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Close off Florida. Now.

posted 4 years ago by Otter (24464)
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I'm not kidding. Close the borders, set up roadblocks on all roads leading out of the state, stop all trains and flights going in and out except for brave healthcare workers going in, set up blockades on the oceans.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_latest.pdf

I don't think this has hit the news yet, but someone sent me this table of data from Florida. The scary part is halfway down, under "testing by laboratory", and what's scary is that lab results in some areas are coming back over 50% positive, even 100% positive in some places. What that means is that almost everyone or really everyone who feels sick and has asked for a test has the virus, and they're in a state that isn't locked down and a lot of people refuse to do anything to slow down person-to-person transmission. Numbers are about to explode, the healthcare system will be overwhelmed, people will die for a lack of care, everything will happen that we've spent the last few months trying to avoid.

If there were a competent federal government then Florida would be sealed off and anyone who'd been there in the last month would be quarantined, but we don't have a competent federal government, and there isn't a competent state government. This is a natural disaster in the making, abetted by humans who haven't done the job they were elected to do.

[–] Gd5150 (11023) 4 years ago

Over 300 testing centers in fla reported 100% positive. Lmao!!!

There is nothing legitimate about the new cases numbers. They’re more skewed than the death numbers which are easily over inflated by 30%.

Fortunately we are still at only 6.5% of the projected number of death from the CDC. Despite the Democrat governors ordering covid positive patients to nursing homes and killing 1000s.

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

So what's your explanation for so many labs reporting 100% positive or over 50% positive?

Go ahead and have a go, we'll know who was right in a month or less.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Don't waste your time with that Russianbot.

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

Thanks, I usually avoid this board, so I don't know who should be dismissed out of hand.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

GD5150, Bubbathegut, krl97a, TimMC, pjpurple, NormaandNorman, IfImBoredImHere, B1ckSurn, zaq, popcorny, elcamino, and kspkrp for starters...

[–] [email protected] (5501) 4 years ago

MM- I am so flattered! I made your list!!! We're the people whom you cannot engage with on an intellectual basis and who frighten the p$ss out of you and stomp on your leftard arguments!
Don't know about the others, but you can't seem to avoid me. You just enjoy being mean to me. That's okay. I can take it. I know you need an outlet for your rage and if you go after Pres. Trump the Secret Service will make a soup strainer out of you, i.e., lotsa holes!

It's funny, that list contains most of the people who make sense on this board and who aren't taken in by the leftwing boob news!

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Call 'em as I see 'em.

[–] [email protected] (5501) 4 years ago

Well, MM, I gotta admire your honesty! Not your common sense, but your honesty! You mean well.

[–] Bubbathegut (17225) 4 years ago

Oh doogie, you are the best!

[–] Gd5150 (11023) 4 years ago

Nobody knows. We just know 100% from 300 testing centers shows that the entire process is flawed.

Nationwide were running at a 9% positive rate.

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

We don't know that the entire process is flawed from this data, although I hope that's the explanation. If the process is so flawed that they're getting something like 90% false positives, when why are other labs reporting anything from a 3% positive rate to a 98% positive rate? Well, time will tell how many people in those regions get sick over the next month, and if it correlates with the numbers presented here.

I hope we can dismiss this data after due review from unbiased sources, but the fact is, it's not impossible for a contagious virus to be present in the majority of a population, particularly in areas where people have been refusing to follow common-sense precautions.

[–] ultravioletx (10216) 4 years ago

This is why Trump is losing so badly. Notice how everyone on Trump's side believes masks are harmful and that the covid-19 numbers are inflated. Instead of broadening his base to include the middle, Trump has cut them off and has chosen to cater to only the conspiracy nuts.

It's a weird time we are living in right now.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

His base can't comprehend scientific facts. As a matter of fact, they can't comprehend anything which goes against their conspiracy theories - which all come down to 'the world is against Trump'.

[–] Rorikon (16402) 4 years ago

Dade seems to be the most fucked. Many cases although deaths are not matching up to the amount of increase. My warning sign is at 5,000 deaths peak. If they can remain below 5,000 they should be good but it's getting close with 4,4xx atm if I recall. Meh, killing of the ignorant is the best thing since sliced pie. I hear the hospitals are near max or maxed capacity and some people have to go on a waiting list. Should be any new cases that need hospitalization go on the waiting list as they've already been warned to wear masks and other mitigation factors.

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

Wait a minute... you're saying there are wait lists for hospital beds? Do you have ANY idea what a bad sign that is?

Because FYI normal hospital procedure is that when they're full, they send people who need a hospital bed they can't provide to a different hospital. This is an everyday thing, and can be done on a fairly large scale if need be, Imperial County, Ca. is having a spike right now, and are shipping patients to the rest of Southern California. But if people are going on wait lists in Florida... that means that no hospital within reach has beds available.

And if there's any accuracy to the data at my link, that means that numbers are going to explode over the next month, with the sick getting worse and people infected by the currently sick getting sick in 5-14 days. And the hospitals are already full.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

And to think Trump now is ordering hospitals and nursing homes to send all COVID data directly to him now, and he will pass the information along to Americans. He wants them to bypass the CDC with their data, because the CDC can't be trusted.

Imagine ?

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

A competent president would be telling the CDC to stay up all night and review this kind of data, while moving things in place to provide Florida with the extra medical care it will need, and closing the state borders so the coming disaster can't happen elsewhere.

[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Exactly - a competent President. I miss having one for the past 3 1/2 years.

At this point, I'll even take 'semi competent' - like Bush 43.

[–] Rorikon (16402) 4 years ago

I'm just focusing on the deaths. Just being on a waiting list doesn't guarantee death but it does raises the chance for it depending on what it is. I'm also just saying if there are more deaths it's just killing off the ignorant folks that ignored the CDC guidance.

You're right, they transfer them to other hospitals be it children or makeshift. I'm not saying they're on a waiting list now, I just heard they may have to be on one if it gets more worse than it is. I was skimming some news and they were interviewing a doc that mentioned they may have to pick and choose if there is a waiting list.

Meh, again, just idiots that don't care and following Trump's guidelines rather than the CDC so in my mind, who cares? They're only wiping themselves out and his base followers. Everyone else would be or should be already doing the opposite. Since Trump finally learned to wear a mask at a very later date, maybe things will change. Let's not forget that the WH has taken over or rather seized control of the CDC national database for COVID cases so who knows how they'll manipulate it.

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

"Meh, again, just idiots that don't care and following Trump's guidelines rather than the CDC so in my mind, who cares? "

Those idiots can infect people with sense, that's why I care.

The mask issue is everybody's business now.

[–] B1cKsurN (14810) 4 years ago

Press X to Doubt.

[–] Matildawormwood (1545) 4 years ago

Yes please!! I love my old sunshine state but we can't afford anymore cases. Especially here in California since the population is so high.

[–] B1cKsurN (14810) 4 years ago

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/florida-coronavirus-tests-hospital-disputes-100-positive-report/5445139002/

[–] Satan2016 (23361) 4 years ago

If half the population is infected, that's 10M. If 10K die, death rate is 0.1%, pretty low compared to normal of 1% from all causes.

So far deaths are under 5K. Don't worry unless is reaches 50K. High infection rates are of no concern, they now have herd immunity and life can get back to normal.

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

If course I've heard that the death rates are being artificially lowered, that when people die the coroners are being pressured to list causes other than COVID. Likd "pneumonia" instead of COVID-19, even if the pneumonia was caused by the COVID.

But that's just an internet rumor, I cant back it up. Unless the overall Florida death rate suddenly has a huge surge over the next monyh, that'll tell us something.

[–] Gd5150 (11023) 4 years ago

No you haven’t. Nice try.

If that’s the case cite a reputable source.

Meanwhile we all know everything was counted as covid deaths for months until the Democrat media/party/lemmings decided fake “new cases” was more a better avenue to destroy the country over. More tests equals more cases. 100% positive results means corrupt testing.

[–] tsrt (1091) 4 years ago

Some scientists are saying that immunity doesn't last long.

[–] kspkap (13033) 4 years ago

FYI, it’s not up to the federal government to seal off a state! It’s up to the state officials. Read the following article if you wish to know the facts. It’s from April 12, 2020.

https://www.news-press.com/story/news/2020/04/10/fact-check-fake-facebook-post-florida-closed-border-georgia-alabama-new-york-jersey-conn-louisiana/5124127002/

As an aside, I can’t believe you believe the hyperbole about people testing 50% to 100% positive for the virus! Dear lord, I hope you aren’t and never will be a news reporter. Chicken Little of “The sky is falling” has nothing on you!

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

Time and accurate reporting will tell whether I have a point or am getting hysterical over nothing.

But tell me, why do you think it's impossible for a respiratory virus to spread widely, in an area where so many people refuse to follow common sense precautions?

[–] kspkap (13033) 4 years ago

”I'm not kidding. Close the borders, set up roadblocks on all roads leading out of the state, stop all trains and flights going in and out except for brave healthcare workers going in, set up blockades on the oceans.”

Fairly certain this is hysterical. Why do you believe the following?
”...an area where so many people refuse to follow common sense precautions?”

BTW, the testing is flawed. We have over 21.67 Million people in Florida. The number of cases is about 327,241. Not 50% to 100% infected!

Out of that number there is a little over 4,800 deaths.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

We'll see in a month or two. The lag time between infection and getting sick is officially 5-14 days, and a lot of the people who get deathly ill take weeks to actually die.

Remember this isn't random tests of the population, this data doesn't say that 100% of the population has COVID in some areas, this data says that 3% to 100% of the people who are *getting tested* have the virus. Maybe they're getting tested because they have a mild cold (I did this last week), maybe they're tested because they were around someone who's sick even if they feel fine themselves, maybe they're tested because they went to the ER for a broken arm and they got tested whether they liked it or not, maybe they got tested because they feel like they're so sick they'll die.

But in an area where lots of people reportedly refused to follow common-sense precautions, all those people with "mild colds" or broken arms or paranoia ARE going to infect others. And some of the others are going to get deathly ill, I'm no statistician but the potential for this to be a huge disaster is obviously there.

[–] kspkap (13033) 4 years ago

Dept. of HHS is going to be looking at all the deaths deemed to be from Covid in Florida. The testing is flawed, COD is flawed. Case in point from a hospital doctor, a motorcyclist killed in an accident was noted due to Covid.

It was reported patients who are intubated, on a ventilator receive payments directly to them! In other words the more Covid patients...the more money is given to the hospital and patient. We have people who may be dying from heart attacks will be listed as death from Covid. They were dying to begin with, then contracted Covid. You guessed it! COD is Covid...no mention of the heart attack!

The inane orders from the state officials to businesses who open...wear masks, but also take the temp. What in the hell does that prove? So many people run a temp from various ills. I run a temp if I have a tooth extracted! One week-end this year I ran a temp of 104 for two days. By the third day it was 101, fourth day nothing. I didn’t have Covid! A UTI can cause a fever, but it’s not Covid.

I swear I’m in the Twilight Zone with a bunch of Chicken Littles running around in circles!

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

"It was reported patients who are intubated, on a ventilator receive payments directly to them!"

Yes. All hospitals get paid when they admit patients, and yes, they get paid more for patients who are on ventilators. This is called "Medical Insurance", and it's been around for a while, ever since ICUs were invented they've cost more than regular hospital beds.

And no, the public precautions are far from perfect, but it's been pretty conclusively proven that the public can't be trusted to take Personal Responsibility for their own health or other people's. And if you're this cavalier about things, neither can you.

[–] kspkap (13033) 4 years ago

You completely ignored my first paragraph. In fact you ignored the whole intent of my reply. I wasn’t referring to insurance. I don’t believe funds in hand is insurance as I wrote, “receive payments directly to them.”

It’s another scam just like Medicare. You may not be old enough to know Medicare is rife with fraud! The hospitals receive more money when they list the cause of death as Covid when it’s not! Why do you think the Dept. of HHS is looking into all of the deaths listed due to Covid?

You would not believe the checks given to people “willy nilly” after the four 2004 hurricanes we had in Florida. FEMA gave money out like candy! Some people made out like bandits! Same situation here! The deaths due to Covid are skewed!

I repeat your statement is over reacting, is panic driven and to put it bluntly...is silly.

”I'm not kidding. Close the borders, set up roadblocks on all roads leading out of the state, stop all trains and flights going in and out except for brave healthcare workers going in, set up blockades on the oceans.”

”...set up blockades on the oceans.” Huh? How in God’s name could that be done when they are unable to stop the flow of drugs and illegals rafting into the state?

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

Sweetie, I used to work in the hospital end of the medical insurance industry, there is no doubt in my mind that I know more about the specifics of the billing process and the economic end of the medical industry than you do. I'd write paragraph after paragraph about it all, if I thought you had any capacity to understand things you don't feel like understanding, but as you obviously don't I won't bother.

As for the suggestion that hospitals are artificially inflating the COVID numbers, well, I've heard that the coroners of Florida are being politically pressured to artificially deflate COVD death numbers, so that state and local governments don't look bad for failing to prevent mass deaths. Well, there are a shit-ton of horrible rumors going around the internet, with no reliable data to support most of them, so we're even there.

However, the pdf I presented in my original post presents some actual data, feel free to have a look at it and see what you can infer from those numbers.

[–] kspkap (13033) 4 years ago

You most likely do know about the billing process better than me since that was your job. BTW, I do have the capacity to understand, so no need to be snarky. This OP went overboard from the first paragraph. You dismissed my query on how the state could set up blockades on the oceans. You do realize Florida is a peninsula...completely surrounded by water except for the panhandle.

You also dismissed the incident of the motorcycle accident. You may have worked in the billing/medical insurance industry, but you would have no say on COD. What you saw was after the patient expired. Physicians are beginning to speak out about what they are being forced to do. The Dept. of HHS is going to investigate the Covid deaths in Florida.

Since Medicare hospitals have always inflated EOBs. They have to in order to stay afloat. Whenever government gets involved prices go up. Someone or some entity has to pay the bills for those who skip out paying. I repeat Medicare exacerbated fraud. When an MRI cost $2200.00 and Medicare only allows $118.00 something is wrong. Years ago I bowled with a cardiologist’s wife who informed me Medicare doesn’t begin to cover the costs of tests.

We used to be able to get all of our lab work done at the doctor’s office, but no longer. We have to go to a stand alone site. Doctors are selling their practices to hospitals due to the demanding paperwork. The hospitals are becoming conglomerates. I know doctors who charge more if you have insurance; if you don’t the bill is less. Medicare at one time paid for swimming pools if the doctor deemed it necessary for someone’s health. Florida is one of the worst states. It’s rife with Medicare fraud. So, it’s no wonder Covid cases are inflated.

No “Trains, Planes or Automobiles” permitted to enter Florida! Yeah, right! Don’t think so...

[–] Otter (24464) 4 years ago

I don't know anything about how one blockades a coast, apart from some reading about the Napoleonic wars. So I'm not going to address that.

And BTW I am the OP, I posted the raw-ish data from Florida, and you're still welcome to see what you can make of it.

Look, I don't have time to discuss the intricasies of the modern American medical insurance industry, it's a giant clusterfuck where the trend is to stick the patients with more and more money out of their own pockets every year, and to stick healthcare providers with giving more and more services that are never paid for.

I have to go, I will just say, I'm aware of the difference between an internet rumor, a verified news story that probably has some fact in it, and an actual fact. I am not convinced that you are.

[–] kspkap (13033) 4 years ago

I’m well aware the OP is yours. And, you’re the one who wrote we needed to “set up blockades on the oceans”! 🤔

I don’t wish to discuss the “intricacies of the modern American medical insurance industry“ either. I don’t recall inquiring you to do so.

You just had to put that jab in there, didn’t you. I don’t use internet rumors as news. I also am suspect of postings. I attempt to verify news reports from different objective sources. I witnessed the physician speaking about being forced to make a diagnosis of Covid 19...when it was a motorcycle accidental death!