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The countdown for the Ukraine War has started


Let's make some predictions. And I'm usually right.

Today, Iran closed the pipeline that supplies Turkey, which has caused massive blackouts in the country. Iran is a Russian ally. Turkey controls the access the Black Sea. This is a way to warn Turkey not to interfere.

The thaw begins in a few weeks, and that will make movement of troops way more complicated. If Russia launches an attack, it has to be in the next two weeks. What's the best moment? A Blitzkrieg initial attack to break through Ukrainian defenses would take about a week. You have Full Moon in February 1th, which benefits Russia, so the attack should be launched 2-4 days before it, to make the most of it.

The war will start likely between January 28th and January 30th.

I wouldn't be worried about a WW3, though. In 3-4 weeks Russia could control East Ukraine. Perhaps they'll control Odessa and the Black Sea coast, or perhaps not. I think Russian will try. Maybe they'll succeed, maybe not. Controlling East Ukraine is more or less a done job, though. Ukrainian army has zero chances of stopping Russia. And what's more: they know it, that's why Ukraine has concentrated its army in the west part of the country, giving up the east one.

The war will stagnate once the thaw begins, which is gonna happen in March. Then it'll be up to diplomats. Chances are the new status quo will be East Ukraine becoming part of Russia, the Dnieper being the new boundary between Russia and Ukraine, and this last one remaining independent, but much smaller.

Good news is that since the new Ukrainian boundary wouldn't be close to Moscow anymore, Russia would be less worried about a post-war mini-Ukraine entering the NATO. Both Europe and Russia are interested in doing business, so in 1-2 years the relation could go much smoother and less conflictive than today.

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. . . “except politics.” Is there sketching ambiguous about that phrase? Or do you just not care?

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Wait a minute! You didn't put kukuxu on your ignore list??

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Nobody puts kukuxu in the corner 💃

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No one seems to know what that phrase means.

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Politics means politics. Parties, elected officials, candidates, etc. It does not mean anything that might have a political dimension, like current news topics in international affairs or contentious social issues.

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I think this is all a ploy to sell even more weapons.

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That's a good assessment. There is no reason to think that Russia will not do it. They marched on Georgia. Remember that? That was pretty recent. The world threatened Russia with "anger" and mean words. After Russia does this, look for China to make its move on Taiwan but via cyber-war. 72 hours of no power and internet in Taiwan will set up the "Savior China" narrative that so many will push and believe.

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Taiwanese companies supply 63 percent of global semiconductors, compared with 12 percent by U.S. manufacturers, which makes it a far more sinister scenario.

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Practically 100% of laptops sold around the world are made by Taiwanese companies. Yes, including Apple's.

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It supplies virtually all the chips that we use for our military; without Taiwanese chips, the West is screwed.

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Intel chips are made in Malaysia tho'.

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You’ll have to forgive my ignorance - I have a friend who is the CTO of a well known tech company, who I get all my tech info from (because he knows infinitely more about this stuff than me).

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Putin should make a move soon. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense. Why cutting off gas? Why moving all the pieces in the chessboard? Russian allies are making moves: Turkey is moving. Argelia is moving. Putin got nothing until now. If he doesn't attack, why he escalated in first place?

And the window is closing. End of February, it'll be too late. The thaw starts in a few weeks, and once it starts, movement of troops is gonna be impossible. If Russia doesn't attack in the next two weeks, then they should wait until summer. Having troops stuck in Ukrainian border for months? Morale would sink.

Putin doesn't take a shit without a plan. Making all these moves and then retreat with nothing? That would be plain stupid. Putin is the smarter leader in the G8 by far. I don't agree with his political views, but one thing is sure: he's damn competent.

Regarding China... I don't think it's gonna take Taiwan... yet. US still has a strong military power, and it would go to war. The country is declining fast, though. Why you would engage a war with US right now when you only need to wait a few decades until the country collapses socially and economically? Chinese mind is extremely patient. Sun Tzu wrote "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by". China only needs to wait and US will float down the river, being just another failed Latin American state.

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It certainly is a tough dynamic.

Ukraine and other small former satellites do not want to be bullied and threatened and influenced by Russia.but this sort of Realpolitik influence always happens and every country does it.

Russia doesn't want to be surrounded by NATO bases which you bet your bottom dollar the USA would not accept if Mexico and Canada became Chinese allies.

I heard a quote once where someone said "the US sees all acts by another country in their own defence as a threat to the United States of America"

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Russia doesn't want to be surrounded by NATO bases which you bet your bottom dollar the USA would not accept if Mexico and Canada became Chinese allies.

You don't need to bet. White House stated two weeks ago that US would attack if Russia decided to deploy troops in Cuba or Venezuela.

https://www.efe.com/efe/america/mundo/ee-uu-actuara-de-forma-decisiva-si-rusia-lleva-misiles-a-venezuela-o-cuba/20000012-4717131

I'm sorry the link is in Spanish. EFE is the 4th biggest news agency in the world and the most important one in Spanish ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFE ). That piece of news was completely ignored by American media.

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So they aren't even hiding it? Not saying Russia isn't an aggressive bully who wants to influence its neighbours in its backyard, but then again what does the USA do?

It is like two unsavoury people fighting it out and you don't want to cheer for either one. Of course the US media ignored it, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, OAN doesn't matter, they all agree with aggressive US policy for the most part. You can disagree with the other party but don't question the expansionist empire. Just ask Phil Donahue who was apparently on the "left wing" MSNBC how that worked out

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Alien vs Predator. Whoever wins... we lose.

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Haha very true. Although Russia is a has been great power barely able to project its power further than its backyard (except through cyberattacks and spycraft).

While the US is a failing Hegemon who basically handed china the mantle and sowed the seeds for its own destruction

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the second russia attacks ukraine and binds american troops, china will invade taiwan.
ww3 is already going on, since china released corona

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Then Argentina will take Port Stanley! 💥

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Is this the final countdown? 🤔

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Yes, and we're heading to Venus.

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And still we stand tall.

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