I wonder what Roddenberry would say. I always assumed they had evolved from saying swear words, especially higher members of Starfleet.
I'm not complaining, mind you. It's just strange.
Super cool thing to say, all the popular thugs are into it.
shareYeah, it was odd. But we can assume it's CBS trying to be more realistic about things. Even in the future, mofos cuss. I wanna hear Picard sling around a few expletives. That'd be great.
shareWell, the thing is, people think "Hey, we're on a channel people have to pay for! We don't have to be family-friendly anymore and hold back, yay!" I find it very insulting, because most "Star Trek" shows have been [mostly] family friendly...until Shitscovery came out. It seems people who make tv shows on paid channels don't care about common decency in character dialogue these days.
In the case of the Admiral, she was doing it during a private conversation with Picard, and I suspect that many Admirals talked that way in private in Starfleet, we just never heard them on the shows because they were using their best manners.
It says something when in the Trekian 24th century anyone on Earth should feel especially discomfited that they need to resort to insults and guttural language. Life should be easier, people should feel they can step back from pressures, media should refrain from expedient reporting and interviews, etc. Empathy should be a cultural norm and psychological awareness commonplace. Yes, there can be conflict but life is not that hard.
Swearing is a product of hard living and extreme stress.
I think that particular Admiral was also bitterly jealous of Picard, considering all the major things he's done in his career compared to her. I doubt she did anything in her career that was noteworthy beyond doing enough paperwork to climb the ranks of Starfleet and kissing enough behinds to get where she was, whereas Picard saved the galaxy multiple times, and made decisions that altered the very landscape of the Federation. Small wonder she took out her jealousy on him. Most admirals would have bent over backwards to help Picard, if they were admirals that knew him personally and admired him. This bitch, however, obviously had personal issues with him, and sadly, she was probably one of the top shitheads with the authority and resources to help him, and yet in her own petty way, she told him to stick it.
It's interesting that they ignored all of Picard's accomplishments that he'd done over a period of 7 years, and yet are treating him like a pariah for this one time he "screwed up" with the Romulans. I also find it disturbing that everyone completely ignored how unfair that bitchy reporter was with him, and only focused on his reaction to her.
My brother suggested that various factions had seen Picard as a threat, and set it up so that he would want to leave Starfleet and live as a "hermit" in France, and made the reporter ask such inflammatory questions so he'd react in a way that made him look mentally unstable. Sounds pretty insidious if you ask me.
Picard was pretty harsh in the media interview, so if you were a Starfleet loyalist beyond duty-bound loyalty you might be very much offended by his comments. But he didn't deserve the slapdown that he received (we know his intentions are pure). The jealousy bit is interesting to think about too and I guess it would reflect a general culture of merit and hero worship in a military establishment and being able to "measure up" against those high standards or as you say be mediocre.
Yeah, having Picard sidelined seemed to benefit some people. The Romulans in particular want to stop inquiries into their activities (with Borg technology) it seems.
I have noticed a lot of people are uttering the F-word these days, both in society and on tv, and it kinda seems more of a commentary on how upset and frustrated people are in today's society, rather than the Federation. The fact that they project it on a society that is supposed to be happy and Utopian shows just how out-of-touch the producers are with the original premise of "Star Trek," as having an optimistic future.
shareYeah, indeed.
shareHaving these people shout obscenities in Star Trek is simply lazy and cheap writing because they're not capable of writing dialog well enough. It's already been established in "Voyage Home" that using that vernacular went out of style long ago.
shareNever let posturing 21st century writers attempt to produce material set in the Trekian 24th century. :P
shareThey're young and know everything, right? I'm astounded at how childish and uncreative script-writers have become in show biz these days. You'd think they had a bunch of kids and teenagers writing these shows instead of people in the 20-50 range.
shareYeah, with rapid-editing and sulky angry characters into the mix as well.
shareIt's god damn mother fucking cock sucking embarrassing is what it is.
I try not to swear on this site but I felt this thread deserved it.
I remember reading or viewing a interview with one of the writers of the original series/next generation.
That person (forgot the name sorry). States that the 'trick' in writing for G. Roddenberry's Star Trek was that the characters did not have any of the darker sides of human nature (ie greed, jealousy,pride,lust, ambition, blame,etc..). Although Kirk could be quite the horn dog đŸ˜‰, his only true love was for the Enterprise.
Once you get the knack for that, the writer explained, the job of writing scripts for the show became easier.
Once Roddenberry died, this aspect of writing scripts for Star Trek was thrown out the window.
I think that the common complaint that 'It doesn't FEEL like Star Trek' is in part because this.
Roddenberry's view had some logic: the Enterprise was the jewel of the fleet, and the crew were the best among the best.
Roddenberry was part of a very meritocratic culture, Ancient US, and concept of discriminating people according to their merits and qualities was widely accepted in that culture.
Of course, modern world don't share the points of views of these ancient cultures and has moved on from meritocratic values, so having a selected crew which is not greedy or lusty or toxic could seem naive. But in the mind of Roddenberry, the Federation was the ideal representation of Ancient US, and it fitted inside its cultural values.
I like to think that humanity has evolved above using petty swear words and foul language by the time of Captain Picard’s voyages. Currency has disappeared in the Federation, why not swearing?
shareIt had, until we got Star Trek shows written by childish morons who like to cuss in every sentence and did not show any respect towards the source material. Just because it's on a paid channel, doesn't mean they have to let go of all the restraints that made the shows family friendly.
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