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Could I have already had the coronavirus?


Never considered the possibility until I read a link Damo posted last night, which sensibly listed the symptoms that are most common and specific to this virus. All the other things I've read about the symptoms were very generic.

This started with a sore throat (common), quickly progressed to a severe dry cough (very uncommon in my experience), no runny nose (that was a first), fever, serious shortness of breath (never experienced this before), exhaustion, and lasted two weeks. The exhaustion lasted for about three weeks. I'd sleep 12 hours, get up for a few hours and want to go back to bed. Very weird for me.

I got it about a month ago.

The thing is, if it is what I had, it's probably good news for me, but it'd mean it's already arrived here and no one knows. I don't know what to do.

Recently I found out my beloved doctor moved out of state, so I don't have a doctor to call. I'm also not sure I want to go to a doctor or clinic in this environment. Or if there is a test that would show I had it or not that long ago.

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I had something similar that is still here.

I was calling it the Schlitzvirus on facebook.

That's because I had a vicious case of The Schlitiz as well.

I have had very bad fatigue, a hoarse voice, congestion, a dry feeling throat, stuff in my lungs, and if I would eat the smallest thing, in a few minutes I would need a bathroom or very poor results would occur. I drive around Philly all day some days for work, so imagine that. I was actually starving myself to avoid bathroom use.

So, I clearly had the Schlitzvirus, but I have also suspected I had corona or some coincidental virus.

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I had a stomach flu that was similar to yours, but not as severe. But those aren't the symptoms specific to the coronavirus 19. The ones I posted in the OP are.

I remembered a local place I could call, and come in for a test if they have such a test that could detect if I'd had it or not, retrospectively. A nurse is going to be calling me back.

I just think people should know if in reality it's been here as long ago as over a month, and no one knows.

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I am curious so please keep us posted.

My Schlitz is mega annoying. I had to do an hour drive to a place, got super hungry, had a small snack, then luckily made it home before the Schlitz Apocalypse happened in my car.

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How long have you had this flu? It sounds awful.

A nurse called me back but wasn't very helpful. There's nothing set up for testing to see if people *had* the virus. Such a test isn't even available in the US, but is elsewhere in the world. Kuku found that info, the nurse didn't know any of this and didn't seem interested in finding out if it's already been here for over a month or not, and if so, the survival rate is going to be higher than what they now think. Oh well, I tried.

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I looked up the actual symptoms of corona today.

I noticed the media kept reporting "it's spreading!" and "They have it!" but they weren't saying WHAT they have. When Ebola was around they couldn't stop talking about what happens. So, that told me corona doesn't do much.

Then, I saw Tom Hanks had it and described the flu.

I then looked up the real symptoms and they are mild. I have had every one of them.

I think I got it visiting this prison, but I'm all around Philly.

I have been bundling up and going to the gym. My symptoms are very after a week of very warm workouts.

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This is the site that (sensibly) lists all the common symptoms of the virus, from most to least common by percentages: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19

It's very long so do a word search for "symptoms of COVID-19" to go to it.

Even the CDC site, weirdly, only describes the symptoms very generally, as fever and cough. In a mild case, yes the symptoms are mild, but there are also aggressive, deadly cases, and everything in between. Sometimes there are *no* symptoms! So, it's a very wide range.

I understand why you want to bundle up and go to the gym, but you're exposing others to what you have, and exposing yourself to whatever anyone at your gym has, including this coronavirus.

I found out today that the powers that be in my county have tested a total of THREE people since this began! They are not testing because the tests are too expensive. What's worse is they refuse to declare a state of emergency until they have FIVE confirmed cases, but they're not testing! On top of this the City Council and head of Public Health both say they know the virus is here.

Jesus Effing Christ.

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One confirmed case in my town. Male in his early 30s with no underlying health issues.

He's been hospitalized and he says it's 10x worse than flu.

One confirmed death in my county. 69 yr old male with underlying health issues -- diabetes and hypertension. Started with fever and cough.

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Weird that there's such a wide range, from no symptoms at all to 10x worse than the flu, and death. Especially since that guy was young and had no health issues, yet was still hit very hard with it.

Where are you, east, west, centre? I know you're somewhere in the US.

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NY metropolitan area. They just announced the closing of schools, libraries, community centers tonight. I expected my area to get hit hard from the start. Only a matter of time.

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Oh yeah, dense population. It'd have been a miracle if there were no cases of it there. I think those closings are sensible. Haven't heard if they've done that here or not.

I still can't believe they're holding off on taking action like that until they get confirmed cases when they're not testing people to confirm it. WTH kind of leadership do we have here? No wonder they were disinterested when I called asking about a test to see if what I had over a month ago was corona 19.

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My Mayor set up a conference call for all residents tomorrow evening.

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Good.

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He's been hospitalized and he says it's 10x worse than flu.

If he had been hospitalized because of the flu, he would say that what he have is 10x worse than flue.

Respiratory viruses have a wide range of severity, from asymptomatic, to very mild, mild and severe. It's like a lottery. Unless you have a severe one, you won't go to the Hospital. So, obviously, people who have been hospitalized will think that what they have is much worse. It's not. It's just that they got the black lottery ticket this time. It's an statistical problem known as "survivor bias".

The real problem here is that we don't have herd immunity, so it can spread really fast, much faster than the flu. And because of that, it can reach a big percentage of population in a short period of time, which will saturate Hospitals. But in a case per case basis, it's not much worse than the flu.

Here you have an outbreak of flu in a cruise ship. The final fatality rate was similar to the one in the Diamond Princess
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3865717?seq=1

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On a more hopeful note, the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN has developed a Covid-19 test that gives results in 24 hours. It has been submitted to the FDA for approval. Let's hope things move quickly. We really need to know just how widespread this virus is in order to plan the way forward.

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-develops-test-to-detect-covid-19-infection/

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That is good news. I just hope that the stupid powers that be here will get it on and start testing people! Even using the current tests that take longer to get the complete results is better than nothing. 24 hours would be great!

Totally agree, we need to know how widespread it is, and how many people have already had it and recovered.

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It does feel like more companies, organizations, schools, government offices, etc. are hunkering down and figuring out what needs to be done to keep people as safe as possible. We can never be completely safe, but there are some common sense measures that can be taken to lessen the risk to everyone. The biggest issue may be getting everyone on board and following the guidelines put out by medical experts. That will be the challenge.

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It does, and that's great. But the PTB are seriously failing where I live.

I don't know if you read my experience today at the grocery store with the woman who was talking to me within a foot from my face or not, but she was a prime example of not being on board! A pretty extreme example. Someone mentioned people who've been diagnosed with it who are going out to concerts and the like, which is unbelievable to me. Hopefully these people are and will be few and far between.

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Apparently they thought they'd contained it with the first 30 patients in South Korea, but then the 31st patient showed up, and she'd been in contact with over a thousand people while contagious.

https://www.todayonline.com/world/explainer-what-behind-sudden-surge-Covid-19-cases-south-korea-secretive-sect-patient-31

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Wow, that was an interesting read. Thanks.

Her church doesn't recognise being sick as a valid reason to not attend, and she thought she just had a cold = being in contact with 1000+ people and infecting a good number of them.

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I always wear gloves in the gym due to not wanting to rip my hands up. So, I'm not touching anything.

Also, I believe this a "cold" hyped by the media.

On a positive note, after 6 days of good workouts, I feel a lot better. Bathroom stuff still active though.

I always exercise extra when sick, it tend to work great, and Harvard medical is recommending it.

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"Also, I believe this a "cold" hyped by the media. "

People don't end up on ventilators with a cold.

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Yeah they do.

Each year in the US something like 25,000 to 50,000 people die from the flu per year.

Also year this guy my gf knows died from the flu. That was the first time I heard that one and I've worked in healthcare a long time with some grungy people.

This guy was fat, smoked, and was only about 41.

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You:
"I believe this a "cold" hyped by the media."
"...25,000 to 50,000 people die from the flu per year. "

A cold is not the flu.

Coronavirus is 10x deadlier than the flu.

Any researcher with two eyes and a microscope can see the obvious differences between COVID-19 and other viruses including the common cold and flu.

You have a false sense of security if you believe only unhealthy people will die or become extremely ill from this.

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Exactly. A cold is not the flu. And people don't end up on a respirator with a cold. I'm hopeful that the death rate will drop once we know for sure (via testing) how many people actually have it and how many have died. We just don't know how widespread it really is in the US due to a lack of testing.

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I am clearly using the word "cold" to illustrate the mundane nature of the symptoms people have been getting.

The CDC stats are that there's 2500 cases and 2200 of those people have mild symptoms, which are like a cold.

The CDC also point out that the flu kills about 50k a year. SO THEY are saying the flu is worse.

GO AND READ ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF SITTING THERE IMAGINING YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.

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When the WHO declares a virus a pandemic, and the president of your country (who's been foot-dragging) declares said country is in a state of emergency, it's time to take your head out of the sand, face reality, and take appropriate action.

This is not a cold. It's not hyped by the media, although I admit that's what I thought at first too.

Even you thought you may have it, and you may; we don't know. Either way you're sick, exhibiting symptoms, and are contagious, yet are going out in public, to a gym. You have no way of knowing how many people you've infected already, whether what you have is the corona19 or another flu.

Don't be a jerk, TheAdlerian, be a decent, responsible member of society. This is serious. It's critical we stop the spread of this virus before things spiral. It's not all about you. I'm glad you're feeling better, and if you can find a way to exercise extra, while not infecting anyone else, go for it.

BTW this virus is airborne. It's spreading primarily through people coughing, sneezing, even breathing around others, from a distance of up to 10 feet.

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You're an ass.

READ THE FUCKING FACTS ABOUT THE DISEASE.

We have had numerous alerts about North Korea going to nuke us, then that goes away when actual news happens. We have had numerous viral pneumonia epidemics. We have had government "shut downs" where the government "has no money" and lots of situations. We have had SEVERAL economic crisis, what weren't real.

Most people have very poor memories and don't realize that nearly all of these things are done for political reasons. There's enough hype about this, as we can see from public behavior, that the government must act interested.

For instance, people WHO KNOW NOTHING went out and bought all the food and water and ran home. So, the President isn't going to say to nearly everyone YOU ARE IDIOTS because that will hurt him.

The facts about the disease are in. Many people have gotten over it and it is largely a mild cold.

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I'M the ass? Really.

I'm being responsible, I'm NOT going out in public while sick. That's you. You don't care because all you care about is YOU.

I've read the FUCKING FACTS about the disease. Obviously you haven't.

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If you read and research the symptoms it is a cold.

I researched case studies from Harvard Medical about people who died. As I've said, I knew a guy who died last year from the flu. He was an obese smoker. That is the kind of people who die. That, people who had lung cancer, diabetes, etc. These people die from colds and flues anyway.

Another interesting fact is that almost all flues come from China, from geese or farm animals. So, the guy last year died from Chinese flu, but you didn't hear about that.

So, each year it's "cold season" and people die and we go out.

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Unbelievable. We're done.

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You time would be best served by reading professional material about the topic.

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Why?? I asked for my "cold" shot at CVS earlier this year. When they said, don't you mean "flu" shot? I answered, "It's the same thing you retard!" Then I alluded to all my degrees, books I've read, and experience I've accumulated that most can only dream about. I thumbed through a Muscle & Fitness mag as I waited, good science in there.

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😂

I know, I know, you've studied the shite out of this and we should all trust you. Because reasons!

I see he's carried on, and has been digging himself a bigger hole today. Luckily I got extra popcorn at the store.

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I don’t use the f-bomb so I’ll just say you are a first class know it all jerk! If you are a man you are a first class know it all prick! You had no reason arse-hole to reply to Cat the way you did. We don’t need or want your type on this board. Please do us all a favor and crawl back under the rock you came from. I don’t usually get this angry or respond to someone like you, but I’m not going to sit here and let you get away with your ad hominem attack against one of the best posters and friends on this board. Damn you!

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NO YOU are a "Know it all prick" because you think you know it all. I am getting my info from the the CDC and Harvard medical.

Meanwhile, you are getting yours from the news and your imagination.

You don't want to do the research because you are enjoying the drama.

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Where do you think I got my info? From here Mr. Know It All

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html

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The CDC explains what you should do if you are sick:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/stop-the-spread-of-germs.pdf

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The same is said when you have a cold, right?

Stay home from work, but how many do? Is it necessary?

I for instance, cannot stay home from work.

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Coronavirus isn't a cold. Once again, people don't end up on ventilators with a cold.
This is a great chart which shows the different symptoms:
https://i.insider.com/5e6a58e684159f61963287a2?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Of course, it's necessary. It needs to be slowed down with fewer infections because there aren't enough ventilators, hospitals beds or medical staff to handle large numbers of sick. That's why so many Italians have died - not enough ventilators and hospital beds.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRfVdDjbIeoUu9OProE7xa4flAliRGSJpHZ8QOBSioe1qWwkA3Q

A watered down temporary paid sick leave bill just passed which covers only 20% or workers. Or you can wear a mask not to infect others.

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That is retarded.

As I keep telling people, read about it.

Out of 2500 cases 2200 people report MILD symptoms.

That is nearly 100% of the cases.

If we didn't have all of the these names and publicity it would be called a COLD.

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A cold doesn't kill people:
https://i.insider.com/5e6ab6c284159f61af0876e3?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

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A COLD is a generic term and as noted, people die to the tune of 50,000 per year because of them.

You don't hear that on the news and we aren't all told to stay home to stop that huge amount of yearly death.

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Because we haven't had a pandemic from the cold. The pandemic means it is spreading beyond control. Your average cold can't do that because it doesn't spread as rapidly. There's a variety of reasons for that, some people may already be immune being one factor. In any case, why would you not take this seriously when the WHO has declared it a pandemic?

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You are using the word "pandemic" because you heard it on the news and don't understand it.

WAY before this happened I read all about "the flu" and it's a yearly "pandemic" and is always from Chinese birds. It makes it's way around the Earth yearly.

Flu shots are useless, they don't tell you that, because the flu mutates and there's different types. A flu shot only works if it's the strain you got and that's probably never the case because they can't make a shot for this year's mutation. So, they quietly let 50,000 people die each year because there's nothing you can do.

So, we have a YEARLY pandemic and lots of people die of it in the US.

You are talking to a person who studies the shit out of important things, unlike you who reads stuff on facebook.

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I said quite clearly what a pandemic was. Of course, you're going to have a hard time hearing with your head up your ass.

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There's literally pandemics each year.

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The last time the flu was a pandemic was 2009. And that was a big deal also. You're the one who seems to think saying the flu can be pandemic makes pandemic laughable. I really can't with you any more, sorry. I try to tolerate all viewpoints, but when someone is as willfully ignorant as you are (or are at least portraying yourself to be here), I can see you're going to be like patient 31 in South Korea.

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https://www.who.int/influenza/preparedness/pandemic/h5n1phase/en/

As you can see, the WHO is listing the current flu as "alert" phase for pandemic. "Alert" phase is not the same as "pandemic" phase. (In case this is a vocabulary problem.)

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(Psst, that's about the avian flu.)

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Good point.

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You need to read about the flu.

All flu comes from China and covers the world---yearly.

A "pandemic" is just something some guy calls it. What matter are the facts. If the flu yearly causes tens of thousands of people to die---it's a fucking pandemic whether someone calls it that or not.

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See what you are confusing here is the difference between epidemic and pandemic. And that's related to the international growth patterns, but I expect that's too complicated for you right now. Get some basic vocabulary under your belt. And stop referring to the "World Health Organization" as 'some guy'. Okay, your lessons are done for the day, feel free to wash your hands for 20 seconds and run outside and play in the traffic.

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Okay, you want me to read about an annual pandemic of the flu? Where do you suggest I read about that?

I suggest you read the following story which indicates the last pandemic outbreak declared by the WHO before the coronavirus was the swine flu in 2009. The story also says the Covid19 pandemic is the first pandemic caused by a coronavirus (so no, there have not been any 'common cold' pandemics). If you have any evidence whatsoever, please demonstrate.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/11/814474930/coronavirus-covid-19-is-now-officially-a-pandemic-who-says

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And here's another resource for you, a website that explains the phases before the WHO declares something a pandemic. (Hint: the pandemic phase is phase 6.)

https://medbroadcast.com/channel/cold-and-flu/preparing-for-a-pandemic/decoding-whos-pandemic-levels

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Nobody dies from a common cold. A cold is not a generic term. It's caused mainly by the rhinovirus.

The flu is caused by the influenza virus which you probably had. People can die from the flu.
https://i.insider.com/5e6ab6c284159f61af0876e3?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

It sounds like you're in denial based on fear.

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He's not worth the trouble, Ksp, but I thank you 💋

He's a textbook narcissist and, not surprisingly, he's behaving exactly like a textbook narcissist.

But you're not the first to call him out on being a know-it-all [fill in blank] and you won't be the last.

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You are arrogant.

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He's not a know-it-all for the simple reason that he literally knows zip about the Coronavirus and is doubling down on his ignorance.

He likely had a stomach virus like you wrote.

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A know-it-all is someone who only acts like they know everything. In reality they don't.

This guy is doubling down on his ignorance, as you noted. If it weren't for the fact that he's going out in public and risking the health and possibly lives of others (because he wants to go to the gym, FFS!), this would be funny. We all see it for what it is because it's blindingly obvious.

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Who knows, that could be.

I guess I could have caught it a couple of weeks ago, from a nurse that works in a Hospital that has a few cases. It was the same: dry cough, sore throat and some exhaustion. No fever or shortness of breath, but I have a strong immune system. I solved it with honey and an additional blanket. Still a bit of a sore throat, though it's almost gone. The exhaustion is still there, though, it seems the last thing to go.

Or if there is a test that would show I had it or not that long ago.

It's called 'serologic test'
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11/cdc-developing-serologic-tests-that-could-reveal-full-scope-of-u-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

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Thank you! That answers both of my questions. They're still developing these tests so no, I can't get one now, but such tests exist; and, my body would have developed immunity as a result of having had it (if I did).

According to what I've read, fever is the #1 most common symptom, but not everyone gets it, so yes, with the other symptoms you had it's possible you had it too. I'm glad you got over it quickly and it wasn't severe with you. Yes, the exhaustion (and a slight cough) is the last to go with me too.

Whatever I had, I know where I got it. It had to have been from the people from whom I've been renting a private suite, but we share the laundry room and fridge in the laundry room. They were sick, as was their daughter, but it was mild with all three of them. The couple run a business involved in large events, like weddings and parties. So who knows where they got it.

My immune system has been through a lot since I've had an unusual amount of stress over the past year or so.

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I hope it's completely gone this week (knocking on wood). It was a bit like a roller coaster, going down for a few days and then coming back.

The serologic test has been already developed. A German company released it a couple of weeks ago. Chinese already did it too, if I'm not wrong. It's US the ones that haven't developed it yet. It's a bit worrying how the US seems to be unable to develop anything functional.

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I hope so too, for both of our sakes. Although I am feeling almost normal again.

Right. Since I'm in the US, that's what I was looking at, so no, I can't get that test. You'd think countries would share any info they had if it'd help stop the spread of it, or give us more crucial information about it.

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I don't think the companies that have developed it will share the knowledge, but for sure they'll sell the kits. It seems that US's CDC wants to have its own, so they don't have to buy them.

I think it's likely to go well. This virus is extremely contagious, but barely dangerous. And maybe it's just a flu ^^. I still have some muscle pain, which is a pain in the ass (figuratively! 😄), but that's it.

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Of course. I wasn't thinking about it in terms of companies having developed it. Who knows what I was thinking 😀

Yep, hard to know if we're talking about two viruses in your case, or one. Ugh, I had the muscle pain too. Although it wasn't in my ass either 😀. I still have slight shortness of breath if say I walk up a hill, very slight cough, and the relentless fatigue is pretty much gone 👍

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The muscle pain has finally gone away, still some fatigue, though. Last two days I felt my arms stiff. It has been several days. Three weeks from the first symptoms.

I don't know if it's really this f*****g corona-chan. If it is, well, it's not lethal, but it's certainly annoying.

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Good news!

Yeah, who knows if what you have and I had was the corona19 or not. Maybe eventually the powers that be will be interested in administering tests to see how widespread it actually was, so we can find out. Or not.

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If it was a month ago, you should be over it and no longer infectious. So, there is nothing that you need to do.

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I know that. As I said, if it is what I had, it's probably good news for me, but it'd mean it's already arrived here and no one knows.

That would be a minimum of 4 cases in this area that no one knows about. All of us recovered. Mine was much more severe than the other 3.

This kind of information is important for the CDC and others to know.

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Have any of your close personal contacts shown signs of infection? It may be worth letting them know.

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The 3 I mentioned came down with it first and gave it to me. We're basically in the same household. None of them told me they were sick. I'd have taken precautions if I'd known.

I'm very careful when I'm sick to do all I can to not expose anyone else, so I wasn't around anyone else when I was contagious.

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That is very considerate of you. Not everyone has that much sense. It is rather annoying to read stories of people with diagnosed infection going to concerts and dances. I hope you remain healthy.

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People who've been diagnosed are going to concerts and dances?! Unbelievable.

Thanks, I hope you keep healthy too :)

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I don't know, I read somewhere it's infectious for 5 weeks which would be slightly over a month.

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This is from yesterday and according to the newest reports, people are most contagious both before and early after displaying symptoms. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-most-contagious-before-during-first-week-symptoms

For some reason this virus is producing lots of viruses in its host (us) early on, which is why it's as contagious as it is.

The good news is our bodies start developing antibodies to it early on 👍

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the sickest patients are getting heavy pneumonia in the lungs. so i would say you had the flu.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-i-think-i-may-have-the-new-coronavirus-what-should-i-do/

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That doesn't mean anything. There are people who've had no symptoms who've had it, all the way up to people who've died from it.

Up until last night when I read that list of the most common symptoms of it on the site Damo posted, I assumed I'd just had some kind of regular seasonal flu. But the symptoms I had match too closely, and a few of them I've never experienced before.

Here's the page: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19

It's very long so do a word search for "symptoms of COVID-19" to go to it.

Of that list I had 9 of the symptoms, 10 if you include the non-symptom of not having a runny nose.

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there were only 6 cases reported in CA a month ago i doubt you had it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States

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Well that's the point. There are many cases that aren't being reported. Most people, like I did, will assume they had a regular flu virus, especially when all we've been told is the symptoms are few and very generic (fever, cough, and whatever the third common symptom was). When actually they're not.

People who have no symptoms are obviously not going to go to their doctors. People who have mild symptoms aren't going to go to their doctors. Even those having more severe symptoms like I did aren't going to go to their doctors; we just toughed it out like we normally do in flu season. How would any of these cases be tested and reported?

ETA: I'm not saying I did have it. I don't know. But according to the symptoms it sounds like I did. Until or unless I can get that serology test that's not yet ready for prime time in the US, I won't know.

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The real fatality rate with non-saturated Hospitals should be around 0.1%, similar to the flu. When the Hospitals are saturated and they can't provide artificial respiration, it can increase several times, I'd say reaching (probably) about 0.5%.

US has already 38 deaths. As a rule of thumb, that should make about 38,000 cases two weeks ago. Right now, it should be over 100,000.

That's is a very quick calculation, but it should be useful to get the order of magnitude. There's no way CA has 6 cases. They should have thousands by now.

The majority of them, of course, will pass it and will never see the doctor.

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As of this morning, the death toll in the US is 49. That's only 9 more than 3 days ago. This is a good sign.

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call a home doctor, lockdown

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Looks like you missed the past tense part. I had the flu over a month ago.

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oh thank God

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Yeah, no worries about spreading it now; or recovering from it, if that's what I had.

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so you can recover from it?

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Of course. Far more people recover from it than don't.

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Its definitely a hoax.

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Your evidence being?

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These are your symptoms. There are 3. I believe you had the ordinary flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html

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Look at the link. There are 13 symptoms of this virus, including the usual one of no runny nose. I had 9 of them, including the tell tale shortness of breath.

The head of the local Department of Health said the other day they already know it's been here for a while. They've tested a total of 3 people! Once the tests are made available we're going to find there are lots of people who currently have it, and there are many others who have had it but have recovered.

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I just lost my cool. I’ve never lost it like that before, but when he attacked you the old me came out.🙇🏼‍♀️

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Sorry, forgot to post the link from the CDC.

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"This is the site that (sensibly) lists all the common symptoms of the virus, from most to least common by percentages: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus#symptoms-and-disease-progression-of-covid-19

It's very long so do a word search for "symptoms of COVID-19" to go to it.

Even the CDC site, weirdly, only describes the symptoms very generally, as fever and cough."

Copied from one of my posts from up there ^

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I did go over the link. Mucho info. Did you see my reply in your defense?

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Yes, there's so much info on that page it's rather overwhelming. Yes, I saw it, and thank you ❤️. You've probably seen my reply to you by now :)

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I just now read it. You’ve known me a long time therefore you know I don’t let loose on someone with so much anger. But, it hit me at the wrong time. I don’t feel well, the angina attacks are occurring too frequently along with the IBS. He really pissed me off. I had to double check he was replying to you when you just replied with an innocuous post. I was totally shocked! No one deserved that type of response he gave you (well, maybe some do 😬)

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Yes, I have known you for a long time now and this isn't something you usually do. I don't think I've ever seen you get this angry. I'm just sorry that this ... person got you so upset, Ksp. Honestly, he is NOT worth it! It was dear of you though, so I truly thank you.

I didn't know you had angina too. When did this start?! :(

Here, here's almost 5 glorious minutes' worth of adorable Yorkie pups playing! It's sure to make you feel better 🤗 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKwtF2stpYc

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Thanks much! Definitely put a smile on my face first thing this morn. They were adorable! Of course I had to look at the side videos. Miss Molly is 6 lbs. I look at her and can’t believe I once had one that weighed just 1 1/2 lbs. Her name was Molli.

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I'm glad 😊. Aren't they the cutest? Molly's a BIG girl now, weighing in at 6 lbs!

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Yeah, too big! All my others, except for the tiny one never went over 5 lbs. She is so healthy and strong. I did a lot of research before adding her to our household. She’s potty trained to go in a litter pan lined with a wee wee pad. No going outside for her.

I have a large screened front porch where she visits the new neighbor’s 2 Welsh Corgis. When I say visit since she’s looking down at them, she barks and continues to jump at least 3 ft straight up! I know when she’s tired...she manages only half. She has actually climbed the porch wall! The marks are 3 feet up!

No poultry at all! Only beef from grass fed cows not laced antibiotics and other stuff added.

1/2 pattie of a freeze dried pattie crumbled into 1/3 cup Orijen then topped with 1/4 cup Instinct Mixers which has fruit & veggies

https://www.chewy.com/stella-chewys-stellas-super-beef/dp/121084

https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/orijen-regional-red-dry-dog-food

https://www.petco.com/shop/en/petcostore/product/natures-variety-instinct-freeze-dried-raw-boost-mixers-blends-grain-free-real-beef-recipe-wet-dog-food

For her treats the following and apple pieces in a kong

Treat https://www.chewy.com/stella-chewys-carnivore-crunch-grass/dp/57180

I make her 5 ingredient cookies. 2 cups oatmeal flour, 2/3 cup organic pumpkin, 1/4 cup natural peanut butter, 1/2 of a sweet potato, some apple prepared in a food processor until dough ball forms, roll out thin, cut into squares, place on cookie sheet, bake @ 350 for 35 minutes

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You're taking excellent care of your little big girl :)

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You read all of what I wrote? Thanks! I debated whether I should be so verbose, but I wanted to let other folks know we have to be so diligent nowadays regarding dog food. So many of our fur babies have died from dog food...China again.

https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-recalls/

https://www.petful.com/recall-lists/dog-food-recalls/

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Yeah. My guy gets no pet food or pet treats. I don't trust the industry. It's unregulated and answers only to itself.

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Good for you! 👏🏻👏🏻 When you get a working kitchen try the cookie recipe. Miss Molly loves them! I buy the large oatmeal canister from Walmart and use the processor to make the flour, then add the other items.

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I shy away from carb for him. He gets raw meat, raw bones, occasionally raw organ meats, cooked veggies, but very little in the way of grains, peas, potatoes.

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The only grain she gets is oat. Sweet potatoes are very good for dogs. Your fur baby is eating the way he would in the wild which is natural. For awhile until I narrowed down (went thru so many foods, donated it to the animal shelter) I was buying calves liver and boiling it to get the broth to pour over her kibbles.

I purchased bone broth...no good. She ate it for a little while, but then slacked off. I was concerned about hypoglycemia so the cookies gave her the sustenance she needed until I finally found the combo she would eat. She does not like moist food, only the kibble with freeze dried patties and the freeze dried toppers.

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Sounds like it. OMG, I hope you get well!!!

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I'm fine now, thank you! I got it over a month ago.

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I'm so glad to hear that. :)

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:)

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