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Trump reality check: Race


Ok, Realitiy check on Trump and the "racie" issue.


Since the mid 60s this country has had a bi-partisan concensus on equality for non-whites.

Trump was raised in that. Nearly everyone alive today in america was.


The difference on "race" between the GOP and dems is HOW to go about helping non-whites and how aggressively to discriminate IN FAVOR of non-whites, (and thus against whites).



The MOST Trump will do, is appoint Judges that are slightly less supportive of anti-white racism.

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I hear constantly from lefties on how racist Trump and/or the gop and/or America is racist.

No one wants to actualy defend these claims seriously?


The reality is that white racism directed at minorities has been taboo since the mid 60s, (if not sooner).


These claims of systemic or strong racism, is delusional.

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They call everyone a cultist but wont have a conversation on what makes up an actual cult based on an actual scientific model... why would they agree to this?

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It is very telling that they don't show up to debate it seriously. They love to drop it in other discussions as a "given", but somehow they all just know to avoid discussing it directly.

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You think racism ended when the laws that supported, nurtured and encouraged it were removed in the 60s?
( about 100 years too late)

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"RACISM ENDED" is not what I said. You can tell because I used other words.

But BOTH parties from that point forward agreed on the GOAL of helping non-whites and racial equailty.

The conflict since then has only been on HOW to do it.

The claim that one side is for and one against, is just not true.


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Anyone who has travelled more for the purpose of immersing oneself in the culture, rather than to "see the sights," and/or has actually gotten to know people raised in "melanated" cultures has learned that any culture besides white, has a "hierarchy," i.e. anyone who has Latino friends there is always at least one darker friend nicknamed "Negro," or lighter nicknamed "Blanco." It's all done in good spirits, with no "racism" in sight. Kind of like in the U.S. we'd have a large friend nicknamed "Moose" or some such.

Now the caste system in India may still have shades of classism. The lightest tend to occupy (or used to occupy) the Brahmin caste, which could be actual royalty, or if not in an actual "royal" family, still tended to be treated with deference. It's getting late, but there were several other castes that usually corresponded with their skin tone, and their status.

Don't even get me started with the Far East cultures. (Usually older) Korean, Japanese and/or some Chinese cultures have strong dislikes of each other, as well as some foreigners from across the globe.

When I hear (usually younger, and Northern) Americans gripe about "how racist" the US is, I chuckle, because in my not inconsiderable interactions with my fair share of cultures, I rank the U.S. the least racist country I've spent time in. Of course that's not to say you won't come across a bigot, or more often younger people, who likely attended schools with DIE programs who bought it all, without question.

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The issue of "race" in this country especially with regards to Trump is NOT a reasonable "come across a bigot" question but the claim, the blind faith that the country, the gop and especialy TRUMP

are not only racist individualy, but actively pursuing racist policies aimed at keeping the black man down or some such shit.


This, of course, is delusional, and only supported by the weakest ass conspiracy theory shit you can ever come across.

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Ha ha? Sorry just woke up from a nap so I'm pretty sure you're being facetious.

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Not at all.

The GOP was the party that supported equality for blacks before it was cool. The consensus came in the mid 60s when THE DEMS finally gave up their alliance with the racist party machine in the South.


Since then, actual white racists have had ZERO voice in this country. ALL policy that touches on race at all, whether from the left or the right, has been with the intent of helping the blacks.

At least the STATED intent of that.


So, when lefties "Play the Race Card" to terrorize and mobilize the non-whitee votes, it might WORK in that it does seem to win elections,

but it is a Lie.

Adn that cost is increased division and racial tension and even violence.


That is not a "facetious" point. It is deadly serious. People have died and are still dying because of all the hate and divvision that strategy has pumped into the system.

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"schools with DIE programs"

I found this actually pretty funny and clever. I don't remember reading it here before. Kudos.

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"Since the mid 60s this country has had a bi-partisan concensus on equality for non-whites"

Yeah.... Card carrying Progressives are eager to give us non-whites all kinds of shit, no matter how often and loudly we retort "Let us get it for ourselves, and don't impede our access to opportunity"

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But that wouldn't give them any excuse to destroy their enemies or move money around, to their friends, ect.

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YOU'RE THE WHITEST GUY HERE.

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Assuming you're referring to LBJ's "Ni**er Bill" that decimated the black nuclear family, thus most of their entire culture. Then along came Ollie North's CIA Nicaragua cocaine targeted crack drops, with Biden's crime bill to cap it all off and increase prison sentencing. Can be read about in Gary Webb's book Dark Alliance, who was found dead in his garage dead by "suicide" with two bullets in his head.

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Ok, Trumpbilly.

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Your racist slur is noted. Wonderfully ironic. I take it that was completely unintentional?


LOL. OF course it was.

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Mocking Trump Hillbillies is not racist!

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Yes, yes it is, when you do it with racist slurs.


But, I understand. Lefties never think. So, you don't realize obvoius shit like...anything.

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What was racist about it, Cowbell?

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Hillbillie is a racist slur against rural whites. That's what is racist about it, you fag.

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I'm a rural White. And I'm proud to be a hillbilly. Go fuck yourself.

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Good for you.

It was meant as a racist slur and that is what it was/is.

Satan was implying that "hillbillies" are stupid and worthy of being mocked. He thinks you and your people are stupid. Why are you on his side?

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For the most part, hillbillies are pretty fucking stupid; at least the ones in the Ozarks.

It's an accurate description.

I'm on no one's side but mine, you fag.

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OooH, so edgy and radical. I guess it is just a coincidence that you are in lockstep with the brainless mob.

And, you are the fag here.

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Brainless mob?

No, I'm not obsessed by politics and party lines like you are.

You suffer from PITRB, unlike "TDS", it's quite real.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29631796/

Get some help or, at least, touch grass.

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I'm still not clear how saying the equivalent of "Country people are dumb" is racist

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Pearl clutching cons grasping at straws.

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Playing dumb is a standard lib defense.

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OTOH, it's standard con practice. Y'all Trumpbilliies ain't playin' dumb, you actually are stupid as fuck.

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You know?? There are alot of Hoosiers in Virginia that support Trump, right??

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Hoosiers are in Indiana.

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Trump is a racist who has a history of housing discrimination with his KKK member racist father who had been arrested at a KKK rally.

He defended the White supremacists screaming "Jews will not replace us" in Charlotte.

He defunded and deemphasized work by federal agencies that were tracking domestic terrorism from white supremacists.

Trump already said he will release white supremacist group leaders and members who are in prison for their illegal activity on Jan. 6th on his first day in office.

Trump already threatened to send the military into POC-majority cities to terrorize them.

Fascists and far-right extremists like Trump always uses division, therefore it's no surprise he will continue to do the same by targeting different persecuted groups like he did during his first term with blacks, Muslims, Asian-Americans, democrats, women, etc..

In Israel, the far-right Israeli government allows Palestinians to be killed by Israelis by not arresting them. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump allows the same in the U S. as a return to the history of lynchings in which Trump fantasizes.

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A judgement against his dad from the 70S is your lead evidence? FAIL.

He was President for FOUR years, and you don't have significant racist policy to cite? Policy somehow aimed at keeping the poor black man down or some such shit?

You are on a snipe hunt, and using that snipe hunt as an excuse to lie on people you hate.

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When did Trump actually defend the Tiki Torchers at Charlottesville chanting about Jews not replacing them rather than just other protestors there who had nothing to do with that chanting?

Even if your claim were true, you have zero credibility criticizing him for it. You've openly celebrated the fact that thousands of Jews fled Israel in fear after the October 7th attack. You've called for all Israeli Jews to go to Europe. You repeatedly say that Jews will not replace the Palestinians. Just today you openly defended Hamas, the terrorist group that massacred over a thousand Jews on October 7th and that seeks to kill all the Jews in Israel.

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Not all Israelis are Jews. How do you know which of the victims were Jewish.

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I'm well aware that not all Israelis are Jews. I don't know which of the victims of the October 7th attack were Jewish but I do know that the overwhelming majority of them were. But that's irrelevant to my point. Hamas massacred over a thousand people and Keelai openly defended Hamas while condemning Trump based on the false claim that he defended the Charlottesville Tiki Torchers, who didn't even kill anyone.

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"didn't even kill anyone"

Wrong!!!

Death of Heather Heyer
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/08/12/24-hours-in-charlottesville-00051241

You would defend white supremacists and neo-Nazis... and lie. No surprise!

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You idiot! Your ginormous, worthless idiot!!! I know all about the death of Heather Heyer. The man who killed her with his car, James Alex Fields, was NOT part of the tiki torch march where men chanted about Jews not replacing them! So what I said about the tiki torchers not killing anyone is true.

So I didn't "defend" any white supremacists or neo-Nazis. I just told the truth about them. You're the one who lied. No surprise!

And you still didn't answer my question. When did Trump actually defend the Tiki Torchers at Charlottesville chanting about Jews not replacing them rather than just other protestors there who had nothing to do with that chanting?

You can't defend Hamas after they massacred over a thousand Jews and openly celebrate thousands of Jews fleeing Israel in fear and then legitimately complain about the tiki torchers, who didn't even kill anyone.

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"Fields also admitted that, prior to Aug. 12, 2017, he used social media accounts to express and promote white supremacist views; to express support for the social and racial policies of Adolf Hitler and Nazi-era Germany, including the Holocaust; and to espouse violence against African Americans, Jewish people, and members of other racial, ethnic, and religious groups he perceived to be non-white.

Fields further admitted that, on Aug. 12, 2017, he attended the “Unite the Right” rally in Emancipation Park in Charlottesville, Virginia. That morning, multiple groups and individuals espousing white-supremacist ideology also attended the rally. These rally participants, including Fields, engaged in chants promoting or expressing white supremacist and other racist and anti-Semitic views.

Shortly before the scheduled start of the Unite the Right rally, law enforcement declared an “unlawful assembly” and required rally participants, including Fields, to disperse. Fields later returned to his vehicle and began to drive on the streets of Charlottesville, Virginia.

Fields previously pleaded guilty to 29 violations of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, 18 U.S.C. § 249, for the attack."
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ohio-man-sentenced-life-prison-federal-hate-crimes-related-august-2017-car-attack-rally

You're still defending white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Sad.

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You're still being a ginormous, worthless idiot! I know all about James Alex Fields. I already know all about him. You're not telling me anything I didn't already know. NONE of that changes anything that I said about the Tiki Torchers. James Alex Fields was NOT part of the tiki torch march where men chanted about Jews not replacing them. Got that, stupid? Thus, the Tiki Torchers never killed anyone. That's not a "defense" of them. That's just a cold, hard fact. NOTHING you tell me about James Alex Fields changes the facts about the tiki torch marchers.

Now do you actually have anything honest or intelligent to say about the matter?

So all that we're left with is you still didn't answer my question. When did Trump actually defend the Tiki Torchers at Charlottesville chanting about Jews not replacing them rather than just other protestors there who had nothing to do with that chanting?

You can't defend Hamas after they massacred over a thousand Jews and openly celebrate thousands of Jews fleeing Israel in fear and then legitimately complain about the tiki torchers, who didn't even kill anyone.

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U.S. government website detailing the case trumps your support for white supremacy and defense of a murderer.

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You're still being a ginormous, worthless idiot! The DOJ press release you linked to does NOT say that James Alex Fields was part of the tiki torch march. It merely says that he was at the Unite the Right rally. The tiki torch march was on August 11th. The DOJ press release you linked to doesn't even say that he was in Charlottesville on August 11th. His car ramming attack was on August 12th. I'm not defending James Alex Fields or the murder he committed. I'm simply pointing out that he wasn't part of the tiki torch march, an action which clearly wasn't as bad as the murder he committed. Pointing out facts is NOT "support for white supremacy".

Now do you actually have anything honest or intelligent to say about the matter?

So all that we're left with is you still didn't answer my question. When did Trump actually defend the Tiki Torch marchers at Charlottesville chanting about Jews not replacing them rather than just other protestors there who had nothing to do with that chanting?

You can't defend Hamas after they massacred over a thousand Jews and openly celebrate thousands of Jews fleeing Israel in fear and then legitimately complain about the tiki torch marchers, who didn't even kill anyone.

Even if one of them did kill a single person all on his own, as a group they wouldn't be nearly as bad as Hamas, who as a group massacred over a thousand Jews. Putting all your chips on this bet was really stupid because of that enormous difference in such a hypothetical comparison. Even if you were factually right about James Alex Fields, that wouldn't make you any less disingenuous for defending Hamas while complaining about the Tiki Torch marchers. A decent person would condemn both groups.

Your constant accusations that I'm "supporting white supremacy" are clearly just a pathetic attempt to try to distract from the fact that you support the bigotry and violence of Hamas.

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"I'm not defending James Alex Fields or the murder he committed."

Yes, you are.

"he wasn't part of the tiki torch march"

Yes, he was according to the FBI:
"These rally participants, including Fields, engaged in chants promoting or expressing white supremacist and other racist and anti-Semitic views."

Your support for white supremacy and defense of a murderer is gross.

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Can you actually explain how I'm defending James Alex Fields or the murder he committed? Or are you are just going to repeat the claim ad nauseum without trying to prove it? This is that much more ridiculous because you've openly defended the Hamas murder of over a thousand Jews.

All you're proving here is that you didn't actually read my last comment. As I told you before, the tiki torch march was on August 11th. The rally Fields attended that's mentioned in your quote here from the DOJ press release took place on August 12th. Do you realize that those are 2 different dates? You're the one who falsely claimed that Trump "defended the White supremacists screaming 'Jews will not replace us' in Charlotte" (It was actually Charlottesville). That event was the tiki torch march which took place on August 11th.

So all that we're left with is you still didn't answer my question. When did Trump actually defend the Tiki Torch marchers at Charlottesville chanting about Jews not replacing them rather than just other protestors there who had nothing to do with that chanting?

You can't defend Hamas after they massacred over a thousand Jews and openly celebrate thousands of Jews fleeing Israel in fear and then legitimately complain about the tiki torch marchers, who didn't even kill anyone.

Even if one of them did kill a single person all on his own, as a group they wouldn't be nearly as bad as Hamas, who as a group massacred over a thousand Jews. Putting all your chips on this bet was really stupid because of that enormous difference in such a hypothetical comparison. Even if you were factually right about James Alex Fields, that wouldn't make you any less disingenuous for defending Hamas while complaining about the Tiki Torch marchers. A decent person would condemn both groups.

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You're gaslighting!

Israel's government created and funded Hamas.

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So you admit that Trump didn't actually defend the Tiki Torch marchers in Charlottesvile. And you admit that it's completely disingenuous to defend Hamas while condemning Trump based on the false claim that he defended the Charlottesville Tiki Torch marchers, who didn't even kill anyone. I'm glad we got all of that out of the way.

You're the one gaslighting. I already explained to you that Israel didn't create Hamas. Israel may have helped finance Ahmed Yassin's Islamic Association, which was just a charity. Then in 1987, Hamas was organized by men from outside of the Islamic Association and Yassin merely gave his verbal blessing to their efforts. I explained this to you again for the thousandth time just a few days ago so you have no excuse for not knowing the truth.

You can't have your cake and eat it too with Hamas. You can't explicitly defend Hamas and criticize Israel at the same time for supposedly creating it. It's completely babyish and beneath this forum.

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OK, so, back to the reality check.

Since the mid 60s this country has had a bi-partisan concensus on equality for non-whites.

Trump was raised in that. Nearly everyone alive today in america was.


The difference on "race" between the GOP and dems is HOW to go about helping non-whites and how aggressively to discriminate IN FAVOR of non-whites, (and thus against whites).



The MOST Trump will do, is appoint Judges that are slightly less supportive of anti-white racism.

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They started labeling Trump a racist when David Duke endorsed him. It's all they got and they ran with it. It's how they manipulate stupid people into voting democrat and it works.

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The ONLY time, w.s. like Duke get any air time, is when they give something useful to the lefty media. And they know it.

The lefty media gets to smear their enemies, the w.s. get air time to spread their message.

Both the lib media and the white supremacists are working together towards their shared goal, of maintaining the illusion that the white supremacists are relevant. They really should be sending each other christmas cards and fruit bastkets.

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Eggsactly!

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