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Police didn't kill George Floyd, Fentanyl did.

posted 4 years ago by TexasJack (12515)
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https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/27/george-floyd-died-of-health-complications-from-a-fentanyl-overdose-he-was-not-murdered-by-minneapolis-police/

The key entry is “Fentanyl — 11.” That is 11 ng/ML. As noted in the Memo that is extremely high, and represents a lethal level of toxicity. The therapeutic range for Fentanyl — what a doctor would prescribe — is .6 — 3 ng/ML.

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Any prosecutor with significant experience recognizes the problem here. The Medical Examiner will not be able to say the actions of the officers caused the cardiopulmonary arrest which resulted in George Floyd’s death — not given the level of Fentanyl toxicity in this blood. George Floyd’s respiratory system, under the influence of Fentanyl as it was, suffered from pulmonary edema which resulted in cardiopulmonary arrest during the application by the officers of standard techniques of restraint and control. Based on the Report, the Medical Examiner will not be able to testify that, beyond a reasonable doubt, those techniques caused the pulmonary edema that resulted in the cardiopulmonary arrest that killed George Floyd. Nothing about the techniques leads to pulmonary edema. Without that medical testimony, this case never makes it to the jury.

I suspected this might turn out to be the case two months ago.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5ee92b735fbf2f4b12d62ad9/Police-may-not-be-guilty-in-the-death-of-George-Floyd?reply=5eead22288a9272a1e93b624

[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

If the DA doesn't change the case to manslaughter, Chauvin is going to walk. If he doesn't change the case against the other cops, they'll walk too. If they walk, we'll get a BS round 2 of pillaging.

[–] TexasJack (12515) 4 years ago

Even second-degree manslaughter is likely out of reach because it still requires the prosecution to establish, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Chauvin caused Floyd's death.

[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

Now we can only wait to see how overzealous the DA is. Some official condemned the report being released to the public. Why would you condemn an official report from the medical examiner? Clearly they wanted to hide the facts.

[–] theWatcher74 (186) 4 years ago

There's going to be massive political pressure for prosecutors to charge him with everything he can. Here in Wisconsin, that teenager who killed two people and shot a third is being charged with first degree murder. PREMEDITATED. That makes no sense at all. Even if you are convinced he used excessive force (not saying he did), he only shot in response to someone assaulting him. No way in hell is that premeditated.

[–] User548 (2068) 4 years ago

We'll see what they end up charging him after they review all the facts. Now being that no black person was killed, will BLM get involved?

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Early news reports were saying that he shot a looter. That is when the crowd started chasing him. It all hinges on whether that is true. If he shot a looter who was not threatening him, there is a pretty good case to make that he is guilty of murder. If he did not shoot anyone before the crowd started after him, then he can argue self defense.

[–] Gd5150 (11063) 4 years ago

Democrats will riot either way. Their leadership in media/party celebrate it.

[–] theWatcher74 (186) 4 years ago

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[–] B1cKsurN (14892) 4 years ago

And national media silent for the most part.

Doesn't silence equal violence or someshit?

[–] Matildawormwood (1545) 4 years ago

Even if that's partly true, it doesn't give he cop the right to kneel on his neck and suffocate him like that. No cop has the right to commit attempted murder.

[–] wheelin176 (2026) 4 years ago

I agree; 6/8 minutes like that is awful.

[–] yatzo376 (7466) 4 years ago

True
The video of the knee on the neck tells the story to the majority

[–] TexasJack (12515) 4 years ago

Kneeling on the neck didn't suffocate him. Fluid in the lungs from fentanyl did.

[–] yatzo376 (7466) 4 years ago

Lungs + knee + fentanyl?

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

'redstate.com' ?

Seriously?Bwahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha!

Yep - there's a good source for news.

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

There's a bunch of articles on this. As you would say, Google it.

https://moviechat.org/bd0000082/Politics/5f4801a056f1f32c5305d3fa/New-court-documents-say-Floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system

[–] TimMC (9143) 4 years ago

The terrorists are still in the street and the liars are still posting on this forum. It's never going to end.

[–] Bubbathegut (17228) 4 years ago

What do they want though? They are burning and looting but haven't successfully articulated what they want.

[–] kspkap (13056) 4 years ago

They themselves don’t know what they want. It’s their nature to Burn, Loot, Murder. To them it’s one big nationwide block party with all the perks...the items they loot!

[–] NormaAndNorman (3900) 4 years ago

https://theundefeated.com/whhw/black-lives-matter-groups-release-demands/

I've seen other ridiculous lists too.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

TexasJack cracks it.... SORTED!

I must remember not to take Fentanyl next time a police officer kneels on my neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. That could be really dangerous.

The contents of a person's bloodstream still doesn't justify excessive force, regardless of how many Redstate articles you share trying to blame him for being murdered.

[–] TexasJack (12515) 4 years ago

"The Medical Examiner will not be able to say the actions of the officers caused the cardiopulmonary arrest which resulted in George Floyd’s death — not given the level of Fentanyl toxicity in this blood."

If they can't prove that the officers caused his death, they can't secure a murder or manslaughter conviction.

[–] Kowalski (59227) 4 years ago

THERE IS A BIT OF BLAME FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED...HAVE YOU SEEN THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE?...DUDE WAS OUT OF HIS MIND AND RESISTING EVERY ORDER AND COMMAND LIKE SOME KIND OF DOPED UP WRESTLER...THE KNEE TO NECK RESTRAINT IS A TACTIC THAT SHOULD BE ELIMINATED,I WONT DISAGREE WITH THAT...BUT WHAT WAS THE BETTER OPTION,CONSIDERING THE STATE OF THE GUY?

[–] TexasJack (12515) 4 years ago

Good points, and I think the Minneapolis Police have already taken your advice and removed that restraint technique from their training manual.

The most significant evidence from the body cam footage is Floyd saying "I can't breathe" while standing upright before the police restrained him. He couldn't breathe because a fatally toxic level of fentanyl was causing fluid to accumulate in his lungs and that process was beginning to accelerate.

Fentanyl is an exceedingly dangerous drug when used outside of the close supervision of a doctor. Fentanyl abuse was responsible for over 37,000 deaths in 2019 alone.

[–] TabbyS (1277) 4 years ago

If someone is high on drugs, all the more reason not to put your knee on their neck. It could kill someone faster. Get it?

If it was obvious he was high, then the officer willingly killed him, on camera, as if to say, "Watch me walk."

[–] Kowalski (59227) 4 years ago

THATS RIDICULOUS KNEE JERK INSANITY...

[–] TexasJack (12515) 4 years ago

As I posted two months ago:

Floyd was in trouble medically independent of the police actions. He was complaining of trouble breathing before being brought to the ground. If you read the details of the "excited delirium" condition in the essay I linked, you'll see the recommended action is restraint of the subject until medical personnel can administer a sedative. Allowing him the space to thrash around can hasten death.

Check out this new article and also pay close attention to the picture of the restraint technique taught by the Minneapolis Police Dept. right from their training materials. Look familiar?

There shouldn't even be a trial. All criminal charges against these officers should be dropped immediately. They will never be able to prove criminal culpability with this evidence.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/09/02/new-evidence-in-the-george-floyd-case-that-could-change-everything-n2575428?32

[–] TabbyS (1277) 4 years ago

All the MORE reason not to put a knee on his neck. Dear God, please don't let this person represent Texas.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 4 years ago

Sure, buddy.

Also, police didn't kill George Floyd, the stopping of Floyd's heart did.
Also, police didn't kill George Floyd, the lack of oxygen to Floyd's brain did.
Also, Police didn't kill George Floyd, they became entangled with Floyd's quantum field, collapsing Floyd's "superpositioned" wavefunction into a single branch of reality where Floyd ended up being deceased.