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The Batman Will Regret Not Using Joaquin Phoenix's Joker


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The Batman had the ideal opportunity to crossover with Joker, and see Robert Pattinson's Bruce Wayne meet Joaquin Pheonix's Joker, but it wastes it.

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I think it would have been more interesting to use Phoenix's joker. Sure, it would be harder to mesh the two films together but in that process something original might be produced.

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Seems totally ridiculous that they didn't do it.

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and the same Thomas Wayne, as well

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I think they were better off making this completely separate from that film. One of the big problems would be that in order to make it work, Joker would have to be in his 60s since the Bruce Wayne in The Batman is a good 20 years older than Bruce Wayne was in Joker. I feel like they're better off keeping their options with the character open for whatever they decide to do (if anything) with the character in future installments.

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not necessarily, they never said how old Batman was

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Joker was an ok film on its own, but a terrible origin story for the Joker. I'm glad it wasn't used.

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I completely agree. How could being a low life mama's boy, not too smart, failed comedian be the roots of the genius criminal master mind he's supposed to be? The movie ends with him being nothing more than a symbol. Didn't make sense what so ever the way they made it.

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Agreed and I think that film was way over hyped and quite terrible.

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The timelines wouldn't match up properly. This was set in 1981. Joker would a senior citizen by the time he met up with Pattinson's Bruce Wayne.

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Yeah, I agree. It really is a shame. The two worlds would fit so perfectly together.

People tend to complain about the timeline not matching up but, in my opinion, I doubt people would actually care all that much when it came down to it. I believe that's one suspension of disbelief that most would happily take part in if it meant they could watch these two worlds collide.

Also, as far as the timeline goes, I've always kind of looked at Gotham as a bit of a mishmash of time periods anyway, where the actual date itself was somewhat irrelevant to the story. Instead, it seems to be more a matter of creative stylization for the story. In the animated series and the Burton films, for example, I believe it was technically taking place in the modern era, but the style felt like something from the 1940s (with the blimps and everyone wearing suits and whatnot). All of this aided in the noir-esque depiction of Batman but it never really made a lot of sense as far as reality goes. And I kind of enjoyed that. Because, while the anachronisms weren't realistic, the style they added made them worth it.

If they tossed the Phoenix Joker, in full makeup, in this new world and never made mention of his age or how long ago the events of the Joker movie occurred, I probably wouldn't think all that much about it. The Joker is a bit of an enigma anyway. Not to mention, it's never even made completely clear what all was in Fleck's imagination and what wasn't in the Joker movie.

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