but not really, also keep in mind Sid was the "star", Nancy was just there so it's only fair Sid goes first.

Some of the others aren't obvious in terms of male and female, for example "Mad Dog and Glory" Glory could just as easily be male in any case "Glory and Mad Dog" doesn't sound right.

"Sam & Kate" could be two females, Samantha and Kate, likewise "Bailey and Darla".

Who is the draw card in these? No one tuned in to see Mindy in Mork and Mindy, Will & Grace was about a gay man a new-ish topic at the time to see on tv.

On the flip side I am willing to wager there are more films and tv shows with just a female name as title or part of the title than there is films and tv shows with just a male name as the title or part thereof.



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"Sam & Kate" could be two females, Samantha and Kate, likewise "Bailey and Darla".

Sam the character is male.
Bailey the character is male.

..."Mad Dog and Glory" Glory could just as easily be male...

Glory the character is female.
Historically "Glory" is recognized as a female name.
https://nameberry.com/babyname/glory

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Try saying "Gentlemen & Ladies"

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Germs and ladies is equally difficult and also unfunny.

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