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Episode 3. Where did Nick Offerman got food and gas to run his generators for 20 years?


I missed that explanation. It was before solar panels were invented. Like new apocalypse shows just show how people use solar panels. Show starts in 2003. There werent everywhere back then.

Nick Offerman got gas from his town but it would not last for 20 years. Yet light was always on even during daytime. Which was just stupid waste. And they always had food despite we never saw them hunt outside the fence or growing that much own food. They would have to work on fields every day to grown potatoes, corn etc. Yet they always were sitting at home doing nothing.

That little heaven was nice looking but unrealistic.

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Well it was not before solar panels were invented but they were not used in common households often 20 years ago... but I agree we get no indication that he has access to any solar panels so we must assume it is the generator running the entire operation... I have no idea how much gas a generator needs to run his setup... but it does seem a bit odd it would last for 20 years...

In regards to the food... they only need to feed 2 people so it is not like they need that much food and Bill being a survivalist and owning all those hunting rifles I think we can conclude he does go hunting... and we see Frank surprise Bill with the strawberries and we also see Bill digging up a carrot so just because we don't see them doing much work in the garden... they have plenty of time to that and I think it is established that they do use time to grow their own fruit, berries and vegetables...

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it shows him butchering a deer, and eating rabbit. Sure they could be raised, but why not chickens if that's the case.

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Dude, you better educate yourself on when solar panels were invented 🤣 They have been used for power in cabins etc since at least the 1960's and were first invented about 100 years before that. As for food and everything else he migh need: he had a whole towns supply of it. Every shop and every home.

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Its doesnt matter when they were invented. Whats matter is when they become cheaper and affordable enough for regular people to put them on roofs of their homes. Thats when they suddenly started appearing in apocalypse shows. Before that apocalypse in movies meant characters never had electricity again.

Now during apocalypse characters find building with solar panels and have electricity. It was very noticeable in Walking Dead.

Do you actually know that food has expire date? 🤣 Like usually 2-5 years maximum. Food is not gonna stay good for 20 years. You can eat it of curse and then have food poisoning, diarrhea and die because there are no doctors.

And he was not the last man on earth to have whole towns for himself. There are millions of other survivors who scavenge shops for food. Its what Joel told Ellie when they were in a shot. That everything has been looted before.

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canned food doesn't spoil unless the cans weren't properly sterile, and then they swell. They might not taste as good though. Also, I've eaten dried military rations from Vietnam not that long ago when backpacking.

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Dude, you're dumber than i even first thought. A: solar panels were plenty affordable already in the early 80's and commonly used. I know, because im born in the mid 70's. The apocalypse in the series was set to be in 2013 when solar panels are very easily obtainable. To be honest i dont understand why he didnt seem to have any panels set up. B: what they cost doesnt matter after the apocalypse; they're free for grabs. C: canned foods, non perishables like rice, pasta, flour, grain etc have almost infinite shelf life if stored correctly. In the army we ate field rations that were a decade older than ourselves without any ill effect. D; he hunted animals and grew vegetables. E; he was in an evacuated zone where everyone else had been moved or killed by the army. So he had plenty of time to set this all up, and he was well armed and able to fight of scavengers if and when they would come. You seem like a clueless boy with little to no real life experience.

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You didnt payed much attention to what you were watching, was you? They specifically say in tv show that outbreak happened in 2003. Then 20 years passed and its 2023 in tv show timeline.

Here is wikipedia page for the dummies like you. Educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_Us_(TV_series)

In 2003, a mass fungal infection of Cordyceps sparks a global pandemic.


To be honest i dont understand why he didnt seem to have any panels set up.


I told you why by you werent listening. In year 2003 where show is set - solar panels was not as common as they are now. People didnt install them on roof every other mile. Some organizations might have them but regular people were not using them as much. Thats why apocalypse shows of that era didnt have them.

Here is another article for you.


A brief history of solar energy
https://www.solarunitedneighbors.org/news/brief-history-solar-energy-2/

Despite the great advances made in solar technology, it was not commercially viable yet due to its high price. As hard as it may be to believe, the initial push to lower the cost of solar came from oil companies. They recognized the future financial difficulty of sustaining energy production with oil. So, they started to invest in solar. Backed by Exxon, Dr. Elliott Berman designed a much less expensive solar cell. He brought the cost per watt down by 80%.

Since 2008, solar power has become increasingly popular as a renewable form of energy, as its price became affordable to a much wider market.


They existed but were to expensive for common people to use them. Thats why they are not on this show as its set in 2003. If you would pay attention while watching - you would now that. They mentioned date few times.

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Funny. When i read this wikipedia article it clearly states that the outbreak happens in 2013: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_Us -and why would a game released in 2013 have the outbreak happen in 2003, when everone knows that no such outbreak happened then? But that's besides the point as solar panels have been widely acessible for the public to the point that pretty much every off-grid cabin had them by the mid 80's here in Norway. Are you saying that the US is such an ass backwards country that this wasnt the case there by 2003? Somehow i find that very hard to believe. And by the way: first you stated that solar panels werent even invented by 2003, then you start franticly back-pedaling by saying "they werent commonly available/affordable back then" which isnt even remotely true either. Solar panels were very available and quite affordable back then, which i have mentioned several times, but somehow it doesnt sink into your head.

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If you are too stupid I can repeat to you whats written in the article

Since 2008, solar power has become increasingly popular as a renewable form of energy, as its price became affordable to a much wider market.

How much did solar panels cost in 1980?
According to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL), between 1980 and 2010, the cost of solar panels decreased from $10/W to around $2/W, a decline of 80 percent over 30 years. This pace of price decreases has slowed in recent years; however, the cost of solar panels dropped an additional 70 percent from 2015 through 2020, from about $0.7/W to $0.2/W.


Thats why there wasnt that many of them as there are now. Electricity from them was too expensive. When its become cheaper - people started using them more. Its doesnt matter if they were in off-grid cabins by the mid 80's in Norway. TV show is not based in Norway and its not in remote cabins in mountains. Its in the cities and suburbs around them. And in 2003 there wasnt a solar panel on every other house. Thats why you dont see them in this tv show. How can you be so stupid not to understand it?

Just look at every movie shot in 90-th and early 00-th . Do you see solar panels on every other roof?

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You clearly enjoy making an idiot of yourself. If you insist that solar panels werent not only affordable but actually abundant in 2003, you are just plain wrong. Simple as that. As i said; it was very common already in the 80's. I was alive then, so i know. Sure: they were more expensive pr.watt than now, and the common size for a panel for a cabin was in the area of 20-50W. Not several hundred of watts like today. They were used for giving electricity for a couple of lamps and a radio. Not much more. If this show took place in the 60's or 70's i could see how he wouldnt have been able to source some solar panels in a rural area. But in 2003? No way. They would be plentiful. On the other hand he seemed to have a towns worth of fuel for his generator.

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Sure Jen

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he was in an evacuated zone where everyone else had been moved or killed by the army. So he had plenty of time to set this all up, and he was well armed and able to fight of scavengers if and when they would come. You seem like a clueless boy with little to no real life experience.


You are so naive to think that army, in a moment of fast spreading apocalypse, would be able to evacuate all people form every part of a country and move them to quarantine zone. Thats ridiculous as there would be no place for them all and no time for getting all the people.

This is very big plot hole in a tv show. In reality millions of people would be left to care for themselves, millions would refuse to enter military track and would just stay home or hide. Then would come out and start searching for food. There is no way this guy, no matter what kind of experience survivalist he is - would be ably to stand up to gangs of armed people that would come frequently to his fence. They would crash him and take over his place. No only people but hordes of infected too. That fence was so weak even with electricity that infected would break it in a second.

It was the most unrealistic thing in this show. Thats what Joel told him - scavengers would come. They showed it perfectly in Walking Dead when Rick and company thought he would overtake Negans gang easily, they attacked outpost, killed like 30 of them. Only to discover that there are hundreds of them and Rick and co are outnumbered.

But they showed how one time he went full Rambo on few scavengers and killed them all then easily survived gun wound with no doctors around. And then pretended that no one ever came. That was unrealistic.

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You obviously didnt catch the part where the army massacred the people they couldnt take care of in other manners. Also: this was a remote little town in the middle of nowhere with a couple of hundred residents. So: not first in line to be sought out by scavengers. He's also far better equipped to handle the apocalypse than 99% of anyone else out there, and he's playing at homefield. The only 'plot'holes here (besides fungus-zombies) are the holes in your head.

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Dude do you know how many millions live in USA? Its 330 millions. Its not 200 people.

Even in half the population would get infected then no army could massacre 150 millions thats left. Its impossible. What they could actually shoot would be few hundreds, thousands maximum. All other would wounder about towns and search for food. Millions of them. First they would hide then come out and search for food and weapon.

This wasnt a remote little town in the middle of nowhere. This was a small town surrounded by other small towns. Like it is in real world.

Gosh you are so naive its actually funny. Like you only played video games and that is your source of knowing how apocalypse works.

Every city would be raided by scavengers. Lone souls or gangs. There is no way only that guy and one band came across that town. Specially when he has a fence, meaning someone lives there and has safety. People would come and come demanding to be let in. When he would refuse - they would take it by force.

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Its not me thats beeing naive. Its you thats beeing plain dumb. Relax moron, its a tv-show. Do you go on these delusional rant over every sci-fi show and film about things you deem to be "unrealistic" or "plot holes"?

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Wasn't that generator running on Natural gas? I'm assuming if that station was built to service a town of hundreds if not more, Bill could probably last a long time with only himself using it.

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Yeah, but 20 years?

And no maintenance required?

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He maintained them.

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Yeah, because you can find parts for everything that breaks down in 20 years ...

Maybe you want to say he manhandled them :D

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Yes. Under the minimal load the generator was running (1 house instead of the town it was rated to run) it would run a loooong time without breaking. (They're made to last a long time without breaking even under full load)And: you can be sure that the power plant where he got it had plenty of spare parts stored in case it broke. It's not like critical infrastructure like that orders spares on ebay when something breaks, leaving the town blacked out for a week or two until the mailman arrives. No: they have the spare parts needed for continous operation. With a running generator and a backup.

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Did you miss the plot points where Frank opened up trade? Bill was against it but Frank traded a gun for strawberry seeds. It's not unreasonable that they traded more stuff later despite Bill's initial hostility. Joel even mentions how there was fence rusting.

There's also ways to make gas relatively easily with just garden waste and poop. I think they are called bio digesters and are not that high tech.

That said, his lifestyle was questionable. He was running a tight ship on resource management and yet his house didn't seem adapted for low energy usage. It apppears he was living his previous lifestyle. There's homes which need little to no energy for heating and off the grid but those tend to have thick walls for insulation and thermal mass, also oriented to the south for winter solar gain etc.

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And although he might had been amazing and DIY still he needed a shitload of farming to grow the vegetables even if he was hunting for meat (btw, we didn't see too many wild animals surviving).

But what about maintenance and parts? That gas line, that generator are immortal? No maintenance required and they somehow never broke down in 20 years?

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Who said the generator never broke down or needed maintenance? It probably did. But power plants like where he got his generator have ample amounts of spare parts in order to get them back up and running again as soon as possible. Also: since its only supplying his house instead of a whole town, it's running at a tiny fraction of its rated capacity. Which means far less fuel consumption and far less tear and wear. In those conditions it can run for year after year without other maintenance than an oil change and refuelling now and then. As for growing crops: no they dont waste time showing each and every kind of food he grows. Why would they? And no: growing some potatoes, tomatoes and carrots is not some impossible task as you try to make it seem. This guy has got nothing but time, and he uses it wisely. And he's not afraid of hard work, because he's a boomer - not a tiktok-brain.

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Nope. You are just trying to justify bad writing.

"power plants like where he got his generator have ample amounts of spare parts" - sure, but not in a small town with a hundred people.

Also engine oil shelf life is 5 years, after that it starts to change it's properties, in 20 years it would fuck up the generator.

"As for growing crops: no they don't waste time showing each and every kind of food he grows." it's enough to show some. They didn't. Just one carrot and some strawberries.

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"Also engine oil shelf life is 5 years, after that it starts to change it's properties, in 20 years it would fuck up the generator".
No, it doesnt. It really doesnt, and it wont. At least not nearly to such an extent that you think. A heavy duty large displacement engine like this, running on low load and low rpm doesnt care too much if the oil is 20-30-40 years old. A formula 1 or supersportsbike engine have way higher quality demands when it comes to oil though. But even those will last way longer with old oil even of wrong viscosity than no oil at all. And yes of course they would have spare parts stored even if the population only were in the hundreds. Geez, where do you come up with this 💩? I'm an engine-mechanic with decades of experience. What are you?

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"At least not nearly to such an extent that you think. " to the extent that it will not be functional.

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Asom, face it: you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Really. If you want to point out something unrealistic in this series, why not start with the mushroom-zombie.

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You don't necessarily need to do a shitload of farming to grow food. There's plenty of stuff that is relatively low maintenance.

I put potatoes in the garden as a kid, I never looked after them. We harvested them from then and there was no getting rid of them until we paved the area over. The ones in out front garden came up for decades. We just left it and it was good ground cover.

There's other low maintenance crops like jerusalem artichokes. There's perennial vegetables that you just harvest and need minimal maintenance. Fruit trees need some periodic care for optimal production.

Some crops we are accustomed to may need a bunch of maintenance. He could have grown stuff hydroponically under cover. That doesn't need that much work.

There's many videos on youtube about low maintenance farming. There's people that guerilla farm, throw the seeds or plant stuff in public land and just go back now and again to maintain and harvest.

They don't necessarily show every thing. Old movies sometimes did that and it gets dull fast. I remember watching a zombie movie and there was 10 minutes of them shopping in a store. There was tense music and everything but nothing happened and it was a complete waste of time if they wanted to just let us know this is how they obtain food.

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They don't have to show EVERYTHING. A 10 seconds scene with them in some crops would had been enough. Or just a quick add to their conversation at the table during lunch.

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They did the scene growing strawberries.

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A gas PLANT will have enough for two people FOREVER.
And if you've ever done gardening you'd know that it's not hard to grow food for two people. Won't take up much time, either. (2 hours a day)

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Gardening is actually hard. And you have to constantly work on fields. Then you have to storage somewhere what you have grown. And in tv shows they usually show how people grow tomatoes or cucumbers. Which is hilarious because you cant eat those for months. They are ready for few weeks in summer then they stop growing and you have to wait another 10 months for fresh tomatoes to grow again. And those you cut - they wont stay fresh more then 2 weeks. You have to eat them or they will rot.

What you need is to grow is potatoes and then you need to know how to storage them in cold place. You have to grow corn, cereals in general. For that you need to know how to farm. Shows never show that, They just show how people grow tomatoes and carrots. Here we didnt see how those too were farming anything except Strawberry.

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You're forgetting that he has a lot of time on his hands. He's also a prepper. Well equipped, knowledgable, armed and prepared for this kind of situation. And all the farm equipment and seeds that he needs is free.

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Excuse me but a friend of mine's parents were farmers and they had a hobby vegetable garden on the side where they grew 50-75% of what they ate! (with several potato varieties). Granted they had a storage barn for those potatoes but a cellar will do. And they had plenty of time for that! And they did not even have a greenhouse, which would provide plenty of additional options.

Also, keeping livestock and chickens for personal use is a long standing tradition in many countries still. (Chickenfeed from bred maggots works like a charm)
As for storage, they had electricity so freezing, canning, drying, smoking will go a long way with stretching the harvest over winter. As for grains, foraging the countryside could yield one or two harvests of pre-collapse fields. Those could last years and years under a nitrogen
saturated atmosphere in a silo (nitrogen can be obtained and also produced fairly easily)

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"They are ready for few weeks in summer then they stop growing and you have to wait another 10 months for fresh tomatoes to grow again. And those you cut - they wont stay fresh more then 2 weeks. You have to eat them or they will rot."

I live in Scotland with a short growing season. My yard wasn't great so my tomatoes never ripened even by the end of summer. I took them inside and they'd keep growing. They would slow down in winter by I was getting fruit still ripening in those months.

Their climate doesn't look like they could grow year round but they could grow stuff inside and it would be reasonable given the resources that Bill had.

Tomatoes and cucumbers / squashes etc can also be preserved / canned / dried / pickled.

"What you need is to grow is potatoes and then you need to know how to storage them in cold place."

That's not hard. If the ground frosts then harvest them, then store them in a container with soil or sand covering them. Store those in a cool place like a garage. It's not hard. If the place doesn't freeze then you can just dig up batches periodically. This can be done for a bunch of root crops (but not all). They can be processed differently to make them last. Potatoes can be dried and powdered, carrots can be dehydrated.

For places with light frost or mild winters, some crops hold well in the ground with minimal or no protection. I still have some greens in the garden that survived this winter with no protection. It was colder this year and normally I have a much higher survival rate.

For someone more prepared or with the knowhow, build a root cellar.

You don't necessarily need to grow corn or cereals. There's stuff like root crops, legumes, stuff close to cereals and depending on the climate you can grow bananas, taros, breadfruit (probably not possible in the climate shown in the episode).

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I grew up on a farm and we grew everything. To feed 3 people it took about an acre garden and 3 sides of beef for the year. Plus, we had to grow food for the animals over winter. It was quite a bit of work, a couple hours every day for sure, plus long days in the spring and at harvest. We had tractors, plows, harrows, harvesters, wagons, elevator, etc., or it would have been grueling.

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If humans disappeared, wild game would be abundant and having a whole town, he must have been have had food plots everywhere. Survivalists are strange people who stockpile drys goods/dehydrated food/MRE's, which can last indefinitely. Also, they seemed to set up a trading agreement with Tess. Not at all impossible, but they didn't go into detail about all of this because thats not what the episode was about.

As for the gas, that shit will run indefinitely. I'll assume he had the plant running on minimal capacity and only needed a trickle of fuel for his needs.

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humans being around actually increases a lot of game population because of fields of crops. We have a deer overpopulation because of this. Most of what you said is spot on though.

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True. I'm just thinking of the population in terms of human intervention, whether that be hunting or car impacts. Looking it up, one million deer are hit by cars each year.

To be fair though, without humans, would predators like wolves and mountain lions move back into their natural habitat and keep a check on the deer and other animals? Also, escapes from zoos could totally screw up our natural eco system.

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Does it really matter? You have to assume he is a knowledgeable guy and rose to find a solution, whatever it was. They had about 40 minutes to show this guy's total life story with Frank ... why would they show him fixing a generator, hunting or dealing with the pain in the ass of farming? Nothing against your points, but they are just not really relevant to the story and the suspension of disbelief of us the viewers.

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