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The Dangers to Leo of the "Great Escape" Scene (SPOILERS)


There's that great scene in OATIH in which Rick Dalton(Leo DiCaprio) talks to James Stacy(Timothy Olyphant) about how he was "kinda sorta" under consideration for the Steve McQueen role in "The Great Escape." Rick is honest and forceful in saying he doesn't think he was ever REALLY under consideration(he didn't audition, he wasn't asked) but that he thinks he was "on the short list for the role."

Then comes the great part: we are shown a few moments from a scene in the 1963 movie in which McQueen is talking to his Nazi POW camp bosses -- and McQueen has been removed(via CGI) and replaced with...Leo as Rick Dalton(via CGI.)

Its pretty cool...Leo DiCaprio acting opposite actors IN 1963.

But here is the "danger to Leo": Leo is relatively good in this "Great Escape" scene, and even somewhat cool...but he's not "Steve McQueen cool."

We can say: "well, Leo is playing a not great actor, Rick Dalton, trying to fill McQueen's shoes, so he can AFFORD to be less cool than McQueen.

Still, the question is begged: "Is Leo DiCaprio in The Great Escape as cool as Steve McQueen in The Great Escape?"

It doesn't look like it.

But, truth be told, Leo created his star career following a different path -- in a different era -- than McQueen.

They wouldn't make The Great Escape today...

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I'm still confused by that scene. My take was that he was lying, he actually did get an audition - and that is what we were seeing. But to tell the truth I have no idea, was it a day dream, or just an alternate reality snippet just for kicks.

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or just an alternate reality snippet just for kicks.

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I have no "conclusive" answer(QT wouldn't want one, anyway, I don't think), but I don't think it is meant to be an audition. That is real footage from the movie as filmed, in Germany, with Steve McQueen and some German actors of 1963. We are perhaps seeing Rick Dalton imaging what would have happened if he HAD gotten the role, and the stardom that it brought to Steve McQueen, who had also played a TV bounty hunter on the real show "Wanted Dead or Alive."

In reality, director John Sturges built the cast of "The Great Escape" with three stars who had been among his leads in "The Magnificent Seven" in 1960: Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson and James Coburn. I think McQueen was always Sturges first choice for Great Escape. McQueen noted to friends that The Mangificent Seven under Sturges had really been his only movie success thus far, so he took "Escape." However, when McQueen started throwing temper tantrums on the Escape set(he felt like he wasn't the true star; James Garner was)....Sturges threatened to fire McQueen and NOT replace him: he would simply merge his character INTO the James Garner character. As it turned out, James Garner(along with James Coburn) convinced McQueen to calm down and continue in the role.

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I never heard that about McQueen throwing tantrums on the set of The Great Escape, but I wouldn’t be surprised. As cool as this dude was, he really seemed to have an ego and clashed with a lot of people if he wasn’t “the man” in his movies. He didn’t seem to do well with other big names in the movies.

I did know he clashed with Paul Newman over top billing in The Towering Inferno, and if you see the opening credits for that film, they put both actors’ names on the screen at the same time, and they Put McQueen’s name first on the screen, but they put Newman’s name higher on the screen. So McQueen’s name was low and to the left, and Paul Newman’s name was high and to the right. Haha.

People apparently really took top billing seriously back in the day.

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I never heard that about McQueen throwing tantrums on the set of The Great Escape, but I wouldn’t be surprised. As cool as this dude was, he really seemed to have an ego and clashed with a lot of people if he wasn’t “the man” in his movies. He didn’t seem to do well with other big names in the movies.

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The more I think about it, the more it seems that The Great Escape is where McQueen was the most combative; in addition to his concerns about the Garner character, McQueen felt that his character didn't get enough to do. His famous motorcycle jump(performed by another guy) was added to deal with that.

McQueen is pretty much my favorite star of the sixties/early seventies, and I know he has some fans around here who might protest, but word is that due to very troubled childhood and youth, with pretty much no parenting, he was very moody and paranoid as a star. One insider on the Great Escape said, "McQueen was the male Marilyn Monroe" with regard to emotional instability mixed with great stardom. After he hit big bucks with The Towering Inferno in 1974, he pretty much took the rest of the 70's off and became a "recluse in Malibu," but word is that one thing he did there was to raise his two kids(with stepmother Ali MacGraw) to give them the parenting he never had.(And oh, he did ONE movie...the very serious prestige drama Enemy of the People, which nobody hardly saw.)

So sad: McQueen takes most of the 70's off, but comes back in 1980 with two back to back "smallish movies": Tom Horn(a Western) and The Hunter(modern day bounty hunter). They weren't big hits, but "McQueen was back" and-- he died at the end of the same year. He'd been gone so long, and ...we lost him. But his kids had him in his last decade.



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I did know he clashed with Paul Newman over top billing in The Towering Inferno, and if you see the opening credits for that film, they put both actors’ names on the screen at the same time, and they Put McQueen’s name first on the screen, but they put Newman’s name higher on the screen. So McQueen’s name was low and to the left, and Paul Newman’s name was high and to the right. Haha.

People apparently really took top billing seriously back in the day.

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Some of them did. In fact, Steve McQueen was almost the Sundance Kid to Paul Newman's Butch in THAT famous movie....but....Newman was attached to the movie first and had top billing. McQueen said he would do the movie if Newman gave McQueen first billing. Newman(to his agent) said "I was here first...NO." And Robert Redford became a star.

So they solved the billing problem with The Towering Inferno -- McQueen left and lower, Newman right and higher(I still think that gives McQueen FIRST billing.) But I also think this: maybe Newman and/or McQueen were nervous about sharing the screen all the time in Butch Cassidy, being "paired." In The Towering Inferno, the men only share about three scenes; the rest of the time they are kept apart and talking to each other on the phone. This rather allowed them to star in two movies at the same time, one for each star.

This, too about The Towering Inferno billing: there are actually FOUR stars over the title, organized carefully -- McQueen and Newman(like we said); then William Holden(a major star of the 50s) a bit lower than McQueen AND Newman, then Faye Dunaway(THE female star of the 70's other than Streisand; she was in everything) lower than Holden. You look at the billing and its like a slow moving collapse-avalanche!

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By the way, trouble with billing goes back earlier than Butch Cassidy: Humphrey Bogart and Spencer Tracy were to star together in "The Desperate Hours"(1955) with Bogart as the escaped convict who takes over Tracy's suburban home in a home invasion.

Bogart and Tracy could never agree on who got top billing and the Newman/McQueen version wasn't thought about. Tracy dropped out; Fredric March took the role and second billing.

Which reminds me: Spencer Tracy was asked why he never did "ladies first" and gave Kate Hepburn top billing their movies: "This is a movie, chowderhead," Tracy replied, "not a lifeboat."

And in 1967, top star Sidney Poitier was willing to take second billing to Tracy in "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner," but NOT third after Kate Hepburn. She got the third billing.

Ya see...billing IS important.

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That was my interpretation. He was playing it off as though he didn't get the audition, while in reality, he did.

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I thought the CGI was just a little off. Leo's head looked too big in that scene, leading to an "uncanny valley" effect.

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I thought the CGI was just a little off. Leo's head looked too big in that scene.

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Yes, I've watched that scene a few times now(perhaps unfair to the effect) and you can see how his head is out of proportion and sort of "floating" on the body. Its rather the same effect as the "de-aging" of DeNiro early on in The Irishman, as if DeNiro has a floating effects head of his younger self on his body.

But, this scene is still fun....and you can picture McQueen in it, too.

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I just watched that scene again, and I'm pretty certain that they did not CGI his head onto McQueen's body. They filmed DiCaprio and CGI'ed all of him into the scene. Notice that he's dressed in the same outfit as McQueen, but you can tell the clothing are a bit different. That's definitely DiCaprio from head to toe. The overall CGI may not look good to you, though it looks fine to me, but there is certainly no "head to big" or "floating head" effect there.

Compare them side by side here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLq9mpuHJGw

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Compare them side by side here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLq9mpuHJGw

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That's great that somebody put them side by side. Thank you.

OK, I see it. It looks like Leo was inserted "full form" into the shot. I guess its just that he has a bigger head than McQueen.

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Au contraire... I thought the effect looked more than fine myself; nothing about Leo’s head looked unnatural as far as I could tell. Leo was basically inserted into the Great Escape shot, and while you can argue that it wasn’t perfecto, I’m certain the sequence turned out the exact way QT intended to.

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NO DANGER TO LEO...WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS ATTEMPTING TO PULL THE SWORD FROM THE STONE...ONLY ONE MAN COULD,AND HE IS GONE NOW...NO ONE IS AS COOL AS STEVE MCQUEEN.EVER.PERIOD.

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I like DiCaprio. He's cool. But he's never been a cool actor type.
Yes, he's not as cool as McQueen.
Pitt 10 years ago, maybe. Tom Cruise 25 years ago.
Leo, never.

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Yes, DiCaprio is competent in "The Great Escape" scene, but it really shows how special McQueen was.

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